Gaming The Future of of PSP CFW after Prometheus?

[stanleyopar2000]

Fill out the poll and tell me what you think!

comment if you feel compelled to do so

 

[xist]

Just going by logic we know exploit(s) still exist, and possibly kernel at that. I refuse to believe that TN is the only one capable of working with one at the moment which means that whether or not it's public the PSP will remain hackable for a while.

The PSP scene has been dead for over a year though.....just patching games and making firmware bolt ons doesn't indicate a burgeoning scene. Back in the old days when we had people contributing all sorts of things daily, that was the real scene. This today is just the long slow drawn out death rattle. And whilst i'm no developer, i'm certain that the PSP hardware itself isn't that underpowered so as to why there was a sudden loss of interest by EVERYONE, i find immensely sad.

 

[Fudge]

I think the 6.20 TN will drag it on for a little longer. It seems like all the scenes are dying, the PSP scene is holding out, the DS scene is absolute shit, the Wii scene is absolute shit, and the 360 has barely any homebrew or signs of a new exploit. The PS3 is the only scene that is actually interesting right now.

 

[Rydian]

Back in the old days when we had people contributing all sorts of things daily, that was the real scene. This today is just the long slow drawn out death rattle. And whilst i'm no developer, i'm certain that the PSP hardware itself isn't that underpowered so as to why there was a sudden loss of interest by EVERYONE, i find immensely sad.

Generally making stuff that already exists is an exercise in futility...

 

[xist]

You're right. One theme, one gameboot, one emulator etc...should be enough for all of us!

Developers and enthusiasts doing stuff.....DAMN THEM ALL!

 

[Rydian]

You're right. One theme, one gameboot, one emulator etc...should be enough for all of us!

Developers and enthusiasts doing stuff.....DAMN THEM ALL!

Okay now you're talking like a newbie to the PSP scene.

PSP themes are still being designed, there's like 5 different themes for each type of object or focal point of a theme (more for popular shit) already, themes often include custom gameboots (thus me using ultimate vsh menu to disable gameboot so I don't have to sit through annoying ones to start up some homebrew), and there's generally a few different emulators for each system.

When a scene is new (like the PS3 scene is now) stuff explodes because none of it exists, so people are busy making it. Once stuff exists there's no need to make it again.

Yes, it's good to have variety, but... for example the NES emulator for the PSP can play damn near everything. There's probably only a small handful of no-name japanese games that it can't play... but who would make an entire new emulator jut to play them?

 

[synce]

I'm just disappointed v4 was released just as 6.36 came out. Now Sony's going to immediately patch it with all these awesome games around the corner. Third Birthday, Valkyria 3, Oreimo, ACE Portable... What a fucking waste.

 

[xist]

Rydian, compare the PSP scene of 2006/2007 to that of today. It was so exciting back then, vibrant and fun with everyone at least chipping in and wanting to learn stuff.

Now all everyone does is "obtain" the next big release. A vibrant dev scene has the knock on effect of improvement and refinement...would a Sega Saturn emulator have been possible if the scene had remain as active? Could we maybe have seen the Dreamcast emulated too? (NO DO NOT POST HARDWARE COMPARISON'S AS I'M BEING SOMEWHAT METAPHORICAL!)

It's far better to have been refining their craft and remaining active, than just leaving. Virtually all the big names are gone now, and it's sad. The PSP doesn't have a scene any more, it has a load of people who just want to play the next big release and a handful of people who know how things work. That's not a scene, it's virtually a cult!

 

[Jolan]

Eh. I just wish that before releasing PSP2, Sony would release an OFW for the PSP that lets people run unsigned eboots, maybe even a way to bypass the 88v3 and 90v2 pre-ipl, to allow for pandora use on 2k and 3k, and possibly perm CFW.

That would be very nice of them.

 

[Kickstarts]

Eh. I just wish that before releasing PSP2, Sony would release an OFW for the PSP that lets people run unsigned eboots, maybe even a way to bypass the 88v3 and 90v2 pre-ipl, to allow for pandora use on 2k and 3k, and possibly perm CFW.

That would be very nice of them.

Totally. But Sony's not that nice. They never were x3

 

[Nobunaga]

I'm just disappointed v4 was released just as 6.36 came out. Now Sony's going to immediately patch it with all these awesome games around the corner. Third Birthday, Valkyria 3, Oreimo, ACE Portable... What a fucking waste.

About Third Birthday and VC3 i think we will be able to play these games but i am not so sure about Ace R portable

As for the future of the cfw i think it will be bright hrimfaxi will come back....

