The benefits of Brexit - the future of the United Kingdom

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The government on Sunday announced a plan to issue temporary visas for 5,000 foreign truck drivers.

...I can't believe I actually read that.

Temporary visas? TEMPORARY?! :wtf:

The freaking transport sector is strained in the UK for MONTHS, and this is how they hope to get them back? God dammit!

The rest of the article rightfully tears apart this pathetic attempt of the government to resolve the issue.

But honestly: I'm with Olaf Scholz (potential new German chanchellor) on this. Including the way how he puts it:

"The free movement of labour is part of the European Union, and we tried very hard to convince the British not to leave the Union. They decided differently. I hope they will manage the problems coming from that."

Well...I'd read the last part as "*snort* Heh... I sure hope they will manage the problems coming from that "decision". :tpi::creep:", but it's the same gist.

And for good reason: many truck drivers searched for other jobs during the pandemic because it doesn't pay the value it provides society. The UK's not the only country who faces that problems. But they'll feel it the hardest because they rather cather to the racists in the UK than tackle the problem.

fucking temporary...morons!
 
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Welp...so how's the UK doing as of lately?

Due to illnes, I've watched more youtube than normally, but even so it seems like the pace of deteriation is increasing.

I mean, look...last month it was the truck driver shortage. Has it been solved? No. Rather the contrary: now there's fuel shortages on top of those. Not throughout the UK, of course, but hardly insignificant (unless youtube commenters like to troll being victims while they aren't).

Direct consequence: in Northern Ireland, the protocol is more popular than ever. One even joked a recent held poll showed its popularity at a landslide percentage: 52%! So by brexit logic, all attempts to thwart and overturn this aspect of the oven ready deal should be terminated immediately because "the people have spoken" and...erm...something, something Democracy.

A few days ago, news got out of an actual brexit benefit. Not some half assed one either: it was about a law that couldn't be passed while under EU laws because that bureaucratic bunch has laws preventing passing of such laws.
I'm talking about water pollution, of course. No longer part of the EU? Here's a law proposal that allows UK firms to dump more waste into nearby rivers.
Oh, right: the benefit's only really applies to UK factory owners. Guess I should've mentioned that earlier. :rolleyes:

And meanwhile on the actual news there's the report of the upcoming fishing wars with France. What I make of it, that same "oven ready" deal included a clausule that would allow French fishers into UK waters, provided they got a permit.
The thing is: the UK isn't keen on handing out those permits, limiting their supply.
French fishers ain't happy with that at all, and now Macron's forced to act in kind. That is: until the dispute's settled, UK fishermen in French waters will get the same treaty. So it sounds like a political paper scheme rather than a war, but I wonder if both sides' media will report on the situation fairly or will miss out information in order to play the victim (I'm looking at you, UK).


...but even that's really small news. Y'all know me: I don't generally link every youtube channel I see. Guess this counts as an exception, because...well...James O'Brian just nails it so hard it hurts:

Why? Because the (I quote) "Office for Budget Responsibility has said the impact of Brexit on the economy will be worse than that caused by the ronavirus pandemic". As in: brexit's going to cost roughly twice what covid's costing the country.

Twice. The. Cost. Of. The. Covid-19. Pandemic.

Let that sink in and pretend that brexit is anything but a collossal failure.

Now I'd be pissed as well if I were a UK resident right now. All the remain voters have been ridiculed, marginalized and made out for crybabies and pessimists. All while being one hundred procent correct in the assesments. Brexiteers still think things like "sovereignty", "take back control" and "independence" is somehow more than a hollow phrase. That will lead to clashes.

In fact, that youtube video is downright firework. That caller just expects to be treated with respect, as if "I have a different opinion" somehow merits that. It doesn't. The news the UK will be MUCH worse off outside the EU gets James angry. And I've got to be honest: I wouldn't want to be on his bad side on this. He just chews up the caller and spits him out. Just not literally.

And frankly, I don't know why other brexiteers deserve any better treatment in the press.
 
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it's actually funny to watch in a karmic sort of way. like america has all sorts of problems right now but jesus christ UK, this was a stupid move.
 

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Welp...so how's the UK doing as of lately?

Due to illnes, I've watched more youtube than normally, but even so it seems like the pace of deteriation is increasing.

