I guess we operate under different definitions of incompetence then, which is fair, to me a leader who allows the people working under them to makes errors of this magnitude has shown incompetency as a leader.
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The benefits of Brexit - the future of the United Kingdom
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I guess we operate under different definitions of incompetence then, which is fair, to me a leader who allows the people working under them to makes errors of this magnitude has shown incompetency as a leader.
We might. But seeing you're German, you probably heard of Von der Leyen before. To me, her name means as much as I assume Charles Michel (the upcoming president of the European counsil and current Belgian prime minister) means to you. So of course I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now. I wasn't kidding when I said I only briefly checked the potential scandals. In our newspapers, it's at best a footnote in an article...and given the media, it was probably more like a single sentence in an article that is itself a footnote (this is Europe, after all. It's not like our leaders do controversial things like singlehandedly making important decisions).
Okay, fine. You choose to believe that she can't be removed, no matter what the outcome of investigations will be. We'll see if that holds true... Provided she is guilty of anything, of course. I'm not convinced of that either.
That's just false. The parliament has the power to remove the entire commision including the president.
...and Boris Johnson is now the new prime minister of the UK.
Not really a surprise considering his popularity, but that doesn't mean the future's looking bright. The whole "do or die" promise seems like a huge gambit: either leave the EU with a better deal than what we have or without a deal at all. Considering the EU has tauted that there would be no re-negotiations for months, it essentially comes down to "we'll be leaving the EU without a deal".
Small note: the rhetoric wouldn't have been much different under his opponent (Jeremy Hunt). It's just that Johnson has less ambiguity when it comes to being straightforward.
Not really a surprise considering his popularity, but that doesn't mean the future's looking bright. The whole "do or die" promise seems like a huge gambit: either leave the EU with a better deal than what we have or without a deal at all. Considering the EU has tauted that there would be no re-negotiations for months, it essentially comes down to "we'll be leaving the EU without a deal".
Small note: the rhetoric wouldn't have been much different under his opponent (Jeremy Hunt). It's just that Johnson has less ambiguity when it comes to being straightforward.
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BoJo is now PM and it looks like we're going to get a hard Brexit cabinet. Gotta be honest, it's hard to look at the situation and not think we as a nation are pretty fucked.
Benefits likely aren't the ideas going through British people's heads right now. I think the better question would be to ask how we might mitigate all the possible negative outcomes of crashing out of the EU which seems to be the current plan.
The one benefit, which Farage and Johnson clamour on about all the time, is greater sovereignty which means having greater control over laws and economy. Though, the EU hasn't done anything that the British public have generally disagreed with. So the one benefit is moot at best.
The one benefit, which Farage and Johnson clamour on about all the time, is greater sovereignty which means having greater control over laws and economy. Though, the EU hasn't done anything that the British public have generally disagreed with. So the one benefit is moot at best.
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I woke up with Boris Johnson as our PM and 37°C outside. let me translate that for you.
I woke up with the Devil as our PM and in hell.
I woke up with the Devil as our PM and in hell.
BUT HE seems a reasonable guy: he do buzinezz with HUAWEI/CHINA (5G will be available at end year in UK), contrary to his EVIL TWIN Trump who's still fighting Trade war tho!
We'll see about that. The negotiated deal is buried, yes. But that 'will of the people' never was more than a suggestion 52% of the voters made two years ago. Yes, Johnson and his team are in charge of the government and willing to go for a no deal, but I don't see a single reason why things will be different under Johnson than under May.
Because Johnson voted to leave, he's appointed 90% of his cabinet as leavers. They've all signed a pledge for no deal if the EU won't renegotiate. Everything he's done so far is the polar opposite of May. Juncker has already said the WA won't be renegotiated, paving the way for the UK to keep their money and leave on WTO. If parliament try and block it then there'll be a general election and that's when we'll truly find out what people want, i suspect all the career politicians and remainers will be booted out. Naturally the media will say the opposite much like they did for Trump and Brexit and got it horribly wrong. The biggest taste for public opinion as of late was the MEP votes last month where the UK overwhelmingly voted for the brexit party. 99 days left to find out.
but in many places it was more than 52% to 48% to leave, for example where I live it was 58% to 42% and I'm in a Labour strong hold. Maybe that's why Corbyn has been dithering so long on where the Labour party stands because they know in many of the Leave areas they have Labour MP's and with the Brexit party and tactical voting even some of the safe Labour seats could go.
It will be very interesting at the next election, as a life long Labour voter I'll be voting tactically to vote for who ever can beat my local Labour MP.
That's the thing about an average: the situation is different in regions. Why do you think Scotland and Northern Ireland are pondering to get into the EU/Ireland? The UK simply isn't united in the resolve to leave.
It clearly isn't resolved to remain either (what was it? Wales and the Midwest were strong leave regions, iirc). The delay on Corbyn's stance is possibly just that. I think he really wants to avoid the polarisation that is consuming the US right now, but it's happening regardless.
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I can't help feeling that it was someone's plan all along to make Boris and Trump the figureheads. It just doesn't seem feasible that it could've happened naturally. In fact, nothing about the current climate feels natural.
It has already been proven that Russia actively affected both US presidency and UK Brexit.
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