 

[stanleyopar2000]

Eh. I just wish that before releasing PSP2, Sony would release an OFW for the PSP that lets people run unsigned eboots, maybe even a way to bypass the 88v3 and 90v2 pre-ipl, to allow for pandora use on 2k and 3k, and possibly perm CFW.

That would be very nice of them.

you're joking right??

Sony is a greedy asshole enough to take away backwards compatibility on the PS3 console....you think they would do that??

yes..I know your kidding

 

[prowler]

Eh. I just wish that before releasing PSP2, Sony would release an OFW for the PSP that lets people run unsigned eboots, maybe even a way to bypass the 88v3 and 90v2 pre-ipl, to allow for pandora use on 2k and 3k, and possibly perm CFW.

That would be very nice of them.

Maybe if we send them a pretty Christmas card?

 

[Goli]

I'm just disappointed v4 was released just as 6.36 came out. Now Sony's going to immediately patch it with all these awesome games around the corner. Third Birthday, Valkyria 3, Oreimo, ACE Portable... What a fucking waste.

About Third Birthday and VC3 i think we will be able to play these games but i am not so sure about Ace R portable

As for the future of the cfw i think it will be bright hrimfaxi will come back....

I think T3B may be playable, I'm pretty sure they've already begun the printing process so it'll presumably have FW 6.36 (unless they release ANOTHER update in a short while...). VC3 on the other hand is still pretty far...

 

[stanleyopar2000]

I'm just disappointed v4 was released just as 6.36 came out. Now Sony's going to immediately patch it with all these awesome games around the corner. Third Birthday, Valkyria 3, Oreimo, ACE Portable... What a fucking waste.

About Third Birthday and VC3 i think we will be able to play these games but i am not so sure about Ace R portable

As for the future of the cfw i think it will be bright hrimfaxi will come back....

I think T3B may be playable, I'm pretty sure they've already begun the printing process so it'll presumably have FW 6.36 (unless they release ANOTHER update in a short while...). VC3 on the other hand is still pretty far...

let's hope they have the same updating "speed" as Nintendo does on it's DSi console.....

or another "security" or even a useless firmware update might be coming....

Dissida 012 and God Eater Burst you can guarantee it will require another firmware..even if it's a useless firmware....

 

[dib]

Just going by logic we know exploit(s) still exist, and possibly kernel at that. I refuse to believe that TN is the only one capable of working with one at the moment which means that whether or not it's public the PSP will remain hackable for a while.

The PSP scene has been dead for over a year though.....just patching games and making firmware bolt ons doesn't indicate a burgeoning scene. Back in the old days when we had people contributing all sorts of things daily, that was the real scene. This today is just the long slow drawn out death rattle. And whilst i'm no developer, i'm certain that the PSP hardware itself isn't that underpowered so as to why there was a sudden loss of interest by EVERYONE, i find immensely sad.

I've decided its the lack of profit that prevented more interest and development.

In the case of the DS, fixes and exploits are still being produced, spurred on by the sales of flash carts. If there were no more firmware updates and fixes for official games then sales would slow.

But there was never money to be made in the PSP because you jailbreak it then add everything to a plain memory card. Without industry as a factor, the scene is underwhelming because it depends on individuals selflessly working on behalf of others. The fact that somebody like Dark Alex ever toiled away was purely altruistic. And when there is a disproportionate number of unappreciative fools saying stupid things on the internet, it doesn't give one much motivation to contribute anything.

I submit that if the PSP had required flash carts since day one, we would have seen many more alternative firmwares with revisions continuing to this day. That competition across multiple products, with the intent to make money seems to be necessary even when we're ultimately talking about third party freeware.

 

[stanleyopar2000]

Just going by logic we know exploit(s) still exist, and possibly kernel at that. I refuse to believe that TN is the only one capable of working with one at the moment which means that whether or not it's public the PSP will remain hackable for a while.

The PSP scene has been dead for over a year though.....just patching games and making firmware bolt ons doesn't indicate a burgeoning scene. Back in the old days when we had people contributing all sorts of things daily, that was the real scene. This today is just the long slow drawn out death rattle. And whilst i'm no developer, i'm certain that the PSP hardware itself isn't that underpowered so as to why there was a sudden loss of interest by EVERYONE, i find immensely sad.

I've decided its the lack of profit that prevented more interest and development.

In the case of the DS, fixes and exploits are still being produced, spurred on by the sales of flash carts. If there were no more firmware updates and fixes for official games then sales would slow.

But there was never money to be made in the PSP because you jailbreak it then add everything to a plain memory card. Without industry as a factor, the scene is underwhelming because it depends on individuals selflessly working on behalf of others. The fact that somebody like Dark Alex ever toiled away was purely altruistic. And when there is a disproportionate number of unappreciative fools saying stupid things on the internet, it doesn't give one much motivation to contribute anything.

