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lolguys get a grip, there's no conspirancy. As I already said, if the ref was against you he would've sent Rafael off and would've not disallowed that Higuain goal.
And look at this:
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That's the ref perspective, you can't blame, it does seem like a red, it's a studs up challenge that hit the other player and he has no replay. And that's no momentum, he doesn't even seem to try to back off his leg, he actually seems to try to dig his cleats on Arbeloa ribs.
Also, I don't think the "he didn't see Arbeloa" excuse is fair. Can I do a 2 footed studs-up tacke and I won't be sent off as long as I close my eyes? :tpi:
 
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all the gifs people are producing take the incidents out of context some , your only seeing the very incident and not the play leading to it.. its a little biased.
 

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all the gifs people are producing take the incidents out of context some , your only seeing the very incident and not the play leading to it.. its a little biased.
The play leading to it means you are talking about intent. Against common belief, intent does not exist in the rules of football. Look it up..

Dangerous play = Red card.
Could the referee just give him a yellow and let it slide? Definetly.
Was the red card a wrong decision that is not backed up by football rules? Absolutely not.
 
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Am I the only person who doesn't give a shit about the Nani red card?

Honestly, its times like these I'm glad I support a club who have spent of their time being shit. You don't this much whiny shit.
 

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Thought the red was unlucky, Rafael was lucky to not at least give a penalty away, but no-one seems to be mentioning the Varane tackle on Evra in the first match(Last man, took Evra out) and the fact that Lopez missed the ball and punched Vidic in the head in the penalty box, nothing given for either.
 

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All this discussion for something that should have been avoided years ago. GG FIFA, really, well done. Technology you bastards
Not really getting your point? The only tech discussed was goal line tech. Not sure what you think could have been done?
 

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Not really getting your point? The only tech discussed was goal line tech. Not sure what you think could have been done?
Goalline technology is a good step forward, (finally). But it should have been here 20 years ago already.

Every fricking day there are still wrong decisions in a first level league somewhere around the world. Offside while it's not offside. Penalty while it's not a penalty. Diving. Tackles wrong interpreted. Yellow that should have been a red. You name it, it happens. Everyday. EVERY DAY people get ripped off this way.
So what I think should be done? TV-images during the match, especially in the multi-million matches like the Utd-RMa game. Just ridiculous.
 

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Goalline technology is a good step forward, (finally). But it should have been here 20 years ago already.

Every fricking day there are still wrong decisions in a first level league somewhere around the world. Offside while it's not offside. Penalty while it's not a penalty. Diving. Tackles wrong interpreted. Yellow that should have been a red. You name it, it happens. Everyday. EVERY DAY people get ripped off this way.
So what I think should be done? TV-images during the match, especially in the multi-million matches like the Utd-RMa game. Just ridiculous.
While I do agree with goal line technology and maybe TV images for diving, I think it would be tough to implement anything else.

The way I think about it is, let's take Nani's incident as an example:
It could've been red, could've been yellow. Now imagine if there were TV images across the stadium. Everyone will have their own opinion, and it would simply undermine the authority of the referees. Not to mention the amount of pressure the crowd will put on the referee, or even worse, hooliganism in the crowd if they truly believe that the referee is making the wrong decision (after rewatching these images live!)

Also, this would make a 90 minute game much much longer if they stop a play every few minutes for anything wrong :/

However, I'm thinking maybe they can implement something like the challenge system in tennis. Let's say each team can have 3 wrongful challenges a match, but would is responsible to taking those challenges. The coach? Team captain? It will still stop the match quite a but though..

I think goal line technology, tv images showing diving attempts and maybe handballs resulting in PK are maybe the only realistic options that could be implemented
 

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As can be expected, Arsenal fans parading around grinding their teeth into a red card decision. Wenger's taught you guys his 'philosophy' well. And don't make some sarcastic 'we're the last english team in ucl' shit up. The only reason you guys haven't been buried alive by Munich yet is because you haven't played the 2nd leg yet. If the schedules had switched up, you'd be comfortably out of every cup competition and out of the UCL spots to boot. So cya in Europe next season... NOT!

Never did get to watch the match [they showed just Dortmund - [insert the other team's name here; forgot it] match live]. Therefore, the only comment I have on Nani's red card is this: If you drove into the railroad when the train is coming, isn't it your fault if it T-bones you to smithereens? Coz that's what Arbeloa did - he ran right into the path of an oncoming high boot. Last I heard, Nani hasn't developed flight yet, so how the fucking fuck was he supposed to stop in mid-air?

Also, about the 'digging his boot in' shit... you guys obviously don't understand shit. Nani's legs folded. If he was 'digging in' his leg would have straightened out and he would have rebounded off Arbeloa. In fact, letting your leg fold up is a way to diminish impact. It's a basic of freerunning/parkour; if your leg folds, your joints lessen impact. Everything after that is just tumbling ungainly in mid-air.

In fact, you can't even say Arbeloa was going for the ball. The GIF shows he clearly hasn't started a motion to control the ball with either his leg or his head, and I don't see how he'd be able to keep it in bounds if he lets it bounce off his chest. His arms were moving, but that isn't how you control the ball in FOOTball, now is it? Also, never mind if Nani saw Arbeloa or not... didn't he see Nani?