I mean, look...last month it was the truck driver shortage. Has it been solved? No. Rather the contrary: now there's fuel shortages on top of those. Not throughout the UK, of course, but hardly insignificant (unless youtube commenters like to troll being victims while they aren't).

Direct consequence: in Northern Ireland, the protocol is more popular than ever. One even joked a recent held poll showed its popularity at a landslide percentage: 52%! So by brexit logic, all attempts to thwart and overturn this aspect of the oven ready deal should be terminated immediately because "the people have spoken" and...erm...something, something Democracy.

A few days ago, news got out of an actual brexit benefit. Not some half assed one either: it was about a law that couldn't be passed while under EU laws because that bureaucratic bunch has laws preventing passing of such laws.
I'm talking about water pollution, of course. No longer part of the EU? Here's a law proposal that allows UK firms to dump more waste into nearby rivers.
Oh, right: the benefit's only really applies to UK factory owners. Guess I should've mentioned that earlier. :rolleyes:

And meanwhile on the actual news there's the report of the upcoming fishing wars with France. What I make of it, that same "oven ready" deal included a clausule that would allow French fishers into UK waters, provided they got a permit.
The thing is: the UK isn't keen on handing out those permits, limiting their supply.
French fishers ain't happy with that at all, and now Macron's forced to act in kind. That is: until the dispute's settled, UK fishermen in French waters will get the same treaty. So it sounds like a political paper scheme rather than a war, but I wonder if both sides' media will report on the situation fairly or will miss out information in order to play the victim (I'm looking at you, UK).


...but even that's really small news. Y'all know me: I don't generally link every youtube channel I see. Guess this counts as an exception, because...well...James O'Brian just nails it so hard it hurts:

Why? Because the (I quote) "Office for Budget Responsibility has said the impact of Brexit on the economy will be worse than that caused by the ronavirus pandemic". As in: brexit's going to cost roughly twice what covid's costing the country.

Twice. The. Cost. Of. The. Covid-19. Pandemic.

Let that sink in and pretend that brexit is anything but a collossal failure.

Now I'd be pissed as well if I were a UK resident right now. All the remain voters have been ridiculed, marginalized and made out for crybabies and pessimists. All while being one hundred procent correct in the assesments. Brexiteers still think things like "sovereignty", "take back control" and "independence" is somehow more than a hollow phrase. That will lead to clashes.

In fact, that youtube video is downright firework. That caller just expects to be treated with respect, as if "I have a different opinion" somehow merits that. It doesn't. The news the UK will be MUCH worse off outside the EU gets James angry. And I've got to be honest: I wouldn't want to be on his bad side on this. He just chews up the caller and spits him out. Just not literally.

And frankly, I don't know why other brexiteers deserve any better treatment in the press.
Damn I hardly believe these numbers

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-queens-university-poll-reveals-40991883.html

If Brexit has any positive effect it may very well be a united Ireland sometime this decade
 

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Damn I hardly believe these numbers

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-queens-university-poll-reveals-40991883.html

If Brexit has any positive effect it may very well be a united Ireland sometime this decade
Erm...I'm not sure to what degree you're following the non-US news, but what I've blurbed out yesterday was just the more prominent consequences.

Back in June, specialists (and my local youtube sources) warned that without the usual influx of inland workers (foreigners), there'd be direct consequences when Christmas season comes around. It was barely reacted to. More so: while my television news reported on the fuel shortages and made mention of supermarket shelves thinning out, these sources were ahead of the curve and showed documentaries of UK farmers ripping apart both the brexit mentality (if you want, I can look up a very emotional piece of a turkey farmer who HAS turkeys, but due to insufficient workers is going to be unable to prepare them for Christmas) and the so-called trade deals (apparently, New Zealand farmers "rejoice" with the deal, whereas UK farmers disgruntedly have to admit lower food standards competing with their products).

Right now, it seems to be a given that UK Christmas is "at least partially canceled". But the big asterix in this is that when I'm mentioning "UK" in this, that's not entirely true: Northern Ireland is still part of the single market. The Irish sea customs have made transport over sea more bothersome, so they just shift to importing goods from Ireland.

The DUP (basically the UK politician overlords in the Northern Ireland region) were always furious with the checks, and for their part I can't blame them either: the current situation ABSOLUTELY plays into reuniting Ireland. By accident, I'm sure, but it does nonetheless. So yeah: Northern Ireland might very well end to exist with the current course of action.