I submit that if the PSP had required flash carts since day one, we would have seen many more alternative firmwares with revisions continuing to this day. That competition across multiple products, with the intent to make money seems to be necessary even when we're ultimately talking about third party freeware.

very true....trolls ruin everything...

trolls and assholes are the reason why GeoHot quit (so he says....didn't he say he had a interview with Google when he first broadcasted his unlocking of the iPhone 1 on CNN?)

anyway...all that hard work and no credit is quite a tough job...your motivation is mainly "screwing the big man who screws us" and that only goes so far

 

[xist]

I submit that if the PSP had required flash carts since day one, we would have seen many more alternative firmwares with revisions continuing to this day. That competition across multiple products, with the intent to make money seems to be necessary even when we're ultimately talking about third party freeware.

So how does that make any difference to all the people in the DS scene that aren't selling products? The PSP scene was amazing for 2 or 3 years and then suddenly died as people lost interest. It's not the fact that things weren't being sold, it's merely the fact (in my humble opinion) that Sony weren't interested in the PSP at all and preferred to push the PS3, which meant that people moved on to more interesting pastures.

Plus more alternative firmwares? Fundamentally all that the CFW's we have do is unbolt a few locked doors in the OFW that Sony issues. I can't really see how having a flashcart based scene would have made any difference unless someone was to make a COMPLETELY new firmware which somehow circumvented, or could be made to circumvent checks....Utopia was mooted as the first alternative firmware but either never made it out of an embryonic development project or was written off as pointless.

The PS2 scene is more alive than the PSP one...Profit doesn't matter much there so i can't see how your argument holds water....

 

[Rydian]

Rydian, compare the PSP scene of 2006/2007 to that of today. It was so exciting back then, vibrant and fun with everyone at least chipping in and wanting to learn stuff.

Now all everyone does is "obtain" the next big release. A vibrant dev scene has the knock on effect of improvement and refinement...would a Sega Saturn emulator have been possible if the scene had remain as active? Could we maybe have seen the Dreamcast emulated too? (NO DO NOT POST HARDWARE COMPARISON'S AS I'M BEING SOMEWHAT METAPHORICAL!)

It's far better to have been refining their craft and remaining active, than just leaving. Virtually all the big names are gone now, and it's sad. The PSP doesn't have a scene any more, it has a load of people who just want to play the next big release and a handful of people who know how things work. That's not a scene, it's virtually a cult!

People get excited about new hardware and the prospects it brings. The PS3 is newly-hacked hardware. The PSP WAS newly-hacked hardware years ago... it'll have it's sixth birthday (in japan) in a matter of days. It hasn't been "new" in ages.

• Think of it like this.
  
• You get a new girlfriend.
  "Oh hotness I wanna' bang you!"
  Maybe the new girl's flexible in ways you don't know. Maybe she's into some kinks that are hard to find.
  
• You go spend some time with your girlfriend of five years.
  "What, sex again? Sure I guess."
  What new is there? You know her limits, you know what works and what doesn't, you've tried most things you care about to find if they're possible or not already.

 

[stanleyopar2000]

Rydian, compare the PSP scene of 2006/2007 to that of today. It was so exciting back then, vibrant and fun with everyone at least chipping in and wanting to learn stuff.

Now all everyone does is "obtain" the next big release. A vibrant dev scene has the knock on effect of improvement and refinement...would a Sega Saturn emulator have been possible if the scene had remain as active? Could we maybe have seen the Dreamcast emulated too? (NO DO NOT POST HARDWARE COMPARISON'S AS I'M BEING SOMEWHAT METAPHORICAL!)

It's far better to have been refining their craft and remaining active, than just leaving. Virtually all the big names are gone now, and it's sad. The PSP doesn't have a scene any more, it has a load of people who just want to play the next big release and a handful of people who know how things work. That's not a scene, it's virtually a cult!

People get excited about new hardware and the prospects it brings. The PS3 is newly-hacked hardware. The PSP WAS newly-hacked hardware years ago... it'll have it's sixth birthday (in japan) in a matter of days. It hasn't been "new" in ages.

• Think of it like this.
  
• You get a new girlfriend.
  "Oh hotness I wanna' bang you!"
  Maybe the new girl's flexible in ways you don't know. Maybe she's into some kinks that are hard to find.
  
• You go spend some time with your girlfriend of five years.
  "What, sex again? Sure I guess."
  What new is there? You know her limits, you know what works and what doesn't, you've tried most things you care about to find if they're possible or not already.

you tried to put it into an easier perspective...but I don't understand what you mean