The Chinese corporate social credit system

[Viri]

It's the opposite in the West: most of our politicians are content to let corporations dictate how government is run instead of the other way around. Not that I believe government should have absolute control over the daily operation of corporations, but some common sense regulations are a necessity when it comes to entities driven solely by the profit motive.

They're both taking note. Gov and corporations would love to get more control over us. China is pretty much their wet dream.

 

[Xzi]

They're both taking note. Gov and corporations would love to get more control over us. China is pretty much their wet dream.

Well, China doesn't have our constitution, but it's true that the current administration has been trying their best lately to strip away both our 14th and 1st amendment rights. I'm ready to stage a French-style revolution as soon as y'all are.

 

[IncredulousP]

I'm ready to stage a French-style revolution as soon as y'all are.

Do we even have a guillotine large enough for all of Trump's chins?

 

[Viri]

Well, China doesn't have our constitution, but it's true that the current administration has been trying their best lately to strip away both our 14th and 1st amendment rights. I'm ready to stage a French-style revolution as soon as y'all are.

That'll go about as well as HK trying to overthrow the CCP.

I do admire their dedication though! It's pretty inspirational to see how much a city can get together, to tell their authoritarian over lord "NO"!

 

[Xzi]

That'll go about as well as HK trying to overthrow the CCP.

Well yeah, revolution doesn't work if the majority of the population (mainland China in this case) see themselves as somehow above the fray due to their short-sightedness and/or complacency. It's guaranteed to come back and bite them in the ass later, though.

 

[morvoran]

Not that I believe government should have absolute control over the daily operation of corporations

For someone who is for Socialism, I find this hard to believe.

Well, China doesn't have our constitution, but it's true that the current administration has been trying their best lately to strip away both our 14th and 1st amendment rights. I'm ready to stage a French-style revolution as soon as y'all are.

First, your precious "Squad" is not the current administration. Trump is the president, not AOC. I know CNN has you confused. Second, a "french-style revolution"? I bet you'd love for innocent people to be dragged out in the streets and beheaded (hmm, who else does that? Oh, yeah, ISIS).
Are you trying to improve your social credit score now for when the Socialist Communist Democrat party takes over? Are you, comrade?

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I just realized that China is implementing this credit system in 2020. I admit that I'm curious how this will affect the everyday lives of the Chinese people. I wonder if it will be a burden on the common folk there and if crime rates will drop or skyrocket.
I'm just hoping that the US will not try "experimenting" with things like this in our society. This is why it is important to keep this country from becoming a Socialist nation as it's the first step to communism and the destruction of our wonderful Republic and the freedoms that come with it.
People may either doubt this or hide the fact they are aware of it, but Western society already has a form of a social credit system with the oligarchy of SJW's controlling the minds and lives of others. If a company puts out an ad that displays a minority, a person tweets something "insensitive" 10 years ago, a great president tries to make his country great again, etc., then the Social Justice "Warriors" come to the rescue to promote how much better they are then others and get them shut down, silenced, or just destroy their lives.
Even though they are a very small percentage of our population, they seem to have too much power. This is only because we let them have power by refusing to stand up to them.

I do not want any kind of social credit system implemented into our lives, China's or otherwise because I believe in freedom and liberty. Hopefully, we will all wake up and prevent this from happening. (except for xzi, he can move to Venezuela which I heard is a Socialist paradise. )

 

[Xzi]

For someone who is for Socialism, I find this hard to believe.

Democratic socialism. I know nuance is not one of your strong suits, but you'll never hear Bernie Sanders talking about the government seizing the means of production. It's all about empowering the working class like so many other first-world nations have done.

First, your precious "Squad" is not the current administration. Trump is the president, not AOC.

No shit sherlock, I didn't mention AOC or anything about Congress. It's the Trump administration that's trying to trample on our 14th and 1st amendment rights. He's even gone as far as withholding citizenship for children of military families who are born abroad.

Second, a "french-style revolution"? I bet you'd love for innocent people to be dragged out in the streets and beheaded (hmm, who else does that? Oh, yeah, ISIS).

