<!--quoteo(post=3247834:date=Nov 6 2010, 12:41 PM:name=TrolleyDave)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TrolleyDave @ Nov 6 2010, 12:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3247834"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Don't worry, I know all about the propaganda on all sides. I've been studying it for over a decade now. The propaganda that comes out of Iran is terrible I agree. I know Islam is a political movement and not just a religion. The Qu'ran lays down an entire political and social structure as well as faith. Yesh, the Taliban and the cells known collectively as Al-Qaeda attack their own people but anyone who's ever read the Qu'ran or the Hadiths knows that this really does go against Islamic teachings. A Muslm may never in any circumstances harm another Muslim. The people that make up the Taliban, Al-Qaeuda and Mullahs of Iran are greedy power hungry corrupt politicians no different to any other. The only real difference is they have a very cult of personality like religion aiding them. I think you've kind of missed the point of the original statement though. The statement, made by somebody on news TV in the US, says that ALL terrorists are Muslim. And like I said, in the global scheme of things terrorists that are Muslim are relatively low and actual Islamic terrorism is even lower.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ok, let me argue this, all terrorists who are currently fighting western nations are Muslim, is that not in the context what is meant? you take one line, sure it seems to convey that all terrorist are muslim, but in reality what he meant was that all terrorist who are currently fighting with the west are in fact,Muslim. speaking of propaganda, I wonder if you have seen <a href="http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2628.htm" target="_blank">this</a>. doesn't propaganda like that, lead to violence like <a href="http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2004/676/" target="_blank">this</a>?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ok that's fair enough. But would a poor person be able to go to one a hospital and get all the treatment he needs for say cancer? The problem with privatised health care like the one in America is that they put profits before people. They have the right to refuse treatment to people who've been paying their insurance.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
there are options for part, or full coverage depending on the circumstances. take a look <a href="http://www.cancerlinksusa.com/financial_aid.htm" target="_blank">here</a>, while were at it take look at <a href="http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf" target="_blank">this</a>.
yes, but that's what the country wanted in the medical reform, not some bloated 1000+page boot shoved down our throat.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's fair enough, but you need to separate the individual from the corporation. What I'm saying is that corporations who make billions a year in profit should be made to contribute back to the society they earn their billions from. They should be hit with large fines for every infraction of the law they commit. Look at the BP oil spill. If instead of removing the regulations that allowed this to happen stricter regulations had been put in place with the threat of a massive fine (and therefore a huge dent in profits) do you think it would have happened? If you charged them a fee every year to ensure that there would be enough inspectors and government regulators to keep a careful watch on companies like them do you think this would have happened? Also charge them a small amount (compared to their income) to create an emergency fund to repair any damage to the environment that may happen if something genuinely goes wrong, how quick do you think the environment would have got cleaned up then. Instead time was spent bickering over who would get this contract or that contract. Big business and profits once again came before any responsibility to the country, no corporation should ever have more power than the country hosting them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
have a read <a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2009/08/Seven-Myths-About-Taxing-the-Rich?utm_source=Chartbook&utm_medium=researchpaper&utm_campaign=budgetchartbook" target="_blank">here</a>
, and <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ernest-istook/how-our-government-slowed_b_621456.html" target="_blank">here</a>.
If it wasn't for government regulation and incompetence, maybe we could have pushed out a <a href="http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/06/obama-says-oil-spill-is-like-9-11-then-sends-only-20-of-2000-available-oil-skimmer-boats/" target="_blank">few</a> more skimmers?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That depends on the interpretation and moderation of socialism. Like any other political movement there are those that seek to control and those that seek to unite. The trick is to sift through it all, find those looking to unite rather than control and learn from what they have to teach. At it's core a true Socialist government is actually more democratic than what we call Democracy as before that government can change any important policies they have to get the vote of the people. Look at France and Sweden at the moment for example. Both are examples of countries built on socialism. Would you say they are dictatorships, or countries that force their citizens to help each other out?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I will take a look at france for a moment, they have put 100 years into there "health care" and according to the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3423159.stm" target="_blank">bbc</a>, it is "badly run" sure, what's 66,000,000,000.00 Euros by 2020? it's not like we would want to run out of money, now would we? Not to mention that France's health care system is among the most expensive in Europe, 10.5 percent of GDP.
