1. smf

    smf GBAtemp Psycho!
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    Not exactly, it seems the deal isn't quite what was promised. Scotland is currently unable to export fish to the EU (which includes Northern Ireland).

    Other companies are being hit by tariffs because we don't make enough of it here, which is quite normal as we don't make all of practically anything.

    Seed potatoes are excluded too, which were a big export.
     
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    Thats on imports of components? Yep. Supplyroutes could be restructured though. Although that will impact what you can produce.

    Scotland is not only unhappy, because of its fishery sector, I can tell you that.. ;) (Afair its net trade balance with the rest of the UK is negative. And they have natural resources, so they are likely paying a higher price just to keep the UK stable.)

    First time I've heard about seed potatoes.

    But thats the idea of it - its not only about fixed trade barriers or imbalances, its about potential restructuring and growth potential. Near term, and in the future. (If you see the EU tanking, and the UK thriving f.e. - that also counts.)

    Short term (next ten years), there are very few outcomes you could mention as a positive - but even that might be industry dependent.
     
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    No, food. UK supermarkets who distribute food to their shops in the EU. Marks and Spencers for example.

    A lot of fishermen have been talking about packing it in now that we've left the EU. It's a terrible deal for them.
    The UK will probably lose Scotland at this rate.

    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/lif...ottish-potato-seed-misses-out-in-brexit-deal/
     
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    src: https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/brexit/...exit-deal-on-uk-food-and-drink/651862.article

    see also:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55460948
     
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    The bbc article was written before they understood the issues.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/brexit-trade-agreement-supermarket-food-b1786682.html

    Brexit trade agreement ‘unworkable’ for UK supermarkets, MPs told
    Retailers and suppliers battling through ‘impenetrable’ red tape that has resulted in empty shelves in Northern Ireland
    ...
    “We did not get the final confirmation for how product could move until 31 December for a 1 January start.
    ....
    Retailers warned that problems could deepen on 1 April when a temporary easing of border checks will end.
    ....
    He cited one multinational company that found customs checks and certifications on a mixed consignment of goods to the EU would previously have taken three hours to complete now takes five days.
     
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    Short term. Afaik.

    They had 2 weeks or so to prepare.

    edit: Ok, retailers say its structural. Ouch...

    edit2: But UK government rejected the issue:
    ;)
     
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    They aren't complaining about queues.

    He's just fobbing them off, he probably would just find a way to illegally get the products across the border and hopes they'd do the same.

    I know someone in Northern Ireland and he said some of the shelves were starting to have spaces, so we'll see about the long term.

    They haven't introduced all the measures yet though.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55646360

    But he warned problems would re-emerge if further new certification requirements are introduced in April.

    It looks like organic produce is also being hit.

    It's kinda poetic justice that fishermen and farmers were generally interested in leaving the EU.
     
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    That or that followed by increased automation.
     
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    I don't think we're at the point where it would be cost effective, even if it would be funny to have brexit destroy jobs and increase costs.
     
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    Then more of the first. ;)

    Cant imagine the EU would stop that if its related to food security. I mean its *haha* funny for a week, but c'mon.

    US Raisin Bombers to help the UK out? ;)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raisin_Bombers
     
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    Fish exported to the EU need to be inspected by a vet now, even though fish caught from the same waters by an EU fisherman do not and the fish haven't been told that they are no longer in the EU.

    Kinda crazy, but then as you say food security. I guess it's down to what could have been done to the fish since they've been caught and the EU fishermen are under the EU courts while the British fishermen are not.
     
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    There have been two notable articles of businesspeople complaining about he struggles the new arrangement is bringing. Considering how the fishing industry was one fo the mere emotive arguments for the leave campaign.

    You also have Kate Hoey (ex-MP) complaining about what impact Brexit is having on Northern Ireland despite actively campaigning for it.

    It really staggers belief.
     
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    While "careful what you wish for" is quite amusing to ponder I would be careful to figure out what is a case of that is the logical outcome and failure of implementation (because hands up everybody that thought the whole process was well planned, well managed and ultimately well executed? What about hands up those who thought "could have been done better but hindsight and all that, however happy with what was obtained/done"?).

    Now I would say incompetence is kind of expected from all this -- hard, soft, looser ties, cancel the lot all failing to get anything like a majority or a mandate and have any govs this last... lifetime of any PMs concerned particularly inspired in their ability to play hardball?
     
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    You also have people that call it an unknown unknown, simply comment on that investment rates are falling and call it a day.
     
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    brexiteers are all deranged, they were always going to blame everyone for the obvious problems caused by their actions.
     
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    This sounds like some of this can be solved by increasing storage capacity:
    https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-food-shortages-fears-grow-eu-truckers-avoid-uk-ports-830040

    And streamlining the process.


    Also:

    And the worker rights "restructuring" is rolling in.. :)
    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/g...-roll-back-workers-rights-after-brexit-832536
     
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    It says they deny changing anything regarding workers rights, everything else in the article is irrelevant until they say they're changing workers rights.
     
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    ^
    This is what brainwashing will do to you:
    Followed by an overspecific non denial denial:
    I think you are an example for someone who can read, but lacks the ability to understand what they have read.
     
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    Person A says 1. Person B (you) WELL OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE LYING AND THEY DONT MEAN IT. You're boring as fuck.
     
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    - Reporting that the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) is drawing up a draft on reforming labor laws. From a reputable source, reported in a reputable business journal.
    - Head of the opposition demanding a denial on specfics
    - Department refuses to deny the points layed out, but instead denies something that wasnt even proposed ("well do annual reviews!")
    - Followed by a legal reason why they have to lie that this had taken place.

    You: They denied it, and the rest is not important.
    And then: Wanna pick a fight?

    If I ever see you in a bar, I laugh in your face, and leave with your girlfriend.
     
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