Supreme Court upholds Arizona voting rules

[djpannda]

God forbid one gets a job and manage their life and finances to be a productive and contributing member of society. That's cruel. Just be homeless and let big daddy government take care of you. (fyi, you don't need a million dollars and acres of land to be a person. you already are inherently)

LOVE the fact your acting like the Controversial part was the "landowner"

 

[WG481]

If you don't get your ballot in the mail you can go in and vote. These laws don't interfere with early mail in voting or absentee ballots. Read the decisions by the Supreme Court Justices and familiarize yourself with mail in voting in Arizona and you'll see no one's vote is being suppressed as in the decision you'll see the Democrats couldn't provide a single ounce of evidence that was happening or had happened in the past. Voting isn't a complicated matter so I'm not sure why the Democrats are inferring that minorities can't handle it.

Inferring that minorities can’t handle voting is a Far Right practice. Trump’s attempts at suppression (especially in the last election) failed terribly. Seriously, get some facts mate. Republicans used to be anti-racist, but looks like Democrats got their shite together and Republicans lost theirs.

In terms of Dem vs. Repub the same thing happened with Scott Cawthon. He was just a Republican. A chill fellow. Yet Far Leftists pressed him for voting for who he thought was best. (Trump wasn’t the best. And won’t be. I’d rather have someone accused of “sniffing people (WTF)” than the obese McThicken.)

 

[Lacius]

I'm sorry if you think Black people are dumb and can't get a simple ID I was in the idea we were beyond racism but seem your racist reply shows democrats the party of the KKK still racist

It isn't racist to acknowledge that voter ID laws disenfranchise racial minorities more than white people. You can find a fact sheet here for more information:

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

Disenfranchisement includes, but isn't limited to, racial minorities disproportionately lacking the required ID, it costing time and money to get the proper ID, voter ID laws reducing turnout amongst minority populations, minority voters being more likely to have their ID challenged, and laws inconsistently allowing some forms of ID (concealed weapons permits, etc.) but not others (student ID, public assistance ID, etc.). There has also been no demonstration that voter ID laws do anything other than to reduce voter turnout amongst certain groups, since widespread voter fraud is an unsubstantiated myth.

It would also be a mistake to bring up the KKK, since party realignment as a consequence of the Civil Rights Act being signed by a Democratic President caused all of those Southern Democratic "KKK" people to flock to the Republican Party.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Do you have an ambrella or shelter as a homless person? no. no you don't. those homeless shelters get backed up, if your not there in time. too bad, so sad.


How do you get that as a homeless person? You likely do not have a job and cannot get one.


yeah and have it risked stolen. Seems logical. that won't be riped for fraud


very creative but I think that will result in some tearing
oh well I mean it wouldn't be big enough to cause that kind of tearing.


Hmm, Idk chief. So... your telling me it's okay for systematic suppression of voting for united states citizens, all because they became homless likely to no fault of their own, you know, with the multiple economic crises


Hey buddy, remember how you were talking about undcoumented workers? What if... you know. some of those undocumented workers, ARE THE HOMELESS PEOPLE.
hmm. just a thought. Let's see, to work in the United states you need a social secruity number, and birth certificate.... HUH
SOUNDS LIKE A CHICKEN IN THE EGG PROBLEM

Since you're so concerned and passionate about the homeless problem, why don't you turn your home into a homeless shelter and help these people get the proper documents, hm?

LOVE the fact your acting like the Controversial part was the "landowner"

Well, your comment was nonsense anyways, good for a laugh at how non-reality based it is.

 

[djpannda]

Since you're so concerned and passionate about the homeless problem, why don't you turn your home into a homeless shelter and help these people get the proper documents, hm?


Well, your comment was nonsense anyways, good for a laugh at how non-reality based it is.

yup way to stick it to man! respond to a "Nonsense Comment" that question HUMAN WORTH by stating that the "NonSense Comment" is really what you feel in your heart of hearts.