So you also know nothing about the French revolution or the conditions that led to that breaking point. Why am I not surprised.

I'm just hoping that the US will not try "experimenting" with things like this in our society. This is why it is important to keep this country from becoming a Socialist nation as it's the first step to communism and the destruction of our wonderful Republic and the freedoms that come with it.

With so many idiots who cheer on authoritarianism and the disenfranchising of the working class, we're already well on our way to losing many of our freedoms. Hopefully we can save some of what's left.

People may either doubt this or hide the fact they are aware of it, but Western society already has a form of a social credit system with the oligarchy of SJW's controlling the minds and lives of others. If a company puts out an ad that displays a minority, a person tweets something "insensitive" 10 years ago, a great president tries to make his country great again, etc., then the Social Justice "Warriors" come to the rescue to promote how much better they are then others and get them shut down, silenced, or just destroy their lives.

Please tell me you're aware that "socialist oligarchy" is a contradiction. It pains me to think you might be stupid enough to believe otherwise.

Even though they are a very small percentage of our population, they seem to have too much power. This is only because we let them have power by refusing to stand up to them.

Finally, something we agree on. I can't wait to see all the Republicans lining up to join in protests of businesses that refuse service to LGBTQ individuals simply on the basis of their sexual orientation. Then we can team up to protest Facebook holding too much power over society and refusing service to some conservatives simply on the basis of their opinions. Consistency is key, after all.

I do not want any kind of social credit system implemented into our lives, China's or otherwise because I believe in freedom and liberty. Hopefully, we will all wake up and prevent this from happening.

It's unfortunate that so many powerful individuals (such as the president of the United States) are unwilling to stand up for democracy in Hong Kong and around the globe. But yes, as a collective the people of the US still wield a fair amount of power to fight against tyranny. Let's hope our education system isn't so far degraded that the majority instead support that brand of tyranny when the tipping point does come.

(except for xzi, he can move to Venezuela which I heard is a Socialist paradise. )

Certainly better than the late-stage capitalism of mainland China. If conditions warrant it, however, I was thinking of moving somewhere more along the lines of Denmark or another Scandinavian country.

 

[morvoran]

Ok dude, you're right. You're a genius, we're all wrong and evil and you are the saving grace that the world needs most. Godspeed, @morvoran !

Do we even have a guillotine large enough for all of Trump's chins?

Check and... mate!

Democratic socialism.

You can put words together all you want, doesn't change the end goal (see Congo Democratic Republic).

It's the Trump administration that's trying to trample on our 14th and 1st amendment rights.

Wrong! The 14th amendment was only supposed to apply to freed slaves. Trump is protecting 1st amendment rights. He is against "opinions and lies" becoming "facts and truths".

So you also know nothing about the French revolution or the conditions that led to that breaking point.

It was something about Princesses letting people eat cake and then getting her head cut off.

With so many idiots who cheer on authoritarianism and the disenfranchising of the working class, we're already well on our way to losing many of our freedoms. Hopefully we can save some of what's left.

Yeah, just like putting a stop to coal mining and sending jobs to foreign countries such as China. You seem like a democrat but then you contradict yourself. What's going on here?

Please tell me you're aware that "socialist oligarchy" is a contradiction.

Never said socialist oligarchy, but yeah, call a duck a duck. Maybe you need to look up the true definition of those things.

protests of businesses that refuse service to LGBTQ individuals simply on the basis of their sexual orientation.

Not sure where you got this from? From the publication, "Leftist Propaganda Weekly"? Nobody has been refused service because of LGBTQ reasons. Just because a business that waxes real lady parts is unable to wax a predatory pedophile's "frank and beans" due to no training is not discrimination.

Then we can team up to protest Facebook holding too much power over society.

Ok, sign me up.

It's unfortunate that so many powerful individuals (such as the president of the United States) are unwilling to stand up for democracy in Hong Kong and around the globe.

Why, then, are so many other countries (including the people in Hong Kong) so supportive of Trump? What exactly do you want him to do? Send weapons and military force to Hong Kong to fight against China? I don't think so, Buck-O.