have a read <a href="http://www.jpands.org/vol13no1/larson.pdf" target="_blank">here</a> for sweden.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wouldn't go that far. But certainly anyone who commits multiple or mass murder should be.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
that's a personal difference, nothing I can do about that.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In all honesty I could care whether it's the Republicans or Democrats as like I said they're both the same coin. The only real difference is one is more honest it's support of the corporations and it's shafting of the people. Modern American politics reminds of Chicago in the 30's with big business replacing the Italian/Irish mafias. Globalisation is both a left wing and right wing policy, just for different ends. It's only really the extreme and far right that are against globalisation, and that's mostly because they're paranoid, delusional and most of all White nationalists.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
would the United Nations not <a href="http://www.infowars.com/globalists-plan-to-dismantle-middle-class-with-un-tax/" target="_blank">push</a> a globalist tax?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In that hypothetical situation I'd say the Frenchman was bang out of order and should be forced to swap the order of the flags around. But I have nationalistic tendencies over certain things so that plays a big hand in that. I know plenty of people who just wouldn't care.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
that's exactly what i was talking about when it comes to the baseball thing, I do not go to mexico waiving a french flag on the day they celebrate cinco de mayo, that would show a complete lack of respect for them as a nation, so why would they wave mexican flags at a baseball game, americas past time.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I totally agree with that. I'm not against adult learner classes funded by the government to help immigrants learn the national language as quickly as possible, but I do believe in a one or two national language based idea. One or two depending on the culture of the country and how it's evolved obviously. That's one of the things I believe all immigrants should adapt to.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am not against adult learner classes either, but it should be on there dime, not the tax payers. they <a href="http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/060421_mccain.htm" target="_blank">do not</a> want to learn the english language.
@second language, they came here, it isn't the other way around, so I shouldn't have to learn a second language because they actively refuse to learn out language.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There's nothing wrong with being against illegal immigration, I am. But I also understand why it happens and know that if the situation was reversed I'd probably try the same thing if I couldn't legally emigrate. If the life you live as an illegal immigrant in a country like the UK is better than your life at home then it must have been pretty bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the only situation i would agree with them on would be if there claiming asylum from somewhere such as china, cuba or iran. BUT they need to get in contact with the feds to do so, otherwise how would the feds know if they where hostile or not? they could be a spy for all that they know, or an extremest.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Circulation doesn't necessarily mean better news. You're welcome to use the paper all you like, all I'm saying is that it hurts the credibility of what you say. And neither paper is left leaning, nor are they right leaning. They're simply sensationalist papers, they print their news according to how many papers it would sell. If you read on a daily basis you'd see it. It doesn't really come across when using it as a source on the net because you only see the stories you're searching for if you get me.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you know, honestly it's all opinion, I will continue to use the daily mail, and that's all there is to it, nothing personal, it's just what I am planning on sticking with.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wasn't talking about illegal immigration, I was talking about legal mass immigration. That's why borders are opened in waves and to giant numbers. It's not just my opinion. Read up on disaster capitalism and economic hitmen.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That was my fault for mis interperating what you meant, but still the more people come to a country the more is needed from the government and the higher the taxes. let's look back at france for a second, the more people who mass immigrate, the more that they have to pay for it in health care, there already at 10% of there GDP for heath care alone, more people make it harder to find jobs, and in turn put's more people into poverty.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Illegal immigrants can vote in America?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
YES THEY CAN! there has been a democratic stonghold on this country for over 40 years, not until the 1980's was the fairness doctrine repealed have conservative voices come out against MANY MANY things that the democrat's have been doing, from not requiring ID cards to vote/have a drivers license. they <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/11/04/state/n180435D72.DTL" target="_blank">steal</a> <a href="http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=223145" target="_blank">elections</a>, and outright <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/14/AR2010071405880.htmlhttp://" target="_blank">intimidate</a> voters.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's entirely up to you. I'm telling you from the experience of living in this country that UK women have more than 1.6 children. Hell, these days there's a fair chunk of teenage girls who have that many before they've even hit 18. I know very little about Germany's immigration policy, I'll look into it further.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am looking at a national average, not locally, yes women can and will whore themselves out, I get that. it's there choice, do I agree with it? HELL NO! but that's there lives, not mine. I wish them all the best of luck.
