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Texas now requiring everyone (with few exceptions) to wear a mask
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Then the entire point of this chain and thread no longer has any meaning. Texas requires masks now. People are sick. Hospitals are, basically, no longer accessible for the average person and below. All people had to do is wear some cloth from a T-Shirt, or 5 Napkins they could steal at a restaurant. But there are too many excuses going around that actually don't make sense. While some excuses are legitimate, such as requiring and providing essentials, that doesn't happen because the president literally stole all those supplies and auctioned them away to foreign countries that weren't in need.
But I have said my piece. I have spoken. Peace out.
src or it didnt happen..
On respirators he boasted about it, but then shouldnt have done it in any meaningful capacity. On masks he cant, well at least not for N95 and better ones, because they take special equipment (machines) to produce wich the US doesnt have.
Hospitals running out of capacity in certain parts of the country is unrelated to how they are equipped - and mostly related to exponential growth rate if president makes 'wearing masks' political.
Giving away equipment as aid, would actually be what is required of an international power such as the US and partly also expected politically, but the current 'word on the street' is, that the US almost did none of that, because of how it chose to tackle the crisis.
On the contrary, US 'stole' mask delivery capacity from international airports - at least according to non US friendly news outlets..
Part of the presidents behavior might actually be, that the US couldnt scale up production, or hospital space/staff nearly fast enough.
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While I feel that masks can be detrimental to people who have a declination of capacity in their lungs as it does restrict air flow and cause them to breath in carbon dioxide and also to people working out in temps over 90°F, I can understand why they have been required due to the fact there are inconsiderate people who are sick and go out in public with no concern for others.
My issue with masks is the personal rights issue of the matter. The government shouldn't force you to do something unless you are a proven danger to society. Leaders and experts have said that masks requirements are to protect others from you, not the other way around. This whole requirement is a nanny state matter that the state should not be allowed to enact.
Why should states stop at masks? Experts say you will be safe if you wash your hands and social distance.
Why not put hand washing stations outside stores, retirement facilities, bathrooms, etc and require people to wash their hands?
You are not supposed to touch your face (which masks can cause you to do if not properly worn). Why not make it so people have to cover their faces with helmets or something to prevent them from touching themselves?
Have people wear proximity sensors that sets off an alarm when within six feet of others.
If you're going to force one, force them all.
If we give up freedom for safety, we deserve neither.
My issue with masks is the personal rights issue of the matter. The government shouldn't force you to do something unless you are a proven danger to society. Leaders and experts have said that masks requirements are to protect others from you, not the other way around. This whole requirement is a nanny state matter that the state should not be allowed to enact.
Why should states stop at masks? Experts say you will be safe if you wash your hands and social distance.
Why not put hand washing stations outside stores, retirement facilities, bathrooms, etc and require people to wash their hands?
You are not supposed to touch your face (which masks can cause you to do if not properly worn). Why not make it so people have to cover their faces with helmets or something to prevent them from touching themselves?
Have people wear proximity sensors that sets off an alarm when within six feet of others.
If you're going to force one, force them all.
If we give up freedom for safety, we deserve neither.
Yeah, I bet you two have proof of the president loading the trucks himself with all these "supplies", huh? I want to see the pic of him slapping the shipping label on the box or it didn't happen.
I'm so sorry dude.src or it didnt happen..
https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-government-stealing-medical-supplies
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-fema-medical-supplies.html
Medical supplies when New York was at its knees during the virus. People I knew died.
https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...russia-in-5-6-million-coronavirus-aid-package
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/russia-bills-us-660k-aid-included-gas-masks/story?id=70451912
https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...-russia-putin-for-coronavirus-response-2020-5
Masks to Russia. Remember in every fiction piece, the bad guy will do something wrong. "It's not supposed to happen" doesn't really cut it anymore.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/14/pri...d-by-trump-donor-gets-27-million-bailout.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...dustry-bailout-as-prices-plunge-idUSKCN2231Z6
https://www.citizen.org/news/keeping-500-billion-in-bailout-funds-secret/
$500 million in bailouts for businesses using OUR tax. Yo that could've been our stimulus checks for rent, or masks for masks, or emergency unemployment insurance in case the apocalypse is happening. Or even a fake apocalypse so the US can play along.
Look I can go all day with this but at this point I've given 3 completely random sources. Something like "those news sources are unreliable" can work but I've presented my piece. Now you have to show something better than this if you want to unprove my point.
But remember, Google might not be giving these news sources and information to you because of where you live. Literally the media blocks out any news that doesn't suit YOUR region's political stance. I'm actually not getting anymore bad riot/brutality/protest news anymore. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT THAT YOU DIDN'T GET THIS NEWS.