The only countries against Trump are Iran and the US(just the Democratics).

If conditions warrant it, however, I was thinking of moving somewhere more along the lines of Denmark or another Scandinavian country.

As long as they don't have internet service, I'll help pay your ticket there. I think you'll be disappointed when you find out how strict they are on "legal" immigration and how much they support capitalism.

 

[notimp]

You can put words together all you want, doesn't change the end goal (see Congo Democratic Republic).

Aha.

Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism#Asia
Look here: http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/democratic-socialist-countries/

The card also doest mark some countries in europe as being run using a form of democratic socialism, that are - so there are more.

 

[Xzi]

You can put words together all you want, doesn't change the end goal (see Congo Democratic Republic).

Sure, claiming to be something you aren't (lying) has always been a thing, but Bernie Sanders has been extremely consistent throughout his entire life and career. The same can't be said of former "Democrat" Donald Trump.

Wrong! The 14th amendment was only supposed to apply to freed slaves. Trump is protecting 1st amendment rights. He is against "opinions and lies" becoming "facts and truths".

He's against constitutional law as it's written for the sake of his own power-grubbing. The history of the 14th amendment and various rulings on it are clear.

It was something about Princesses letting people eat cake and then getting her head cut off.

You're close to remembering one aspect of it, the apathy of the rich toward the starving and the poor. I suggest you read up on it and maybe you'll see some of the parallels to the modern US.

Yeah, just like putting a stop to coal mining and sending jobs to foreign countries such as China. You seem like a democrat but then you contradict yourself. What's going on here?

Coal is a dying industry. Those jobs are disappearing, not being outsourced to other countries. The progressive solution is to re-train those workers into the installation and production of renewable energy sources, though there are other industries we could transition them to as well.

Never said socialist oligarchy, but yeah, call a duck a duck. Maybe you need to look up the true definition of those things.

No words are capable of describing this level of stupidity. So instead here's an alligator duck:

Not sure where you got this from? From the publication, "Leftist Propaganda Weekly"? Nobody has been refused service because of LGBTQ reasons. Just because a business that waxes real lady parts is unable to wax a predatory pedophile's "frank and beans" due to no training is not discrimination.

I have a hard time believing you hadn't heard of this case in which the supreme court ruled in favor of a baker who refused to serve a gay couple. It was fairly high-profile and all over various news outlets at the time.

Ok, sign me up.

As long as we're on the same page about refusal of service from ANY business for ANY reason, I'm in too. Fight the impending oligarchy. Enforce antitrust laws.

Why, then, are so many other countries (including the people in Hong Kong) so supportive of Trump? What exactly do you want him to do? Send weapons and military force to Hong Kong to fight against China? I don't think so, Buck-O.

Even just a statement of support for the protests would be great to see, instead of calling them "riots" and seemingly throwing his support behind the Chinese government.

As long as they don't have internet service, I'll help pay your ticket there. I think you'll be disappointed when you find out how strict they are on "legal" immigration and how much they support capitalism.

Of course they have internet, probably faster and less expensive than the service in the US too. I don't mind a little capitalism as long as there's enough socialist influence to balance it out, and the country actually provides for its working class by managing tax expenditures responsibly. This is all still just a big "if" anyway. I'm holding out some hope that the US doesn't go full retard in electing Trump to a second term, especially with his increasingly terrible poll numbers even among states that voted for him in 2016.

 

[notimp]

World population currently under 'democratic socialism' 1 billion. (According to the site with the map).

Population of the Congo: 80 million.



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This definition wins:

Democratic socialism describes a socialist economy where production and wealth are collectively owned [currently down to state majority ownership of voting shares for key companies in key sectors], but the country has a democratic system of government. The goal of democratic socialism is to achieve socialist goals of equality while opposing socialist ideologies. Democratic socialism is opposed to the Soviet economic model, command economies and authoritarian governance.

Under Democratic socialism, the ownership of private property is limited. The government regulates the economy. There are also different programs that offer assistance and pensions.