And about germany, the turks where given that land in the Treaty of Sèvres after WWI why do they disrespect eroupe as a whole by illegally immigrating to there respected countries? Not only that, but cause trouble as well?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->FOX News are one of the worst news channels on the planet, probably the worst of all Murdoch owned news channels. How could you ever trust the word of news station that went to court to fight for the right to lie? What kind of news channel fights for the right to lie under the guise of freedom of speech? If you think Murdoch is a left winger then you're solely and wholly mistaken. Fox News mainly leans to the right, but it doesn't really care as long as it gets people foaming at the mouth and viewing their channel.
Yes we have child prostitution in this country but it's not the problem you obviously perceive it as. The States suffers a far worse problem with paedophillia than we do.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well, lets take Shepard Smith first, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT61GNLBclk" target="_blank">pushing the public option</a>. what about shawn hannity? surely he <a href="http://www.debbieschlussel.com/9646/sean-vannity-hosts-anti-semite-ex-con-allows-him-to-rant-about-the-jooos-on-yom-kippur/" target="_blank">loves</a> those who live in isreal.
Bill O'Reilly? well, as you can read <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/20/entertainment/main650282.shtml" target="_blank">here</a> there isn't much to push with him, he's already a sex starved liberal nutjob.
about child prostitution, it didn't start until after the degenerate 60's where over, due in part that congress passed the Juvenile Justice Delinquency Prevention Act which prevented runaway children who where arrested to return to there families, natualrally they would run from the cops and seek someone to protect them, it's estimated that there are 300,000 prostitutes under the age of 16. back in 81 it was 600,000 .. the farther away from the 60's we get the better this nation becomes.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's exactly how we're turning out. I hate it. There's far too many people out there who believe that any negative emotion will damage a child's emotional growth, but sometimes a kid needs to be told off. I don't agree with beating them obviously, but a short sharp shock in the form of a slap is fine in my opinion.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never said anything about beating, but I also agree, a good spanking is what needs to be done sometimes.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ah right, my apologies. I misread what you were trying to say.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No problem.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Gangsterism and the Gangsta rap culture is pure capitalism. It's making as much money as possible without any responsibility.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's left wing, I am leaving it at that.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I agree there's an imbalance, and in all honesty I don't agree with it. I understand the reasoning and logic behind why it's like that, I just don't agree with it. As long as the person singing the lyrics isn't promoting the ideals of someone like David Duke then there should be nothing wrong with it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am all for free speech, and if they want to put that in there lyrics then that is find, but you will need to anticipate a backlash from allot of people. People like dave duke do have the right to speak there mind "as much as it pains me to say that about a KKK member" but it will not be received well with allot of people, myself included.
You see, I do not want anything like <a href="http://www.sfweekly.com/2000-02-23/news/public-enema-no-2/" target="_blank">this</a> to come out of the mainstream left, it's disgusting a disgrace to any normal human being and put's "art" in a negative light.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Philosophy is a guide for the human race as well, and much better as the right philosophy doesn't teach you to be good in order to be rewarded in an after-life - it teaches you to be good because that's the best way to advance society.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
what's best is best, it's all in our hands.. let's just hope we do not screw it up <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't agree that he should have the right to promote lies as the truth in order to push forward his agenda. I'll fight for hist rights to push his politics, but I won't fight for anyones right to push forward negative stereotypes based on false information. No I've never been to an EDL rally. I'm far too old and unfit these days to be caught up among 500 drunken blokes looking for a scrap. Have you ever seen an EDL demo? They're nothing like the Tea Party rallies, I know they get compared but they're not really that much alike. Plus I speak to individual members of the EDL rather than looking at the organisation and I look at how it's leaders behave, the propaganda they use and the kind of cult of personality setup they've got going on. I get my view of the ED from all over.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
agreed, he shouldn't be allowed to push false info on a group of people, that's why laws are in place.