 

[Valwinz]

repeat after me bros

To Vote, I need an ID

Harvesting Votes is BAD

 

[Deleted member 559230]

Inferring that minorities can’t handle voting is a Far Right practice. Trump’s attempts at suppression (especially in the last election) failed terribly. Seriously, get some facts mate. Republicans used to be anti-racist, but looks like Democrats got their shite together and Republicans lost theirs.

In terms of Dem vs. Repub the same thing happened with Scott Cawthon. He was just a Republican. A chill fellow. Yet Far Leftists pressed him for voting for who he thought was best. (Trump wasn’t the best. And won’t be. I’d rather have someone accused of “sniffing people (WTF)” than the obese McThicken.)

I'm not far right or don't know anyone that's far right, but I've never met a Republican or Conservative that claims minorities are too stupid to figure out how to vote as that's all coming from the Democrats. The Democrats think they need special rules just to help minorities because they can't follow the normal rules and guidelines that the majority have to abide by. When I was a Conservative I wanted fair elections and would welcome good turnouts. I didn't want to stop people from voting, I wanted as many people as possible to show up and vote, but the problem was there's like half of the country that just doesn't give a fuck about voting. However, that has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans.

Now that I'm an independent I still want the biggest turnout possible and welcome legal means of getting people to the polls. These new Arizona laws prevent interference and clamp down on possible fraud. Like I stated before, you already needed an ID to vote with, but now these are just a couple of new regulations that make complete sense and don't prevent minorities from voting.

 

[Deleted User]

Since you're so concerned and passionate about the homeless problem, why don't you turn your home into a homeless shelter and help these people get the proper documents, hm?

Shouldn't that you know, be the goverments responsibility? to make sure every member of society can function in it? Just a thought.

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I cannot provide it, as I don't own a home. I live in a apartment with the skin between my teeth holding on a thread each month.

 

[Lacius]

repeat after me bros

To Vote, I need an ID

Harvesting Votes is BAD

Repeat after me: Voter ID laws have been demonstrated to do nothing but disenfranchise voters and reduce voter turnout amongst targeted groups, and groups of minorities like rural Native Americans in Arizona depend on third-party ballot collectors. You should read up on the topic before spouting nonsense.

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I'm not far right or don't know anyone that's far right, but I've never met a Republican or Conservative that claims minorities are too stupid to figure out how to vote as that's all coming from the Democrats. The Democrats think they need special rules just to help minorities because they can't follow the normal rules and guidelines that the majority have to abide by. When I was a Conservative I wanted fair elections and would welcome good turnouts. I didn't want to stop people from voting, I wanted as many people as possible to show up and vote, but the problem was there's like half of the country that just doesn't give a fuck about voting. However, that has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans.

Now that I'm an independent I still want the biggest turnout possible and welcome legal means of getting people to the polls. These new Arizona laws prevent interference and clamp down on possible fraud. Like I stated before, you already needed an ID to vote with, but now these are just a couple of new regulations that make complete sense and don't prevent minorities from voting.

Minorities, rural voters, students, the poor, etc. are targeted by these laws, and turnout amongst these groups goes down as a consequence of these laws. And, these laws are in response to imaginary widespread fraud that doesn't actually exist. I'm not sure why anyone thinks these laws are a good thing.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

yup way to stick it to man! respond to a "Nonsense Comment" that question HUMAN WORTH by stating that the "NonSense Comment" is really what you feel in your heart of hearts.

Thanks for the heartfelt congratulations! It keeps me going!

Shouldn't that you know, be the goverments responsibility? to make sure every member of society can function in it? Just a thought.

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I cannot provide it, as I don't own a home. I live in a apartment with the skin between my teeth holding on a thread each month.

Ever hear of the phrase charity begins at home? I don't want the government to take care of me or anybody, I'm a grown adult who can care for themselves. I mean, if you don't want to do it, then fine, but you can't force others or the government to be responsible for other's actions and or current living situations.

