Hacking Question SX-OS End of life 'request'

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IMHO that is a bit naive. Do you really think Nintendo is not caring about the fact that you can install nsps? They are far from stupid and know already you can install xci/nsp on atmosphere. Also emulators like yuzu are already on their radar... Do not think otherwise (but I could be wrong of course)
Perhaps legal actions are already being prepared... Who knows.
What I do hope is that the code to mount xci will stay hidden because when someone creates a way to mount xci on atmosphere (some fork, plug in or app) then that will be extra ammunition for nintendos legal team to kill it off.
They would already nuked the databases if so. C&D is much cheaper.
I've spoken with people in the homebrew scene and it's the reason why they don't wanna do an XCI loader. It's only for piracy. NSPs are universal.
 
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Nsp's are universal? As in only used by Nintendo for switch.... That is not universal in my book:ha:

Don't be surprised if ninty will do a C&D..
Remember that even running a homebrew nsp can only be done through running a cfw which is debatable to begin with and that there is no way to distinguish between homebrew and not homebrew (=piracy).

But we agree that allowing xci mounting would give a bad signal and will hopefully never surface for atmosphere.
 

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Nsp's are universal? As in only used by Nintendo for switch.... That is not universal in my book:ha:

Don't be surprised if ninty will do a C&D..
Remember that even running a homebrew nsp can only be done through running a cfw which is debatable to begin with and that there is no way to distinguish between homebrew and not homebrew (=piracy).

But we agree that allowing xci mounting would give a bad signal and will hopefully never surface for atmosphere.
I think he meant universal as in .NSP files allow for homebrew and games to exist whereas .XCI files would only allow for games aka piracy.
 

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Nsp's are universal? As in only used by Nintendo for switch.... That is not universal in my book:ha:

Don't be surprised if ninty will do a C&D..
Remember that even running a homebrew nsp can only be done through running a cfw which is debatable to begin with and that there is no way to distinguish between homebrew and not homebrew (=piracy).

But we agree that allowing xci mounting would give a bad signal and will hopefully never surface for atmosphere.
yeah just like Nintendo did with luma3ds and its cia files which even let you create a unique online id.... oh wait no they didn't. The REAL issue people are missing is the fact the CFW was paid for thats the main thing that made it a target for Nintendo. very rarely is a cfw actually targeted like that regardless of the type of "roms" (as an all encompassing word) that they support.
 
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Nintendo is more aggressive lately when it comes to protecting their ip. The C&D for remakes or enhancements of old games to name one.
Getting after the rom sites and their owners is another one.
Perhaps sxos overplayed their hands by asking money and using copyrighted Nintendo software to make xci work.. The chip which could hack all switches was probably the nail in the sxos coffin.
But again: the main concern for Nintendo is piracy and assuring 3rd party developers that the switch is a secure platform. Cfw is everything but giving that secure signal. Biggest problem for them however is that atmosphere and Luma for instance are open source and once in the wild makes it nearly impossible to stop. I guess that is the main reason why they are not targeted (yet) (IMHO)

Only future will tell who will be right.
 

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Not 100% true of course...
They stole enough code that the only real difference that matters is the XCI loader. Unless the source code is leaked or someone reverse engineers the source, we aren’t getting the source SXOS and the closest thing we got is project they ripped their code from
 

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Nintendo is more aggressive lately when it comes to protecting their ip. The C&D for remakes or enhancements of old games to name one.
Getting after the rom sites and their owners is another one.
Perhaps sxos overplayed their hands by asking money and using copyrighted Nintendo software to make xci work.. The chip which could hack all switches was probably the nail in the sxos coffin.
But again: the main concern for Nintendo is piracy and assuring 3rd party developers that the switch is a secure platform. Cfw is everything but giving that secure signal. Biggest problem for them however is that atmosphere and Luma for instance are open source and once in the wild makes it nearly impossible to stop. I guess that is the main reason why they are not targeted (yet) (IMHO)

Only future will tell who will be right.
think you are new around here they have always been a pain in the ass about any form of romhacks. and again romsites are making money off their games which makes them an easy target. SX-OS blatantly was like "pay us for piracy" and that's why its dead now
 

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think you are new around here they have always been a pain in the ass about any form of romhacks. and again romsites are making money off their games which makes them an easy target. SX-OS blatantly was like "pay us for piracy" and that's why its dead now

Me new around here? Since early 2007! I guess you are the new one here.
Again... Time will tell (but I still don't think that the 'pay us for piracy' was the main reason, but that the mod chip opened up all switches for piracy and not only the unpatched ones.... That in itself is reason enoughl
 
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Me new around here? Since early 2007! I guess you are the new one here.
Again... Time will tell (but I still don't think that the 'pay us for piracy' was the main reason, but that the mod chip opened up all switches for piracy and not only the unpatched ones.... That in itself is reason enoughl
didn't even mean the year you joined that's absolutely meaningless I mean more the fact you think any of that is actually new for Nntendo when they have ALWAYS been know for being the biggest pricks about that even going after youtube videos that make money off their content
 

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They stole enough code that the only real difference that matters is the XCI loader. Unless the source code is leaked or someone reverse engineers the source, we aren’t getting the source SXOS and the closest thing we got is project they ripped their code from
A lot of people are claiming sxos stole code but as far as my memory goes
SXOS early 2018
Atmosphere launch October 2018.
First mod chip.. Sxos (and nobody can say they stole that)