Can't say I'm sad about it either. I've given the UK far too much leeway to solve things, and all they did was screw up royally. If brexit was a consequence of "the will of the people", then a united Ireland will quickly ALSO turn out to be a "the will of the people" that'll have to be respected.
 

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Erm...is it a benefit of brexit if the scandals become more hilarious? :creep:


I mean, sure, there were a lot of cringy moments in Trump's presidency, but at least the guy surrounded himself with skilled personnel (that usually got fired, but that's not the focus here). But what the hell is going on in Toryville?

Okay, so they held a Christmas party at the prime minister's location last year (while everyone else was forced in lockdown). I can get why people are pissed about it. I would be too.

But I honestly can't believe the news bits I'm seeing here. Just look up "Allegra Stratton" and "Christmas party"...it's a commercial for British humor! I simply refuse to believe that that woman is Johnson's spokesperson. So she left early, but she knows that regulation was followed. Except that it was a business meeting...with cheese and wine?

No, that in itself wouldn't qualify for a Taleweaver's recommendation of best scandal of the semi-decade.


It's the fact that at least three other government members (Kit Malthouse, Maggie Throup and Dominic Raab(1)) on air repeated the same line that wouldn't fool a twelve year old:

"There was no party...but if there was, it would've followed the proper regulation".


I get why one person accidentally gets caught up, but how is it possible that it happens to so many? Just how dumb can your government really be? :rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:



(1): source: this video...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXcLGaepz_w They're having footage of Sajid Rajib as well, but at least he doesn't directly contradicts himself
 

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The U.K. looks to have a strong future ahead. They're no longer part of the EU and now masks are no longer mandatory (not that many even wore them, anyway).


Turns out, Britain has a good prime minister. But, sigh, when it comes to Biden it's hopeless.

Biden constantly forgets what he's going to say, looks lost, and doesn't even know what "Let's Go, Brandon!" means. No one can actually with a serious face say he was elected genuinely.


I watched this live and I couldn't believe what I had heard:

"President Harris and I."
- Biden
 

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The U.K. looks to have a strong future ahead. They're no longer part of the EU and now masks are no longer mandatory (not that many even wore them, anyway).


Turns out, Britain has a good prime minister. But, sigh, when it comes to Biden it's hopeless.

Biden constantly forgets what he's going to say, looks lost, and doesn't even know what "Let's Go, Brandon!" means. No one can actually with a serious face say he was elected genuinely.


I watched this live and I couldn't believe what I had heard:

"President Harris and I."
- Biden
So, erm...are you serious or just taking the piss? :unsure:

Johnson's getting so grilled on his part in the past Christmas parties that this whole "remove all regulations" thing isn't even trying to be anything but a diversion. It's not the first time he binned the regulations and it won't e the first time it gets dialled back as well. Question is more whether it'll take days or mere hours until he's forced to resign.

And aren't you in the wrong thread to be talking about Biden? I get some segways into other parts (like when talking US trade deals), but just ranting about Biden for the sake of it...does it has a point here, or are you just happy to share your opinion on something?
 

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Small bump here. Not so much for political news (tories losing a lot of seats the most recent election...but it's due to partygate rather than brexit), but because of a story I heard yesterday. About as close as first hand information goes...

Our firm owns many different restaurants. One of the more recent concepts was some sort of Japanese style food, but for some reason has all training and ingredients in England. This lead to some minor issues upon opening, but it was very unclear whether that was brexit or covid restriction rules. But that training got done, the managers ready(1) and the issues resolved.

The story I heard yesterday was about an operator having talks with the manager. She (the manager) insisted a couple weeks earlier to make food orders straight away, which had the operator confused as her stock was fine. But yesterday it started dawning on the operator that she wasn't careless or inattentive, but just experienced. The shipping process (from England) takes so long that you really should order long in advance or your stock will just be depleted before the shipment arrives. And for obvious reasons: restaurants without food don't really make much of a profit.

The main issue the operator had with this was that the concept was all about "fresh, healthy food", and these shipment delays downright torpedoed that idea(2). It's not that the food becomes unhealthy in any kind, but it has to be frozen to preserve it.
The side benefit of all this is that the restaurant is on a remote, secluded spot. If it had the clientele the board of directors had initially anticipated, there simply wouldn't be enough freezers to make sure the stock was maintained.