 

[morvoran]

Bernie Sanders has been extremely consistent throughout his entire life and career.

He preaches to the masses but doesn't live the way he expects others to. He couldn't even pay his staff $15/hr like he is proposing every company in the US does. How about owning multiple houses and being a millionaire? I'm sure some unfortunate homeless and poverty stricken souls could use those houses and a cut of his wealth.

He's against constitutional law as it's written for the sake of his own power-grubbing. The history of the 14th amendment and various rulings on it are clear.

First line - Wrong! Second line - just other people's interpretations of the law to abuse the true meaning of the 14th for their own gains.

Coal is a dying industry. Those jobs are disappearing, not being outsourced to other countries. The progressive solution is to re-train those workers into the installation and production of renewable energy sources, though there are other industries we could transition them to as well.

Coal is not dead. People still have those jobs. Renewable energy sources are scams and not affordable. You can't build them without using coal or other fossil fuels. I'm not for nuclear power, but it is a whole lot better option than wind or solar.

No words are capable of describing this level of stupidity.

I can think of one 3 letter word that be used to describe something stupid. (hint: rhymes with Xzi)

I have a hard time believing you hadn't heard of this case in which the supreme court ruled in favor of a baker who refused to serve a gay couple.

They didn't refuse service because they were gay. They refused service because they didn't want to make a "gay cake". If they wanted a plain cake and made it gay themselves, they could have bought one. If I came into your bakery asking for a cake that had Trump's face with "Greatest President of All Time", would you make it for me? I have my doubts you would. If I happened to be a gay black trump supporter and you chose not to, is that discrimination and I can sue you three times?

seemingly throwing his support behind the Chinese government.

Oh, like imposing higher tariffs on China. Good way to show support.

Of course they have internet, probably faster and less expensive than the service in the US too.

Critical thinking and reading comprehension are valuable here. If I have to explain everything to you, it takes the fun out of it. I was saying that if you were to move to a country without internet service, I would help you move there. I was joking about you not being able to post more of your nonsense on here or anywhere on the internet.

 

[Viri]

Well yeah, revolution doesn't work if the majority of the population (mainland China in this case) see themselves as somehow above the fray due to their short-sightedness and/or complacency. It's guaranteed to come back and bite them in the ass later, though.

The only one who can save China from the CCP, is China them self. The only way the west can battle China is messing with their economy to the point where companies move out of there, and into other cheaper countries.

China is the Soviet Union 2.0, but with the foresight of knowing what made the Soviet Union collapse.

 

[Xzi]

I'm sure some unfortunate homeless and poverty stricken souls could use those houses and a cut of his wealth.

Literally a problem that he's written bills to correct and has policy proposals to address as a presidential candidate. Sanders has no issue with paying more in taxes himself.

First line - Wrong! Second line - just other people's interpretations of the law to abuse the true meaning of the 14th for their own gains.

If you can't even be arsed to read the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, there's nothing more to discuss on this topic. It's in plain English.

Coal is not dead. People still have those jobs. Renewable energy sources are scams and not affordable.

You know it's dying when they can't even afford to issue final paychecks to their workers that won't bounce. And your facts are way outdated on renewable energy, wind comes in at an average of $0.06 per kilowatt hour, solar at $0.10 average, and fossil fuels anywhere between $0.05 and $0.17. Renewable electricity will be consistently less expensive than fossil fuels within a year.

I can think of one 3 letter word that be used to describe something stupid.

"Hurr durr I'm moronran, I think the means of production can be controlled by both the workers and a small group of billionaires simultaneously! Watch out for that socialist oligarchy and that communist capitalism coming to getcha!"

They didn't refuse service because they were gay. They refused service because they didn't want to make a "gay cake".

It was a wedding cake, not a penis cake for Christ sake. If you start making exceptions for "religious reasons," then businesses can also refuse service for political reasons, and we're right back where we started. Seems you do like the idea of oligarchy after all.

Oh, like imposing higher tariffs on China. Good way to show support.