Anyways, that's done. We wish Real the best in their future endeavors. At least United still has 2 trophies to go for, unlike the majority of the internet hangers-on who are actually Arsenal/Chelsea/City/whatever fans who go on and on about it. Too early for you guys to be having delusions of glory for next season, I know. Glad our grief is providing you so much joy. Football was made to be enjoyed, after all.

...

So, media's having a field day doing "Fergie selling Rooney" stories now... *rolls eyes*. This time, at least, they had enough creativity to say he's going to PSG, not usual suspects Madrid [or Barca, even]. Sounds ridiculous, though. Apparently, they got tired of the "Ronaldo back to United" story.

Does anyone think this has any factual basis at all? Seems weird to think that SAF is building [or rebuilding] the team then he sells Rooney.
 
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While I do agree with goal line technology and maybe TV images for diving, I think it would be tough to implement anything else.

The way I think about it is, let's take Nani's incident as an example:
It could've been red, could've been yellow. Now imagine if there were TV images across the stadium. Everyone will have their own opinion, and it would simply undermine the authority of the referees. Not to mention the amount of pressure the crowd will put on the referee, or even worse, hooliganism in the crowd if they truly believe that the referee is making the wrong decision (after rewatching these images live!)

Also, this would make a 90 minute game much much longer if they stop a play every few minutes for anything wrong :/

However, I'm thinking maybe they can implement something like the challenge system in tennis. Let's say each team can have 3 wrongful challenges a match, but would is responsible to taking those challenges. The coach? Team captain? It will still stop the match quite a but though..

I think goal line technology, tv images showing diving attempts and maybe handballs resulting in PK are maybe the only realistic options that could be implemented
They shouldn't show it on a big screen of course, they should just have someone up there where the television commentators sit and have a look at the images. This can be done in under a minute, easily. There are sooooo many people there already that have the job to referee the game, they can easily get a screen, watch, and communicate with the referee.
You've got a point there to show how many times they should check the images, but again, this can be done rather quickly. It takes TV barely 5 seconds or even less to replay an offside situation, so it shouldn't take that much time either to communicate it to the referee.

But how it's now done, with all the responsibility resting on 4 or 6 guys, is just incredible and plain crazy. Not to say inhuman and it will always rise suspicion (easily bribed/influenced)

Bad refereeing decisions really ruin the sports and are the sole reason I'm not paying that much attention to football anymore. Too much bullshit and just not wanting to change.
 

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The best way to do it is to track every player and the ball. Get a computer to run real-time calculations on speed, direction, elevation etc of the 22 men and the ball. No more problems with offside calls or checking tackles or checking who ran into who. I mean, there are simulators and analytical systems using the same idea, why not use it to help officiating?
 

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They shouldn't show it on a big screen of course, they should just have someone up there where the television commentators sit and have a look at the images. This can be done in under a minute, easily. There are sooooo many people there already that have the job to referee the game, they can easily get a screen, watch, and communicate with the referee.
You've got a point there to show how many times they should check the images, but again, this can be done rather quickly. It takes TV barely 5 seconds or even less to replay an offside situation, so it shouldn't take that much time either to communicate it to the referee.

But how it's now done, with all the responsibility resting on 4 or 6 guys, is just incredible and plain crazy. Not to say inhuman and it will always rise suspicion (easily bribed/influenced)

Bad refereeing decisions really ruin the sports and are the sole reason I'm not paying that much attention to football anymore. Too much bullshit and just not wanting to change.
Good points, still a few problems though:

- If they don't show it on big screen, and just have someone "up there" look at the images, then effectively, the referee did not a replay of that incident, which means the call would be taken by someone other than the referee. Remember, the other referees are called assistant referees, and the main referee is not inclined to go with what they say (except in offsides of course). This wouldn't be possible in the case of the replay, as he would have to take the call from someone else (makes his place in the field kinda useless don't you think?)

- Again, those replays may be used effectively with dives, offsides, and whether it crossed the goal line or not, as the rules are clear on that one. Fouls and something like Nani's incident are judgement calls. One ref would call it a red, the other would call it a yellow. That makes it impossible for the main ref to not watch the replay and relay on someone else to take the call. Besides, there is an aim to make the game running with minimum stopping time as possible, which is why it's ok to play a foul right away without having the wall being ready (Not all plays are the same though, there are rules for that. Such as the players of the team that has the foul asking the ref to have the other team go behind the playing distance)

- Think about offside instances, how would that even work? Let the play go ahead every single time and THEN check the replay? What if the ball never goes out? what if the team scores indirectly from that offside (as in, the 2nd team regained possesion, kicked it far away, and then the first scored). Technically, it's a different play, but it will still be a result of an offside

While I'm all in favor of Technology, I still see it hard for anything other than dives, handballs or fouls resulting in PKs, and goal line technology implemented.

