1. Chrisssj2

    Chrisssj2 GBAtemp Addict
    Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2008
    Messages:
    2,011
    Country:
    Netherlands
    You are oversimplifying I never said that. Im not decided on that. I could perhaps accept some degree of homosexuality is normal. Question is if it is natural, up to which % of the population would it be normal. If you have 50% of man or more being gay.. I would not say that is normal for an exaggerated example.

    But personally for me it does't feel natural because im heterosexual.
    Im just throwing things out here.
    You could argue perhaps, that a man = yang energy, a rock and a rock just don't go together.. energy wise, but water and water do seem to be a better match?
    You can also argue that love is formless and it doesn't matter what gender you are. Which I def see alot in.
    Some people may indeed be born in different bodies. But some may also be mind controlled, confused etc.
    It would be hard to say for any outside party to say, what is what.
    So there is something to be said for some of the things in LBTQ thingy.

    BUT that is not my point. The main takeaway is that there are cultural editors via a satanic cult in this world who want to destroy basic man/female family and child values.This has been their plan for a looong time. In order to appease their sick philosophy and transgender "god" And thats what they are using this for. This movement probably was hijacked at some point or setup to fulfill this function, in order to spread their rainbow luciferian A.I agenda in order to fk with our humanity and normalize transgenderism blur the lines of what it is of being a man of female. and making us cyborgs and or upload our conciousness into "singularity"
     
  2. emigre

    emigre i am a free i am not man a number
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    Messages:
    8,309
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    What the actually fuck have I just read?
     
  3. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...
    Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2009
    Messages:
    26,139
    Country:
    Poland
    This is a ridiculous argument. Same-sex attraction exists in nature, therefore it is natural. Gays and lesbians don't pop out of a Homofactory, they just exist. There's an argument to be made that they're an exception from the norm, statistically speaking, but not that they're "unnatural", that's silly and obviously untrue. Not that it would matter anyway since whether something is natural or not does not denote whether it's good or bad - the flu is natural, but you don't want it. This is textbook naturalistic fallacy.
     
    Last edited by Foxi4, Jun 28, 2020
  4. Silent_Gunner

    Silent_Gunner Lost Wanderer Who Sees No Evil
    Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,428
    Country:
    United States
    Here's my view on the matter:

    I would say, ever since 2014 and a certain pair of you-know-whos became the poster children for video game SJW and games journalism to people online, that it is weird that devs, publishers, and other associated businesses are trying to pander harder and harder to groups of people who, if you are to go by statistics, don't exactly make up a majority, let alone the audience that has the money to buy their games.

    I think that, when an artist makes a work, they should be allowed to express what they want, however they see fit. No money involved, no arbitrary "quotas" just to fulfill a checklist of things the marketing department want in a product to use as material to sell to people to appear more "caring" to people who don't see past the glitz and glamour of the product they're trying to sell. There's a reason why I don't remember the backlash against "leftist values in games" in the mainstream years ago, and its probably more complicated than what I'm going to describe, but I want to keep this discussion strictly about games and not necessarily bring up the underlying culture behind Internet discourse before 2014: the characters who weren't of a heterosexual persuasion, let alone had any interest in sex, who were in games before 2014 felt like they were put in there by the artists because the artists wanted to, as opposed to shallow, "we're totally progressive" like what happened with the fiasco with the ending of The Rise of Skywalker (and no, it's just a background detail for those who have spared themselves the disappointment of watching it, not a major plot point).

    People can tell when you're trying to sell them something, when an action taken isn't necessarily driven by passion as much as it is by a desire to pander for more brownie points.

    In this respect, I'd say I agree: artists (which I'm using as a catch all term to refer to musicians, writers, concept artists) shouldn't have to compromise or change their vision just to meet some arbitrary thing that doesn't mean anything in the long run.

    This isn't just about identity politics, either; part of the reason Sonic '06 went and "baptized" the hedgehog's reputation in shit was that Sega wanted the game to come out on Sonic's 15th anniversary, something that only Chris Chan would care about!

    But as for mind control and other Alex Jones-esque craziness? Look, clearly, there's people who share your views like Steven Anderson and both variants of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church that can maintain their worldview, ideology, and lifestyle and still live and find employment nowadays, even in this current climate of "if-your-wife-or-relative-posts-something-"offensive"-to-the-Twatter-mob-you-will-get-cancelled." I may not agree with them, but I would never advocate censoring someone I disagree with myself. Unfortunately, no one seems to care for the Constitution and what it does compared to every other government on this planet right now.

    I fear a 1984-style government more than I do some old pastor who I won't have to listen to once I move out of my parents' house in hopefully a year from now!