So I am not defending sxos (couldn't care less what cfw you use) but some credit is due... But to blindly quote 'they stole' is IMHO not 100 % true
 

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A lot of people are claiming sxos stole code but as far as my memory goes
SXOS early 2018
Atmosphere launch October 2018.
First mod chip.. Sxos (and nobody can say they stole that)

So I am not defending sxos (couldn't care less what cfw you use) but some credit is due... But to blindly quote 'they stole' is IMHO not 100 % true
And not to forget, they also had emunand option before AMS
 
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didn't even mean the year you joined that's absolutely meaningless I mean more the fact you think any of that is actually new for Nntendo when they have ALWAYS been know for being the biggest pricks about that even going after youtube videos that make money off their content
If you think it is meaningless why bring it up then?
You are clueless on what I think.... Of course I don't think nintendos actions against sxos - because that was the start of the discussion-is something new.
So again, don't pretend to know what I think,
Again in my opinion atmosphere and the likes are walking a thin line.... Time will tell
 

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If you think it is meaningless why bring it up then?
You are clueless on what I think.... Of course I don't think nintendos actions against sxos - because that was the start of the discussion-is something new.
So again, don't pretend to know what I think,
Again in my opinion atmosphere and the likes are walking a thin line.... Time will tell
since I have to explain it to you new around here = not very knowledgeable of the scene I really don't care what date you joined the site if you think the date on my name or yours means anything you are delusional. and no you miss the point the main issue is them making money off of it I guarantee if Atmosphere added xci support they would not have the same issue
 
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And you know the scene so well.... Your knowledge is beyond anything.... Your guarantee means absolutely nothing and is only true.... Well.... Until it is not.
Let just leave it at that... For the third time... Time will tell
 

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A lot of people are claiming sxos stole code but as far as my memory goes
SXOS early 2018
Atmosphere launch October 2018.
First mod chip.. Sxos (and nobody can say they stole that)

So I am not defending sxos (couldn't care less what cfw you use) but some credit is due... But to blindly quote 'they stole' is IMHO not 100 % true
I am not blindly quoting, I know it’s not 100% stolen code but there’s been plenty of cases proving that they did steal code. That being said, I will still note that I do hope people get the code because it would be nice to see XCI loader go open source.
 

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I have marked this as 'Question' rather than 'Discussion'
I would prefer it if someone/anyone with pertinent knowledge could answer this for me rather than the thread descend into SX/Atmos attrition :)
so......

I just re-read an old review for the DS-Xtreme cart (yes, I still have two in a draw somewhere) here: https://gbatemp.net/threads/ds-xtreme-review.38174/
and remember the situation being VERY similar to the current SX-OS demise, with a call for the dev team to release the source code..........

As it appears that there is no more opportunity to monetise their product in the current circumstance, does anybody have contact with the SX-OS devs?
There IS source code for the project sitting somewhere, and I'm sure this would be welcomed and useful to the modding community, and a nice parting shot for all the people (including me) who purchased their products.
so...who do I email?
:)
that has to be the most stupid question ever.

you are aware nintendo have taken the main marketing guys behind TX to court/jail.

what gives you the impression the coders (who for now remain anomynous) are then going to leak SX OS cfw, which could lead nintendo after them.

BUT

then also, anyone then found to be continuing work on SX OS are then going to be having a massive target on their back for nintendo's legal teams to come after them.

the reason why nintendo came after TX is not just because of the dongle and mod chips, but the fact that its cfw contains nintendo code which they have altered.

open source cfw does not, tho nintendo could still come after them, the main focus for nintendo is anyone linked to TX and SX OS and other products involved in piracy on nintendo consoles.

so, you can re type how ever you like, SX OS is safe to say DEAD, no one is willing to touch it, nor will the coders leak and provide its work to become open source either.

its safer for them to remain hidden and move on.

and to be fair, SX OS only advantages were:
1) it was a user friendly cfw, only required one file to be updated, unlike atmos has multiple things that require updating which sometimes isnt exactly user friendly for the less knowledgeable users.

2) XCI loading (which no one will touch) and USB HDD Support.

point 1 would be great if atmos itself had an auto updater that downloaded all the latest updates and files required for the new cfw to run directly on the console itself.

point 2 is irrelevant now with the use of tinfoil you can download/install in one go, no need to download an nsp then manually have to install it (requiring 2x the storage for both nsp and its install).

but one disadvantage of SX OS was its cheat feature was limited, it needed work but they never bothered, while atmos now has many tools to find pointer codes which most games require, plus it can handle more code types.

So sorry to say, nintendo have made sure TX and SX OS is dead, it will never see the light of it becoming open source unless someone has the balls and time to decyrpt the boot.dat, and then spend time manually updating each part/adding new features for free, when we already have people giving their free time with atmos.
 
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I was merely responding to your statement that 'They stole enough code that the only real difference that matters is the XCI loader'
Perhaps later they stole parts of code but I thought they were first doing something like cfw, indeed loading xci and also emunand.
I do think that some credit is due.. No more no less.

Personally I hope xci loading will not surface unless it can be done without any nintendo code/sdk (which I thought was the case with xsos).
 

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Not sure I buy Nintendo liking NSPs any better than XCI but the important point is, Atmosphere doesn't officially do anything useful with NSPs either. Its on you to track down sigpatches as well as an installer program, and its not their fault anyone can adapt their open source firmware to pirate stuff. Album and title override is the official method for running homebrew that they provide. As should be clear with what happened to TX, that degree of separation is critical in terms of liability.
 
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