That does nothing to demonstrate a pro-democracy stance. Just a pro-capitalism one, and China is already capitalist. Using that money to incentivize manufacturing moving to another country would've been a much smarter move, but unfortunately Trump isn't exactly known for his smarts.

Critical thinking and reading comprehension are valuable here. If I have to explain everything to you, it takes the fun out of it. I was saying that if you were to move to a country without internet service, I would help you move there. I was joking about you not being able to post more of your nonsense on here or anywhere on the internet.

Having no internet would run contradictory to my initial statement: "I'll be laughing at you reaping what you've sown from a country that doesn't trample over its working class citizens."

 

[morvoran]

Literally a problem that he's written bills to correct and has policy proposals to address as a presidential candidate. Sanders has no issue with paying more in taxes himself.

So he's written bills to make him give up his extra homes? He may not have a issue paying slightly more in taxes, but he seems to keep moving the goal post with every million he makes. Before becoming a millionaire from his book, he was always talking about millionaires and billionaires paying their "fair share". Now it's just the billionaires that have to pay a lot more. Hmm, funny how that works.

If you can't even be arsed to read the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, there's nothing more to discuss on this topic. It's in plain English.

Try picking up a history book that covers the time pre-2016, or in your people's language - "BT" or the time Before Trump.

And your facts are way outdated on renewable energy, wind comes in at an average of $0.06 per kilowatt hour, solar at $0.10 average, and fossil fuels anywhere between $0.05 and $0.17. Renewable electricity will be consistently less expensive than fossil fuels within a year.

Yeah, about that -
Epic fail of renewables causes Texas town to have $1200 per year higher power bills

It was a wedding cake, not a penis cake for Christ sake.

Don't you know that a true Christian spontaneously combusts if they put two men or two women statues on a wedding cake at the same time? And what does a penis cake have to do with this? They aren't gay... are they?

But seriously, most small businesses have the right to refuse service to anybody. They shouldn't, not because of discrimination, but because they will lose business. The government shouldn't dictate who anybody does business with as long as it's not a critical service they provide such as healthcare.

If I don't want to sell you a cake with 2 dudes on it, go next door, maybe they will. If you want to buy a blank cake and put two dudes on it yourself, we're good. Suing a Christian bakery for not selling gay cakes is like suing a barbecue restaurant for not having vegetarian options or suing a waxing salon for women only because they're not willing to wax some guys dick and balls.

China is already capitalist.

Umm, no, they are communist.

Having no internet would run contradictory to my initial statement

but it would keep you from spewing the junk you do. Again, I was joking as I want you to stay in the US to benefit from Trump's second term. Plus, I need to collect those leftist tears on Nov. 4th next year.

 

[Xzi]

So he's written bills to make him give up his extra homes? He may not have a issue paying slightly more in taxes, but he seems to keep moving the goal post with every million he makes.

He hasn't asked anyone to give up their homes, nor changed any of his proposed tax increases. Stop fabricating bullshit.

Try picking up a history book that covers the time pre-2016, or in your people's language - "BT" or the time Before Trump.

Nobody needs a needs a history book to know what "shall not be infringed" means. Even Brett Kavanaugh couldn't possibly get drunk enough to misinterpret the 14th amendment, which is why Trump has settled on attacking military families who have children overseas rather than trying to repeal it.

Yeah, about that -
Epic fail of renewables causes Texas town to have $1200 per year higher power bills

What the fuck is this supposed to be, some rando's Myspace blog? Nice source.

But seriously, most small businesses have the right to refuse service to anybody. They shouldn't, not because of discrimination, but because they will lose business. The government shouldn't dictate who anybody does business with as long as it's not a critical service they provide such as healthcare.

If I don't want to sell you a cake with 2 dudes on it, go next door, maybe they will. If you want to buy a blank cake and put two dudes on it yourself, we're good. Suing a Christian bakery for not selling gay cakes is like suing a barbecue restaurant for not having vegetarian options or suing a waxing salon for women only because they're not willing to wax some guys dick and balls.

Do you not see how the same logic would apply to social media? If Facebook doesn't want to cater to your alt-right opinions, go next door to Voat. Either any reason is sufficient to deny a person service, or no reason is.