    — Posts automatically merged - Please don't double post! —

    Again, I quote:



    As for this gem, though:

    Just...this:

     
    MicmasH_W and TobiasAmaranth like this.
  5. Chrisssj2

    Chrisssj2 GBAtemp Addict
    Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2008
    Messages:
    2,011
    Country:
    Netherlands
    It is not so simple, just because it exists in nature doesn't mean it is natural perse. There are tons of things that exist that are not natural, yet exist. Animal kingdom mirrors human nature. We kill each other, so they kill each other. So in that sense there might be overlap in the animal kingdom because human and animal conciousness is connected.
    Statistically speaking there is indeed perhaps an argument that up to a % gayness is natural. But if lets say it is too much in the whole worldwide population. (whatever that % would be) I don't think that would be. As long as basic family values exist, and the normal man and female stays in tact overwhelming largely I probably don't see a problem with it. But like I said I know WHY this is in the game. Which is much more important then this one single instance of these "displayed charachters".
     
    nashismo likes this.
  6. Silent_Gunner

    Silent_Gunner Lost Wanderer Who Sees No Evil
    Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,428
    Country:
    United States


    XD

    @Chrisssj2 Dude, I hope you realize by liking this that you don't exactly have any self awareness... :rofl:
     
    Last edited by Silent_Gunner, Jun 28, 2020
  7. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...
    Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2009
    Messages:
    26,139
    Country:
    Poland
    Reduce your argument to its base form, that's how you check if it's reasonable or dumb. Your premise is that if it's advertised to you long enough, you'll switch from liking women to chasing penises. That speaks volumes about how impressionable you think you are. You should re-evaluate your stance because it's not based in reality. An unreasonable prejudice against gay people does not make you a better conservative, it makes you a fool, and by extension it represents people who do find family values important very poorly.
     
  8. Chrisssj2

    Chrisssj2 GBAtemp Addict
    Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2008
    Messages:
    2,011
    Country:
    Netherlands
    You can think it is crazy, that is your right. And in a sense it is! But regardless that is what is going on what many people fail to see. It is not just LBGTQ though. It is also feminism and many other "movements" and thought schools, that have been largely co-opted, infiltrated, distorted and so on. I have never heard of these individuals you mention. or this church. This cultural editing goes WAY beyond just this LBGTQ topic. You are right 1984 style government is what you should be way off, that might even be a soft version if some individuals get their way.

    Luckily it is not in many games though! So in that sense. They can have their one game. But if it happens alot more frequently in big games I'd be pissed. It is not attractive to me, and it is about influencing minds, thats why. Normalizing shit that shouldn't be normalized. Everyone is ofc free to make their own game and buy it ofcourse. But the program is with larger companies.. and funding etc..Imagine every other big triple a games having main charachters like this.... horror!

    The constitution is something nice that you have, but IMO the forefathers didn't take it all the way. So it is not a finished product. But it is better then alot of countries have. Eventhough this constitution is not always followed.

    — Posts automatically merged - Please don't double post! —

    Clearly you don't know how people are impressionable and understand the function of the sub conscious. If you bombard the mind enough with certain images words and idea's. The reaction changes. The impact lessens. It normalizes. This can be used against you. Look around in their world. Buying all this shit they see on TV. If you repeat the lie often enough people will buy it.
    Obviously not everyone will be sensitive to it, but it is about reaching a large crowd reaching ones who might or could be.
    And to ones who might not be, making it accepted as a "new normal'.
    Im not saying you necessarily start chasing penises. Though SOME might. Like I said it is mostly about normalizing things that shouldn't be normalized on a grand scale. Like it is something desire-able, blurring the lines.
    Fact is most people are heterosexual. Not that they can't connect with something that is different then yourself. But people more easily connect something that is more like themselves. This formula can be found everywhere. Though something different ain't bad perse, but like I said agenda..
    Why do you think this game has a pretty big lash out from fans.
     
  9. phil87

    phil87 Member
    Newcomer

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2020
    Messages:
    28
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    hopefully other games follow the same path seen as it was the fastest selling ps4 exclusives the minority of opinions from yourself and others just dont seem matter which i could imagine to be frustrating :rofl2::rofl2:
     
    sawao_yama likes this.
  10. HylianBran

    HylianBran For your Phantomile...
    Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2019
    Messages:
    156
    Country:
    United States
    Um, how is it not okay? The game has less than a 5-point user score on Metacritic
     
  11. phil87

    phil87 Member
    Newcomer

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2020
    Messages:
    28
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    from a person who actually completed it last night i can say its a masterpiece, all these scores are from haters, quick google proves that
     
    sawao_yama, afeufeufeu and shaunj66 like this.
  12. Silent_Gunner

    Silent_Gunner Lost Wanderer Who Sees No Evil
    Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,428
    Country:
    United States
    I'd say that the game receiving heavy promotion from Sony and most people not being the type to post on forums like these has more to do with those sales than any political agenda the game was trying to push.
     
  13. DarthDub

    DarthDub Amateur Hacker
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2016
    Messages:
    2,745
    Country:
    United States
    Can't wait for this game to be free on PS+ in a few years like the first game was.
     
  14. HylianBran

    HylianBran For your Phantomile...
    Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2019
    Messages:
    156
    Country:
    United States
    So you seriously think that EVERY SINGLE USER REVIEWER that gave a negative review hasn't actually finished the game? I've played most of the game, and I don't like it. I guess the 20% of the game I didn't play will completely redeem the entire experience.

    Quick edit: I haven't written a review yet, and I won't until I finish the game.
     