dually noted.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->lol I know that feeling very very well!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
xD
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not saying that every member of the EDL but alot of this does go on and rarely gets oppose, so long as it's directed against Muslims. I agree it's despicable, that's why I say they should be chased out of town. All of them may not hold that opinion but they certainly don't oppose it as is held true by the fact that these people belong to the organisation if you get me.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Nightmare. Sorry to hear about my dog, my sympathies to you. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/frown.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="frown.gif" /> Take your time responding. I'll try and watch that video later and let you know what I think.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, she had a baby and that dogs now an inside dog, but I repeatedly told her not to go down there, I guess she's looking down here now saying OHHHH I GET IT!!! buried her the other day by the lake, she liked to swim :')
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->heh The bonus of being a mod is I don't suffer from that!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lucky <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />
ok, let me argue this, all terrorists who are currently fighting western nations are Muslim, is that not in the context what is meant? you take one line, sure it seems to convey that all terrorist are muslim, but in reality what he meant was that all terrorist who are currently fighting with the west are in fact,Muslim. speaking of propaganda, I wonder if you have seen <a href="http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2628.htm" target="_blank">this</a>. doesn't propaganda like that, lead to violence like <a href="http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2004/676/" target="_blank">this</a>?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ok that's fair enough. But would a poor person be able to go to one a hospital and get all the treatment he needs for say cancer? The problem with privatised health care like the one in America is that they put profits before people. They have the right to refuse treatment to people who've been paying their insurance.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
there are options for part, or full coverage depending on the circumstances. take a look <a href="http://www.cancerlinksusa.com/financial_aid.htm" target="_blank">here</a>, while were at it take look at <a href="http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf" target="_blank">this</a>.
yes, but that's what the country wanted in the medical reform, not some bloated 1000+page boot shoved down our throat.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's fair enough, but you need to separate the individual from the corporation. What I'm saying is that corporations who make billions a year in profit should be made to contribute back to the society they earn their billions from. They should be hit with large fines for every infraction of the law they commit. Look at the BP oil spill. If instead of removing the regulations that allowed this to happen stricter regulations had been put in place with the threat of a massive fine (and therefore a huge dent in profits) do you think it would have happened? If you charged them a fee every year to ensure that there would be enough inspectors and government regulators to keep a careful watch on companies like them do you think this would have happened? Also charge them a small amount (compared to their income) to create an emergency fund to repair any damage to the environment that may happen if something genuinely goes wrong, how quick do you think the environment would have got cleaned up then. Instead time was spent bickering over who would get this contract or that contract. Big business and profits once again came before any responsibility to the country, no corporation should ever have more power than the country hosting them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
have a read <a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2009/08/Seven-Myths-About-Taxing-the-Rich?utm_source=Chartbook&utm_medium=researchpaper&utm_campaign=budgetchartbook" target="_blank">here</a>
, and <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ernest-istook/how-our-government-slowed_b_621456.html" target="_blank">here</a>.
If it wasn't for government regulation and incompetence, maybe we could have pushed out a <a href="http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/06/obama-says-oil-spill-is-like-9-11-then-sends-only-20-of-2000-available-oil-skimmer-boats/" target="_blank">few</a> more skimmers?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That depends on the interpretation and moderation of socialism. Like any other political movement there are those that seek to control and those that seek to unite. The trick is to sift through it all, find those looking to unite rather than control and learn from what they have to teach. At it's core a true Socialist government is actually more democratic than what we call Democracy as before that government can change any important policies they have to get the vote of the people. Look at France and Sweden at the moment for example. Both are examples of countries built on socialism. Would you say they are dictatorships, or countries that force their citizens to help each other out?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I will take a look at france for a moment, they have put 100 years into there "health care" and according to the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3423159.stm" target="_blank">bbc</a>, it is "badly run" sure, what's 66,000,000,000.00 Euros by 2020? it's not like we would want to run out of money, now would we? Not to mention that France's health care system is among the most expensive in Europe, 10.5 percent of GDP.