Umm, no, they are communist.

Your own source shows that China's inequality of wealth and income is second only to America's. The rich get richer there and the poor get poorer. That's not communism. As you've already pointed out, it's very easy to purport to be something you aren't.

but it would keep you from spewing the junk you do. Again, I was joking as I want you to stay in the US to benefit from Trump's second term. Plus, I need to collect those leftist tears on Nov. 4th next year.

If Joe Biden secures the nomination, I'll immediately be looking in to securing residency elsewhere. Neoliberalism is hardly any better than Trump's neoconservatism, and either way this country would be headed down the path of implementing a social credit score akin to China's. To quote someone else, a Biden presidency would be like "rotating the tires on a car with four flats."

 

[morvoran]

What the fuck is this supposed to be, some rando's Myspace blog? Nice source.

That site is more reliable and less biased than CNN, Vice or Vox. Plus it doesn't fit into any of your leftist rag's agendas, so it's hard to find another source than Fox News. Even though Fox News is reliable, you've been brainwashed to not listen to them.

He hasn't asked anyone to give up their homes, nor changed any of his proposed tax increases. Stop fabricating bullshit.

Because he doesn't want to give up his extra houses, durp. Can you prove he hasn't changed his proposed tax increases since his book? Nope.

Nobody needs a needs a history book to know what "shall not be infringed" means. Even Brett Kavanaugh couldn't possibly get drunk enough to misinterpret the 14th amendment, which is why Trump has settled on attacking military families who have children overseas rather than trying to repeal it.

Try Wikipedia, first line states - The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. Arguably one of the most consequential amendments to this day, the amendment addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War.
I hope Wikipedia is not too much like a myspace blog to you, too.

Also, the full first line of the 14th is - All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

An unborn child of an illegal immigrant is not "subject to the jurisdiction" as the mother is not a legal citizen, so they were never intended to be given citizenship under the 14th amendment. It only pertained to freed slaves to protect their rights.

Do you not see how the same logic would apply to social media? If Facebook doesn't want to cater to your alt-right opinions, go next door to Voat.

That's why I don't use Facebook, also because they sell their users' personal information.
Plus, they are considered a "public forum" and are not supposed to control the information posted to their site unless the information posted is illegal such as pedophilia, bestiality, murder, etc. This is why they have protections under the law preventing them from being sued for the content that their users post. If they want to control speech, then they are a publisher and lose those protections.

If Joe Biden secures the nomination, I'll immediately be looking in to securing residency elsewhere. Neoliberalism is hardly any better than Trump's neoconservatism, and either way this country would be headed down the path of implementing a social credit score akin to China's.

Well, better start packing your bags because it's looking good for creepy uncle beta Joe Biden.
If Bernie wins (it was so hard to type that without busting out laughing ), that is when we start getting a socialist credit score which is worse than China's social credit score.
If you're score is too high, the new Sander's Gestapo will come and remove your property to be consolidated and passed around to those with lower scores to "even things out". Good thing Trump is going to win in 2020.

 

[Xzi]

That site is more reliable and less biased than CNN, Vice or Vox. Plus it doesn't fit into any of your leftist rag's agendas, so it's hard to find another source than Fox News. Even though Fox News is reliable, you've been brainwashed to not listen to them.

If your only options for sources are a personal blog and an opinion piece from Tucker Carlson, that's a pretty good indicator that the story you're trying to push is altogether bullshit. I can link potentially hundreds of other sources on the current price of wind/solar versus fossil fuels, if you'd like.

Because he doesn't want to give up his extra houses, durp.

Because that's never ever been one of his proposals. Not a single millionaire/billionaire is about to be out on the street if their profits are taxed more.

Try Wikipedia, first line states - The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. Arguably one of the most consequential amendments to this day, the amendment addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War.
I hope Wikipedia is not too much like a myspace blog to you, too.

I still don't understand how you think this changes the text of the 14th amendment. If it was meant to only apply to slaves from that time onward, it would have stated as much.

