The state of American journalism

Discussion in 'World News, Current Events & Politics' started by Chary, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. Xzi

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    Every celebrity claims they'll be running at some point now. Doesn't mean it'll actually pan out. Though after a C-list TV celebrity is elected president, it does somewhat open up the can of worms.
     
  2. SG854

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    Here is an excellent video on Media and Human bias you should all watch.



    To summarize
    • Natural Human Bias - Limited world view from small environment you live in. Evolutionary assumptions to always assume the worse not as useful nowadays. People also tend to be over confident in the information they have, thinking they have the best information.
    • Outdated information - Teachers teach what they learn in school, but don't keep up to date with new information. What was true in the past isn't true because things change over the years.
    • News Bias - Over exaggerate events to get more views. Negative stories gets more attention than positive ones. Human evolution makes us pay more attention to the negative rather than the positive.
    Swed's score worse than the U.S. of Knowledge about the world.
    European media just as bad as U.S media. Lots of media around the world is pretty bad with bias.

    Good rule of thumb assumptions to prevent bias.
    • Most things improve
    • Most people are in the middle - (e.g. Gap between rich and poor is shortening. Most people are in the middle. And wage gap is improving.)
    • First Social, then Rich - (Social development comes first before improvement in money. Countries don't need to be very very rich in order to get the social development they need. Majority are in the middle, having education, electricity, and so. Of course doesn't apply to everyone, but its a more accurate generalization to assume things are in the middle and improving, then to assume they are getting worse.)
    • Danger of things are over exaggerated - Danger of things much less than media says.
    Many people really have little faith in our species, and ability to tackle issues properly. But data shows otherwise, and things are improving.
    And also have little faith in the intelligence of humans. Remember its not always peoples fault they are misinformed. Many factors can contribute to this. Best we can do is have a calm rational discussion without insulting the intelligence of others. Once you get to name calling people will shut you out.

    People are not as stupid as someone will make them out to be, and there could be reasons why they believe what they believe. Even if you think you give the best information, there might be something else contributing to why they wont easily change their minds. Its best to understand why to better tackle the debate than to insult the person.
     
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  3. Nightwish

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    I agree with all the rest, but this is retarded and contradicted by every serious analysis. [citation needed, but I can find a few] It isn't close to 2007 in the US, and it's much, much further away in euroland.

    I'd also like to point out that most people are too busy working too long and too worried about paying their bills to figure out what's true and what's not. And I could only hope to have anything similar to The Atlantic or the Washington Post around here, but that's not going to happen anytime soon, so no, you could have much less useful and more manipulative media that would fight social media (with it's many, huge faults) tooth and nail to control the socio-political narrative.
     
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  4. MaverickWellington

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    Celebrities shouldn't be president. It just leads to PR stunts over actual presidential behavior. It's why I don't support Oprah or Kanye either.
     
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    Yoooo is that the Swedish "Overpopulation/Peak Child" guy?
     
  6. Xzi

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    If you're genuine about that, I'm glad you're willing to admit Trump shouldn't be president. Celebrities don't understand governing or the legislative process as they need to for such a position.
     
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  7. MaverickWellington

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    Have you made a single post in this thread that wasn't crying about Trump
     
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    I previously thought it'd be a decent thing, since he's a great guy and all, but I've looked at some talking points and now I'd definitely rather have someone with a provable political track record and deep knowledge on government affairs (rather than having to learn stuff on the job)
     
  9. Xzi

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    Yeah, that one wasn't even crying about Trump, it was only pointing out that most would consider him a "celebrity."
     
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    I'd hope so considering he had a show titled "The Celebrity Apprentice"
     
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    This is what’s inflammatory in your part. While the rest was debate, the response could do better without the flaming. The only one I see crying is you, over something that’s unrelated to the thread topic. It’s constructive criticism my dude, no need for animosity. At least towards me.
     
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    Might just be my interpretation, but I thought he was just being lighthearted about the fact that the topic's drifted so far
     
  13. Xzi

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    My point was: why try to make that argument when I was clearly staying on-topic? Yes, I mentioned Trump, that doesn't mean you should gloss over every other word in my post. Goes for a lot of other members here too. When it comes to media and the war on media, it's kind of impossible to discuss thoroughly without mentioning him and Fox News.
     
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    I'd think that the only reason Trump made it past canidancy was because there was a dozen or so canidates for the Republicans all vying to be chosen, leading to a lot of white noise where the only think you remembered was Trump's shenanigans. It's possible that next election there will be even more on both sides, leading to the person being voted for being the one that manages to stand out as the most horrible of the lot.
     
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    I don't see the Dems as having more than 3-4 good options, but it probably will be a shitshow free-for-all on the Republican side again to try and usurp Trump. Assuming he's still in office for the 2020 election.
     
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    Yes, I was going to make that same point. People are too busy. And also it takes time to see both sides of the argument, and heavy research which people don't have the time for. Which is why its not necessarily their fault for not knowing.

    The wage thing what I meant is that its shifting and less people are earning less than a dollar a day. This doesn't mean there aren't any that don't earn a dollar a day, or that their isn't any earnings gap, but it is improving, moving more towards the middle on the graph when you take into account the world population.

    I have no idea. I barley found about this guy today. I know he's from Sweden. I would have to check his overpopulation video.
     
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    If it is the same guy, you'll like it. He's very engaging
     
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    Oh you know what. Are you talking about the gumball video?
    I just saw that video today, which lead to the video I linked.
    Someone on temp linked that video. And ya I really like that video.
    I love it when they use visual representations, it gives a clearer image on the situation.
     
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    One thing that annoys me the most is when CNN, or Fox (especially Fox) reports on something outside of the country - they create things about people and said country that doesn't even exist or isn't really what's true.
     
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