...but I digress. As the juiciest (and saddest) part of the story, the operator brought up an order of chicken that hadn't been delivered yet. It was ordered last October. :glare:


(1): except the main manager: he quit about two months after opening
(2): I'm personally baffled that he/our board of directors thought this could work with even moderate custom checks. All previous attempts - with local foods, no less - have all failed miserably.
 

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So, who is the biggest party after Tories?
Depends where you are looking.

Conservatives (slang term Tories) are the nominally right leaning party (reality is anything but really, though there are a few what would be known as high tories in the mix) and right now in power.
They usually trade places with Labour (nominally left leaning, still something of a mix of old school trade union*, champagne socialist/communist, actual communist, what the US would probably term business democrat and general left wing politicos that do not get along that well but statistics means they have to try) at the national level. They lost massively in the last national election, including a lot of historical seats, which meant a change in leadership.
*trade unions even getting a say in who is the leader of the party.

Most politics in the UK will be framed as a clash between them.

The liberal democrats tend to provide the main third avenue at national level. Their polices are all over the place depending upon who is running them. Historically they were probably libertarian left but today they are left with a twist. Were previously in a coalition with the conservatives when they needed to make up numbers and some others in the devolved governments.

After that then the devolved parliaments introduced under Labour now some time back have meant there are a bunch of regional interest parties. How much anybody cares there depends what another party needs if they need to make a coalition to do anything. By number of seats then Scottish National Party, the SNP, is pretty much labour (indeed at this point they have taken over Labour's main seats in Scotland, something that does not help labour in national elections) but think Scottish independence is a good thing and have that as a major campaigning point and reason they are unlikely to be in a coalition too soon. Much like labour their internal cohesion is massively questionable, albeit generally not quite as public, and for broadly similar reasons. They have had power in Scotland (which does have some measure of autonomy like all the other countries that are not England and make up the UK) for quite a while and that does mean they are increasingly not well liked. Within Scotland and their internal elections the main rivals are the Scottish conservatives, though there are some others appearing.
The Wales equivalent of the SNP is Plaid Cymru, though less on the independence thing.

Northern Ireland would probably take 20 minutes and a flow chart to fully map out ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2022/northern-ireland/results if you were curious and care to search the names) and has basically none of the same players as elsewhere in the UK. The main split is unionist (want to stay part of the UK) and separatist (want to not be part of the UK, most then wanting to join with the Republic of Ireland) but there are multiple flavours of each and a nominal centrist party with some reasonable power. The Democratic Unionist Party, DUP, were in coalition with the UK conservatives a couple of elections back (which is not that many years as these things go) so enjoyed more limelight than they would have otherwise. They have however lost power in the Northern Ireland assembly (something the good friday agreement ensured would happen) recently to a separatist party (though quirk of rules, which usually means nothing gets done, means that is amounting to stalled right now).

There are a various other parties that have some standing or have had in recent times. UKIP (UK independence party) is probably the more notable, though they have since imploded/sacrificed themselves. However they were once the right wing protest vote really and appeasing them saw the whole EU referendum thing take place. Some of its movers and shakers now run the Brexit party/Reform UK. They are also about as close as anything you get to libertarian in the UK as well but the ideas of such are reasonably prominent in all parties at some level (free speech and minimal government gets bandied about a lot with some notable things but mostly is a political football).
Various Conservatives did form the independent group a while back that for the time it was around held some seats (you keep your seat if you leave a party) that then got voted out of existence/not elected back in.
The greens (environmentalists) are a party that do some things at local and European level (when that was a thing) but mostly tactically join up with the liberal democrats and others in that mould.
Beyond that we are pretty much into joke parties, of which there are many.

The recent election in your quoted post is local council for most of the UK https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60695244
Sometimes it is seen as a bellwether for the state of things but is for the most part a joke (whole of London Mayoral might mean something) and nobody really cares/votes/pays attention**, though can be a place for smaller parties to get a foothold as you can vote how you like where national elections tend to merit tactical voting (see first past the post).

**it is generally considered a rarity for someone to tell you who their local MP that goes to the national parliament is (you vote for them but in reality it is a vote for the leader of the party/the party in general as far as most are concerned), it would incredibly shocking for them to know the local councillors.
 
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The future of the UK? Your avatar is the perfect reaction pic to it:

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