Also, the full first line of the 14th is - All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
An unborn child of an illegal immigrant is not "subject to the jurisdiction" as the mother is not a legal citizen, so they were never intended to be given citizenship under the 14th amendment. It only pertained to freed slaves to protect their rights.

I never said unborn children were citizens or had the same rights (though pro-lifers might argue that they do), the 14th clearly states they have to be born here first.

That's why I don't use Facebook, also because they sell their users' personal information.
Plus, they are considered a "public forum" and are not supposed to control the information posted to their site unless the information posted is illegal such as pedophilia, bestiality, murder, etc. This is why they have protections under the law preventing them from being sued for the content that their users post. If they want to control speech, then they are a publisher and lose those protections.

Except they are subject to losing advertisers as well as being sued by individuals/corporations if they host copyrighted materials without permission. It's definitely a legal grey area, but so is denying service to customers for any other reason. As long as we elect politicians who take lobbyist money, nothing is going to change on that front.

Well, better start packing your bags because it's looking good for creepy uncle beta Joe Biden.

In which case corporations can't possibly lose in the 2020 election, and we descend further into oligarchy. Precisely the reason I wouldn't be sticking around.

If Bernie wins (it was so hard to type that without busting out laughing ), that is when we start getting a socialist credit score which is worse than China's social credit score.

"Socialist credit score," otherwise known as providing the working class a living wage and unburdening us from medical/student debts. Sounds good to me.

If you're score is too high, the new Sander's Gestapo will come and remove your property to be consolidated and passed around to those with lower scores to "even things out".

So basically taxes, except they go toward providing assistance to people who need it rather than paying for corporate welfare. Only smooth-brained corporate bootlickers could possibly spin this as a negative.

 

[morvoran]

@Xzi It's almost like you're not reading what I said and just start spewing out leftist diarrhea. WOW!

If your only options for sources are a personal blog and an opinion piece from Tucker Carlson, that's a pretty good indicator that the story you're trying to push is altogether bullshit. I can link potentially hundreds of other sources on the current price of wind/solar versus fossil fuels, if you'd like.

I can post several hundred sources, too, but since they're not leftist tabloid sites like CNN, you wouldn't take them seriously.

Not a single millionaire/billionaire is about to be out on the street if their profits are taxed more.

Pure speculation on your part. You can't know this as you don't know how his crazy tax plan will affect businesses. If I tried to explain the true economical effects to you, you'd go "whoosh".

I still don't understand how you think this changes the text of the 14th amendment.

OMG, it doesn't change the text of the 14th, it is the original text.

I never said unborn children were citizens or had the same rights (though pro-lifers might argue that they do), the 14th clearly states they have to be born here first.

Oh, GEEZ-US, they have to be under the jurisdiction of the state before being born to be given citizenship at birth. This is why they are now saying babies born to US citizens in other countries will not get citizenship because they are not under the jurisdiction at birth.

Except they are subject to losing advertisers as well as being sued by individuals/corporations if they host copyrighted materials without permission.

Key words there "if they host copyrighted materials without permission."

Precisely the reason I wouldn't be sticking around.

Good, take all your leftist friends with you, too.

"Socialist credit score," otherwise known as providing the working class a living wage and unburdening us from medical/student debts.

Oh, like having people that paid off their own debts start paying off everybody else's that didn't work hard enough to become debt free? Sounds fair to me, not.

So basically taxes, except they go toward providing assistance to people who need it rather than paying for corporate welfare. Only smooth-brained corporate bootlickers could possibly spin this as a negative.

so basically theft but called "taxes". Taxes are meant to be your "fair share" of helping keep the nation great. When you want to start taking more than I should pay, that is now theft.

Again, all the Bernie talk is moot since he's not even going to be the democrat nominee let alone the president, so we might as well stop talking about it.

 

[Ericthegreat]

Interesting, they know China is on its way to becoming the #1 target audience of companies due to its population, and how their econemy is getting stronger, so they are pretty much preparing to force companies to follow their system. And in reality it will be "make executives the people we chose or you get a lower rating", and don't doubt they will enable themselves to play the market early.