    Last edited by HylianBran, Jun 28, 2020
    AlexMCS likes this.
  15. subcon959

    subcon959 teh retro
    Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2008
    Messages:
    3,016
    Country:
    It's 2020 and there are still people somehow living in modern cities and yet stuck in stone age thinking. You know, it's no coincidence that the polarization with this game is happening while certain other things are going on in the world right now. In fact, it's kind of beautiful how much they overlap each other. There is a shift occurring, and will be ongoing for some time, and it is mostly for the better. It might feel radical in the short term, but in the long run it's just simple homeostasis at work.
     
  16. Jonnysert

    Jonnysert Member
    Newcomer

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2020
    Messages:
    26
    Country:
    Canada
    This song is not overrated it's just that the other megaman themes are just underrated
     
    tyrantnyx and Silent_Gunner like this.
  17. Nynrah

    Nynrah Member
    Newcomer

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2020
    Messages:
    10
    Country:
    Netherlands
    Haven't played it, but I've watched the full game (longplay, no commentary) since I have no issues with spoilers before playing the game myeslf and wanted to see what the commotion's been about. Now that I have seen the game, I can understand why many people hate it. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone could even THINK this is worthy of universal aclaim. The gameplay looks alright and the graphics are gorgeous, there's no doubt about that, but the storytelling is awful. By virtue of the storytelling alone this game can't possibly deserve anything above an 8.0.

    I can see why people compare it to The Last Jedi and Game of Thrones season 8, which aren't flattering comparisons. It's like taking everything that made the story of The Last of Us (part 1) great and deliberately destroying it. This is a poorly executed, petty revenge story - not a master piece. And the other character you are forced to play as aside from Ellie? She's the absolute worst part. She quickly makes herself hated and then you even end up having to play as her for a good part of the game and despite all the attempts to humanize her (e.g. "Oooh, look at her gently petting her dog!"), she doesn't ends up becoming likable in the least. By the end of the game you still want her to get a proper reckoning for what she's done, but you never get that satisfaction.

    It's pretty tough to go in-depth about everything that's wrong with the story without getting deep into the leaked spoilers. I waited until the game was released before forming my own opinion and I'm definately going to pass on this one. The story isn't good enough and I don't think Sony and Naughty Dog should be rewarded for abusing the DMCA system and law either. The leaks fall under "fair use", you can't just go take down content and threaten people's channels and incomes if they even just so much as TALK about the leaks without even showing any footage (yes, that has happened).
     
  18. sarkwalvein

    sarkwalvein There's hope for a Xenosaga port.
    Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    7,901
    Country:
    Germany
    It is very violent, but that's not the problem.
    Also it's nothing about "having a political agenda" or "SJW blah blah"... I think people that bring these arguments don't really realize what's wrong with the game.

    In first place, all good games are political, the story, characters, etc. will be saying something, there will have some depth, there will be some political aspect to them. This is not the point.

    The SJW thing... I think that's where I think people get confused. Many usually call "SJW" people that actually fake virtue, what they say doesn't match with what they really do, people that pose... people that look like badly written characters.

    But people posing is not a left or right, conservative or progressive thing, it is not really about "SJW", it is just about lack of coherence, actions don't matching characters, bad writing.

    To be honest the game is technically a masterpiece, graphics, sound and gameplay... But the storytelling is bad, characters seem like lunatic versions of the original lacking coherence, many events in the story happen in a sudden, convenient or cliche way that looks a lot like cheap writing, and the payoff is non-existent, just torture.

    IMHO: the message should be put more effort in the writing people!
     
    Sansgaming420, Garro, AlexMCS and 9 others like this.
  19. Reploid

    Reploid GBAtemp Advanced Maniac
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2010
    Messages:
    1,805
    Country:
    Serbia, Republic of
    Good for them there is so many people with no bar at all
     
  20. Izual Urashima

    Izual Urashima GBAtemp Regular
    Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2009
    Messages:
    167
    Country:
    Belgium
    I have problems with that announcement, but not the ones many people have.

    4 million games on a machine who already sold 100 million of them is short. The first one sold 3 millions on a much shorter console pool (it was something like 25-30 million consoles, at the time), in a much worse period of time (compare the games released around the first one's release and those who got released around the second one), and with much more acclaim.

    Plus, we also have all the confirmed things that Sony and Naughty Dog did to hide the game's actual state - Perfect reviews weeks before the game's release, Metacritic score manipulation, MASSIVE DMCA campaign that went way too far against any person not talking about the game in a positive light under the excuse of "wanting to hide spoilers", and so on.

    And now, we have more and more sources on social networks confirming that the game is massively resold outside of the main reselling platforms, and crazy stories coming from some American shops talking about a NDA from Sony that forces them to accept a certain amount of copies (which are considered as sold from Sony to boost sales), to refuse refunds of the game and, in some cases, to not be allowed to sell the game as used. Some still need confirmation, but the amount of people talking about it makes me think there's some serious part of truth behind it.

    Should all of this be confirmed and known to everyone before the release, I think the game would have been sold around 1 million copies, but the numbers are there and, although I seriously doubt the honesty behind them, they're here and they're weak.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted
Loading...

Hide similar threads Similar threads with keywords - million, sells,