have a read <a href="http://www.jpands.org/vol13no1/larson.pdf" target="_blank">here</a> for sweden.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wouldn't go that far. But certainly anyone who commits multiple or mass murder should be.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
that's a personal difference, nothing I can do about that.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In all honesty I could care whether it's the Republicans or Democrats as like I said they're both the same coin. The only real difference is one is more honest it's support of the corporations and it's shafting of the people. Modern American politics reminds of Chicago in the 30's with big business replacing the Italian/Irish mafias. Globalisation is both a left wing and right wing policy, just for different ends. It's only really the extreme and far right that are against globalisation, and that's mostly because they're paranoid, delusional and most of all White nationalists.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
would the United Nations not <a href="http://www.infowars.com/globalists-plan-to-dismantle-middle-class-with-un-tax/" target="_blank">push</a> a globalist tax?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In that hypothetical situation I'd say the Frenchman was bang out of order and should be forced to swap the order of the flags around. But I have nationalistic tendencies over certain things so that plays a big hand in that. I know plenty of people who just wouldn't care.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
that's exactly what i was talking about when it comes to the baseball thing, I do not go to mexico waiving a french flag on the day they celebrate cinco de mayo, that would show a complete lack of respect for them as a nation, so why would they wave mexican flags at a baseball game, americas past time.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I totally agree with that. I'm not against adult learner classes funded by the government to help immigrants learn the national language as quickly as possible, but I do believe in a one or two national language based idea. One or two depending on the culture of the country and how it's evolved obviously. That's one of the things I believe all immigrants should adapt to.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am not against adult learner classes either, but it should be on there dime, not the tax payers. they <a href="http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/060421_mccain.htm" target="_blank">do not</a> want to learn the english language.
@second language, they came here, it isn't the other way around, so I shouldn't have to learn a second language because they actively refuse to learn out language.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There's nothing wrong with being against illegal immigration, I am. But I also understand why it happens and know that if the situation was reversed I'd probably try the same thing if I couldn't legally emigrate. If the life you live as an illegal immigrant in a country like the UK is better than your life at home then it must have been pretty bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the only situation i would agree with them on would be if there claiming asylum from somewhere such as china, cuba or iran. BUT they need to get in contact with the feds to do so, otherwise how would the feds know if they where hostile or not? they could be a spy for all that they know, or an extremest.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Circulation doesn't necessarily mean better news. You're welcome to use the paper all you like, all I'm saying is that it hurts the credibility of what you say. And neither paper is left leaning, nor are they right leaning. They're simply sensationalist papers, they print their news according to how many papers it would sell. If you read on a daily basis you'd see it. It doesn't really come across when using it as a source on the net because you only see the stories you're searching for if you get me.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you know, honestly it's all opinion, I will continue to use the daily mail, and that's all there is to it, nothing personal, it's just what I am planning on sticking with.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wasn't talking about illegal immigration, I was talking about legal mass immigration. That's why borders are opened in waves and to giant numbers. It's not just my opinion. Read up on disaster capitalism and economic hitmen.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That was my fault for mis interperating what you meant, but still the more people come to a country the more is needed from the government and the higher the taxes. let's look back at france for a second, the more people who mass immigrate, the more that they have to pay for it in health care, there already at 10% of there GDP for heath care alone, more people make it harder to find jobs, and in turn put's more people into poverty.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Illegal immigrants can vote in America?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
YES THEY CAN! there has been a democratic stonghold on this country for over 40 years, not until the 1980's was the fairness doctrine repealed have conservative voices come out against MANY MANY things that the democrat's have been doing, from not requiring ID cards to vote/have a drivers license. they <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/11/04/state/n180435D72.DTL" target="_blank">steal</a> <a href="http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=223145" target="_blank">elections</a>, and outright <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/14/AR2010071405880.htmlhttp://" target="_blank">intimidate</a> voters.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's entirely up to you. I'm telling you from the experience of living in this country that UK women have more than 1.6 children. Hell, these days there's a fair chunk of teenage girls who have that many before they've even hit 18. I know very little about Germany's immigration policy, I'll look into it further.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am looking at a national average, not locally, yes women can and will whore themselves out, I get that. it's there choice, do I agree with it? HELL NO! but that's there lives, not mine. I wish them all the best of luck.
And about germany, the turks where given that land in the Treaty of Sèvres after WWI why do they disrespect eroupe as a whole by illegally immigrating to there respected countries? Not only that, but cause trouble as well?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->FOX News are one of the worst news channels on the planet, probably the worst of all Murdoch owned news channels. How could you ever trust the word of news station that went to court to fight for the right to lie? What kind of news channel fights for the right to lie under the guise of freedom of speech? If you think Murdoch is a left winger then you're solely and wholly mistaken. Fox News mainly leans to the right, but it doesn't really care as long as it gets people foaming at the mouth and viewing their channel.