Look if you want freedom too, great. I want to win back my freedom after this is all over. For now, people need to rest too. New Zealand and Taiwan are done and they started later than us.
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i mean people in japan sorta had masks to begin with, it's a pollution thing
Here is the issue.
>The United States delivered 50 ventilators to Russia on Thursday
edit (> Another batch of 150 American-made ventilators will head to Russia next week, according to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow)
Thats diplomatic gesture exchange. 50 ventilators arent 'structurally important' for the US (still means (or could mean), that citizens died because of it).
Thats "basically nothing". Its a PR blunder, but it is not the cause for the systemic issue in the US.
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Why the national US government stole masks from international imports, that were flown in by states themselves is unclear. Again, they should be short on supplies, and maybe need them structurally (but then there are no news stories, where the government is giving them out in mass - yet, but I dont know the internal planing for when this should happen.) Other explaination would be "customs snafu" - which seems unlikely, but..
I'm fairly certain, that this is not Trump telling special ops, to steal masks from states directly..
And certainly not to 'give to russia'. (In any meaningful capacity.)edit: Here is your point of reference:
GM to build 30,000 ventilators for US for $489.4 million
Apr 8, 2020 - The Detroit automaker will produce and deliver the ventilators to the government by the end of August.
src: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/08/gm-to-build-30000-ventilators-for-us-for-489point4-million.html
And then Ford (and apparently Tesla) are building them as well. You giving away 200 of those, isnt the cause for a structural issue.
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You might want to think again about what you know as it's wrong.
US welcomes Russian delivery of medical supplies to New York
https://thehill.com/policy/internat...sian-delivery-of-medical-supplies-to-new-york
You may also look at New York governor Cuomo who mishandled the coronavirus pandemic completely which didn't help the keep the death toll low, or the NYC mayor who is completely incompetent.
https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/05/08/media-darling-cuomo-mismanaged-covid-19-killing-thousands/
Oh, that's right, it wasn't Cuomo's job to provide PPE to his citizens.
You mean the PPP program for companies that employs the citizens of the US? I don't see how you can find supporting companies who suffer at the hands of China when it wasn't their fault, so they can still pay their employees and keep them employed while shut down. How is that a bad thing?
Maybe you're thinking the NBA who claimed the PPP funds to pay their team mates millions of dollars or the business owners who didn't have employees but spent the money on jewelry.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/lake...k-small-business-coronavirus-ppp-relief-funds
https://www.thetrucker.com/trucking...ed-ppp-funds-to-buy-jewelry-pay-child-support
These are not Trump's fault. This is a societal issue due to democrat policies.
I could go on, but I said my piece (which should be spelled peace).
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And it's amazing that more companies are actually making these masks. It's almost like making medical supplies isn't supposed to be a political issue. Whatever, you did your research and it shows.Here is the issue.
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No I didn't mean the PPP program that left small American businesses in the dust. And why are we talking about Cuomo? This is America as a whole. We're specifically talking about masks, the need for one, the requirements to get one, or why people would/wouldn't want to wear one. Are we even having the same conversation? Why is China related to this? At the very least, Russia because I brought it into the conversation. Nobody mentioned anything about democratic/government policies either.
This wasn't even your first response to the conversation. Your joke(?) about sending aid to China was. I'm still not sure if I understand it. Please explain further. You are correct in that Cuomo did a B- job initially and good on you for finding Russian aid as a source but the rest needs to refocus on the conversation at hand and as a whole.
Ummmm, you do know you can scroll up to see past posts in a thread to reread them, whether they are yours or not, right? Doing this would help you understand my perspective by looking back at your own.
First off, the discussion is about Texas, not America as a whole. Second, here is what you said in the first post of yours that I quoted, "While some excuses are legitimate, such as requiring and providing essentials, that doesn't happen because the president literally stole all those supplies and auctioned them away to foreign countries that weren't in need." What does this provide to the conversation of Texas now requiring masks, or to the fact that some people may not be able to afford them? You then gave some BS sources that didn't prove your point that went further off topic, so I attempted to correct your assumptions that were not correct. I brought up Cuomo because you brought up New York (and people dying) like that had anything to do with the president.
The picture was a joke about the true culprits that sent the PPE to foreign countries as I asked for proof of the president shipping them. Again, you'd have to read the discussion between the other person, you, and me. It may have been clearer if you had a personalized avatar pic.
After explaining that the president has nothing to do with the shortages, I was hoping you would understand that the president also has nothing to do with Texas requiring face masks and get back to the topic at hand.
I already did if you scroll up and see my reply to the other person. Otherwise, let's stay on topic of this thread.
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