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    monkeyman4412 Gbatemp's moronic trash
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    What on earth have I returned to. Most of @Waygeek said is unrelevent, primarily due to the fact he's mostly just spewing stuff out creating what seems to me like strawmans and or often making misleading arguments. Basically in a nutshell for the last two responses I've seen. (not worth my time responding to all of them due to how stupid this is)
    waygeek mentioned solar cycles, notimp proved no it's wrong, in regards to effecting climate change. Which waygeek refused, and attacked him claiming notimp is a flat earther, and then reinstating his argument of solar cycles, despite the fact it never addressed notimps point that has no effect on climate change in general, or to the degree we see. Which resulted in notimp attacking back/defending.
    Honestly, waygeek you sound like a moron. Kinda like another idiot on this thread. (morovan)
     
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    lmfao the fact that you don't even speak English despite being a yank (it's irrelevant, you absolute genius) renders anything you have to say absolutely worthless to even read.

    "Honestly, waygeek you sound like a moron. Kinda like another idiot on this thread."

    Deeply, deeply ironic. 'unrelevent' LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Your tag suits you perfect.
     
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    EU proposes climate taxes to finance the 'rebuild' after the Covid-19 crises.

    https://taxfoundation.org/eu-budget-proposal-next-generation/

    I'm actually somewhat fine with that.
     
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    Planet of the Humans (Michael Moore backed documentary that focused on energy efficiency/yield issues on renewables, environmental destruction through some renewables (biomass, mountain top removal), and billionaire involvement in prepping up the scene (other side stated, that they never took any money out of the ventures)) was taken down by youtube, after gaining more than 8 mio views. Backstory as far as I can tell is, that one of the participants on the 'this cant exist' side, claimed copyright infringement on a 30 seconds clip - which would have fallen under fair use in any documentary ever -- if we werent talking about youtube (cloud provider, that cant check this for every user, because they dont have enough people to screen, and dont want to take the legal risk).

    Youtube didnt issue a warning, like normally, so filmmakers could have removed that part, but took down the entire thing immediately.

    I call foul play.
     
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    From goodwill to societal change:


    All grassroots.. ;)
     
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    Thank you Dennis, thank you! *applause, please*

     
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    Yes yes it does suite me well. spelling mistakes can happen you know. (sometimes people just throw the wrong prefix) Glad we can agree that a spelling mistake is all you have to clench at while you have no response to the contents of what I've said. (Probably because what I said was pretty much accurate. And you have no counter points. So it still stands, your arguments are still rendered null.)
     
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    First, Planet of the Humans is back online, with the 4 seconds clip of an acid lake in china removed, that was used by the cancel culture folks to remove it from youtube.

    Second the films director GIbbs is now just salty enough, that he stopped pulling punches - when pointing at what hasnt picked up as the messaging of the film, but what has. Which turns out to be actually somewhat interesting. (See: h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ-rZAtWXyA - small warning, this is the Chris Hedges program on RT, so expect the moderation to add a slight spin at least.. ;) (Hedges in this interview is mostly useless and plays devils advocate.. :) ) )

    US 'renewable energy' is still 44.5% Biomass (with wind the fastest growing (currently at 22% of all renewables)) - general projected growth of renewable energy within the US is still positive, but less so than in the past 20 years. By 2050, renewable energy is expected to account for less than 16% of total US energy consumption, and less than 25% of their electrical energy consumption.

    (Germany has pledged 100% renewable electric energy consumption by 2050.)

    And imho even more shockingly, China only has 3x the wind energy capacity of germany, and the US doesnt even have 2x. On solar china has about 4x the capacity of germany, and while that sounds nicer, actual yield of solar power in Germany is lower, than for wind.
    src: http://css.umich.edu/factsheets/us-renewable-energy-factsheet
    src: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145159/solar-powered-china
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    What Gibbs doesnt get is, that to get renewable energy developed, you need to look at this as a business, so if in the US biomass is currently more viable, you push biomass - with the idea hopefully being to expand other sectors (wind is the fastest growing), as they become more viable, because biomass probably has less growth potential.. ;)

    Looking at current US renewable numbers and trends vs what would be needed for climate goals (and eventually what would be needed to replace fossile based energy - although this is an entirely different story, with the viewpoint much further in the future), I entirely understand the pessimistic outlook Gibbs is selling.

    Of course, PR has to stay positive - which is an aspect they also talk about as having gotten as a response, in the RT video.

    edit: More facts and numbers:
    https://www.engineering.com/Designe...mans-Is-The-Film-Scientifically-Accurate.aspx (Although pumped hydro is not a scalable storage solution. ;) )


    edit: Also, someone has to explain to me, why according to the first source Biomass accounts for 44% of US renewable energy production, while by this source ( https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3 ) it only accounts for 8% a year later.. (What?) edit: Ah, probably got it.. Biomass would be mostly used for heat and fuel generation, not electricity generation, so if you look at it through the prism of just electrical energy production you get the smaller value. Probably. :)

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    Primary energy consumption (thats everything) US vs Germany (for germany the numbers are from 2017), to be able to compare percentage values:

    US:
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    src: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/

    Germany:
    [​IMG]
    src: http://www.fnr.de/fileadmin/allgeme...e_basisdaten_bioenergie_2018_engl_web_neu.pdf

    I draw two conclusions, one - we are still in the same ballpark of renewable energy production all things considered, two - that said, germany still has a more export oriented economy, with more industrial production in country. US should have outsourced them to mexico by now.. ;) (edit: Yup, quick google for 'industrial production, percentage of gdp' shows, that germany has 2x the amount of industry still in country compared to the US. :) )
     
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    More insight into a liberal leftist perspective of the future:


    First talk is entirely BS, second talk is fully naive, but with an interesting insight on 'we need to brainwasch people into thinking less is more', third talk should be better. ;)

    edit: Oh, there is no third talk. Pitty. (But Mazzucato should speak on this topic next month. I'll update the thread with her position then.)

    edit2: The discussion goes a little bit into why everyone wants to kill GDP as a comparative measurement.

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    see also
     
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