Yes we have child prostitution in this country but it's not the problem you obviously perceive it as. The States suffers a far worse problem with paedophillia than we do.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well, lets take Shepard Smith first, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT61GNLBclk" target="_blank">pushing the public option</a>. what about shawn hannity? surely he <a href="http://www.debbieschlussel.com/9646/sean-vannity-hosts-anti-semite-ex-con-allows-him-to-rant-about-the-jooos-on-yom-kippur/" target="_blank">loves</a> those who live in isreal.
Bill O'Reilly? well, as you can read <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/20/entertainment/main650282.shtml" target="_blank">here</a> there isn't much to push with him, he's already a sex starved liberal nutjob.
about child prostitution, it didn't start until after the degenerate 60's where over, due in part that congress passed the Juvenile Justice Delinquency Prevention Act which prevented runaway children who where arrested to return to there families, natualrally they would run from the cops and seek someone to protect them, it's estimated that there are 300,000 prostitutes under the age of 16. back in 81 it was 600,000 .. the farther away from the 60's we get the better this nation becomes.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's exactly how we're turning out. I hate it. There's far too many people out there who believe that any negative emotion will damage a child's emotional growth, but sometimes a kid needs to be told off. I don't agree with beating them obviously, but a short sharp shock in the form of a slap is fine in my opinion.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never said anything about beating, but I also agree, a good spanking is what needs to be done sometimes.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ah right, my apologies. I misread what you were trying to say.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No problem.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Gangsterism and the Gangsta rap culture is pure capitalism. It's making as much money as possible without any responsibility.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's left wing, I am leaving it at that.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I agree there's an imbalance, and in all honesty I don't agree with it. I understand the reasoning and logic behind why it's like that, I just don't agree with it. As long as the person singing the lyrics isn't promoting the ideals of someone like David Duke then there should be nothing wrong with it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am all for free speech, and if they want to put that in there lyrics then that is find, but you will need to anticipate a backlash from allot of people. People like dave duke do have the right to speak there mind "as much as it pains me to say that about a KKK member" but it will not be received well with allot of people, myself included.
You see, I do not want anything like <a href="http://www.sfweekly.com/2000-02-23/news/public-enema-no-2/" target="_blank">this</a> to come out of the mainstream left, it's disgusting a disgrace to any normal human being and put's "art" in a negative light.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Philosophy is a guide for the human race as well, and much better as the right philosophy doesn't teach you to be good in order to be rewarded in an after-life - it teaches you to be good because that's the best way to advance society.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
what's best is best, it's all in our hands.. let's just hope we do not screw it up <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't agree that he should have the right to promote lies as the truth in order to push forward his agenda. I'll fight for hist rights to push his politics, but I won't fight for anyones right to push forward negative stereotypes based on false information. No I've never been to an EDL rally. I'm far too old and unfit these days to be caught up among 500 drunken blokes looking for a scrap. Have you ever seen an EDL demo? They're nothing like the Tea Party rallies, I know they get compared but they're not really that much alike. Plus I speak to individual members of the EDL rather than looking at the organisation and I look at how it's leaders behave, the propaganda they use and the kind of cult of personality setup they've got going on. I get my view of the ED from all over.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
agreed, he shouldn't be allowed to push false info on a group of people, that's why laws are in place.
dually noted.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->lol I know that feeling very very well!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
xD
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not saying that every member of the EDL but alot of this does go on and rarely gets oppose, so long as it's directed against Muslims. I agree it's despicable, that's why I say they should be chased out of town. All of them may not hold that opinion but they certainly don't oppose it as is held true by the fact that these people belong to the organisation if you get me.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Nightmare. Sorry to hear about my dog, my sympathies to you. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/frown.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
" border="0" alt="frown.gif" /> Take your time responding. I'll try and watch that video later and let you know what I think.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Well, she had a baby and that dogs now an inside dog, but I repeatedly told her not to go down there, I guess she's looking down here now saying OHHHH I GET IT!!! buried her the other day by the lake, she liked to swim :')
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->heh The bonus of being a mod is I don't suffer from that!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lucky <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
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