I agree that bad refereeing decisions are really ruining a lot in sports (such as Pepe's red card against barca in UCL that turned out to be a dive 2 years ago), but what can be done, they are human afterall.
I'm an amateur referee btw, (only ref for local teams over here) and I gotta tell ya, people really dive in a way that looks totally real! It's really tough to not call that in the game. No matter how unfair it is, some teams will get an unjust calls from that. It's a part of football.

What I do suggest though, in terms of diving, to have a rule or something that whoever dives should get a 10 match ban or even more, and just list it under "non-sportsmanship behaviour" .. People can call it extreme in the cases of fouls, as some fouls cannot be avoided. But a dive is never anything but cheating. If there was minimal contact which led a player to fall and was not called for a penatly, then that wouldn't be considered a dive. But something that is a clear dive should have such extreme ban, and then no one can cry about it. It can easily be inforced as the ban would be taken post match (as in, after all replays and documentations have been submitted)

That's my 2 cents about this :)
 
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Are people really crying over officiating? Seriously football is great because of the unpredictability and controversy of it. To place such extreme rationality to it would take away from the game.
Generally, yes I would actually agree with you. The unpredictablilty and controversy of it is great. But that is only fir spectators like us. Think about those times, to work hard and feel robbed of a game in the end..

If it happened in the league, might not matter much and the controversy would be great.. They have 38 matches in total (well, in most leagues) to make up for it. But it really sucks to lose in whatever cup and leave the tournament because of a ludacris decision.

Think about Maradona's hand goal. It gave them the world cup!
Think about England's controversial goal in WC 1966, could have lost if it wasn't for that goal
Think about lampard's disallowed goal against Germany in 2010. I truly believe that not only would England not have lost 4-1, but I think they would've taken the match!

Controversy makes football great, sure, but maybe not when it actually matters..
Makes it feel like football was fixed :/
 

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Generally, yes I would actually agree with you. The unpredictablilty and controversy of it is great. But that is only fir spectators like us. Think about those times, to work hard and feel robbed of a game in the end../

Shit happens. Deal with it. I saw that someone who has seen lower league football on a regular basis and witnessed some real shit officiating.

Think about Maradona's hand goal. It gave them the world cup!
Think about England's controversial goal in WC 1966, could have lost if it wasn't for that goal
Think about lampard's disallowed goal against Germany in 2010. I truly believe that not only would England not have lost 4-1, but I think they would've taken the match!
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I'm welsh I don't care.

Makes it feel like football was fixed :/

Only a whinging girl would feel like that.
 

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lol shinigami, first of all, why do you use plural when talking about arsenal fans when BI didn't even talk about the red card? He just joked about us surviving longer, which brings me to my second point. WE WERE JOKING FFS. I don't know if it's because you're still mad but it was bloody obvious it was a joke, I even stated it, and those "witty" remarks just make you seem butthurt, we even made it clear it would take a miracle/incredible luck to beat bayern over 2 legs.
You seem to not be able to take criticism, this is not a ManU forum, just because I support a different team doesn't mean I can't state my opinion, I generally take criticism against Arsenal normally, and most of us here do, I can't have a civil discussion with flame, satangel or any other ManU fan without you coming with your "butthurt Arsenal" fan whining, it just looks incredily inmature and make your arguments less credible. I was just making a point of why the red was not as "scandalous", as the media make it out to be, and there's no conspirancy against you.
Also, that .gif was not to "take it out of context" it was to show what the ref perspective was, remember he has no replay. BTW I think ryo's clapping to the ref and saf not showing up at the conference was incredibly childish and it's fun how the media justifies it, if Arsene hadn't shown after that Barca game when van persie was sent off, the media would've had a field day criticising him as a "sore loser" or something like that.
BTW, that ref's twitter were he follows Madrid was false.
 
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lol shinigami, first of all, why do you use plural when talking about arsenal fans when BI didn't even talk about the red card? He just joked about us surviving longer, which brings me to my second point. WE WERE JOKING FFS. I don't know if it's because you're still mad but it was bloody obvious it was a joke, I even stated it, and those "witty" remarks just make you seem butthurt, we even made it clear it would take a miracle/incredible luck to beat bayern over 2 legs.
You seem to not be able to take criticism, this is not a ManU forum, just because I support a different team doesn't mean I can't state my opinion, I generally take criticism against Arsenal normally, and most of us here do, I can't have a civil discussion with flame, satangel or any other ManU fan without you coming with your "butthurt Arsenal" fan whining, it just looks incredily inmature and make your arguments less credible. I was just making a point of why the red was not as "scandalous", as the media make it out to be, and there's no conspirancy against you.
Also, that .gif was not to "take it out of context" it was to show what the ref perspective was, remember he has no replay. BTW I think ryo's clapping to the ref and saf not showing up at the conference was incredibly childish and it's fun how the media justifies it, if Arsene hadn't shown after that Barca game when van persie was sent off, the media would've had a field day criticising him as a "sore loser" or something like that.
BTW, that ref's twitter were he follows Madrid was false.
I would ignore them if I were you. I'm a Man U fan and it is clear that they are buttheart with nothing substantial to go on..

Eh, if that's what takes them to move forward, so be it
 

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