 

[Valwinz]

Repeat after me: Voter ID laws have been demonstrated to do nothing but disenfranchise voters and reduce voter turnout amongst targeted groups, and groups of minorities like rural Native Americans in Arizona depend on third-party ballot collectors. You should read up on the topic before spouting nonsense.

pls stop your racism minorities are as smart as everyone else i will ask you to stop saying otherwise

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Repeat after me: Voter ID laws have been demonstrated to do nothing but disenfranchise voters and reduce voter turnout amongst targeted groups, and groups of minorities like rural Native Americans in Arizona depend on third-party ballot collectors. You should read up on the topic before spouting nonsense.

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Minorities, rural voters, students, the poor, etc. are targeted by these laws, and turnout amongst these groups goes down as a consequence of these laws. And, these laws are in response to imaginary widespread fraud that doesn't actually exist. I'm not sure why anyone thinks these laws are a good thing.

"Hello there fellow Minorities, rural voters, students, the poor, etc., since you're too stupid and lazy to get voter id and go out and vote at polling places, here's several thousand blank ballots to pass around for all! Nah it's okay, I trust ya!"

Not my words.

 

[Deleted User]

"Hello there fellow Minorities, rural voters, students, the poor, etc., since you're too stupid and lazy to get voter id and go out and vote at polling places, here's several thousand blank ballots to pass around for all! Nah it's okay, I trust ya!"

You:
Hello I'm mr racist. I'm trying to pretend to be not racist by creating a strawman of another persons argument. But I support your suppression by making it harder to get id, because you need to pay to get a new birth certificate and social security card due to being previously homeless and creating unnecessary obstructions to voting What's that? You lost your home or had to change homes often? Too bad it's your fault for being poor, just try harder mkay?
Meanwhile:
Everyone on the left:
minium wage needs to be increased to 15 dollars an hour
You: McDonald isn't supposed to be a living wage.
you: it's socialism
Me: so you support people dying on the streets
You: mah charity
Also you: It's their fault for ending up on the streets. (despite a economic collapse or loosing their job due to covid)
ALSO YOU: It's no one's responsibility (tells me to start charity)

 

[Lacius]

pls stop your racism minorities are as smart as everyone else i will ask you to stop saying otherwise

I never said they weren't. Please make sure to tag me if you decide to respond with something other than a straw man. Thanks.

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"Hello there fellow Minorities, rural voters, students, the poor, etc., since you're too stupid and lazy to get voter id and go out and vote at polling places, here's several thousand blank ballots to pass around for all! Nah it's okay, I trust ya!"

Not my words.

Those are your words, since I never said them. Tag me if you decide to make a post that isn't a lazy straw man.

Those with the stronger argument don't usually have to resort to arguing against straw men, by the way.

 

[WG481]

I'm not far right or don't know anyone that's far right, but I've never met a Republican or Conservative that claims minorities are too stupid to figure out how to vote as that's all coming from the Democrats. The Democrats think they need special rules just to help minorities because they can't follow the normal rules and guidelines that the majority have to abide by. When I was a Conservative I wanted fair elections and would welcome good turnouts. I didn't want to stop people from voting, I wanted as many people as possible to show up and vote, but the problem was there's like half of the country that just doesn't give a fuck about voting. However, that has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans.

Now that I'm an independent I still want the biggest turnout possible and welcome legal means of getting people to the polls. These new Arizona laws prevent interference and clamp down on possible fraud. Like I stated before, you already needed an ID to vote with, but now these are just a couple of new regulations that make complete sense and don't prevent minorities from voting.

Good heavens, you must not get out much. Most republicans I know downplay minorities to the max. These do prevent minorities from voting. Explanation: Lacius's post.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

You:
Hello I'm mr racist. I'm trying to pretend to be not racist by creating a strawman of another persons argument. But I support your suppression by making it harder to get id, because you need to pay to get a new birth certificate and social security card. What's that? You lost your home or had to change homes often? Too bad it's your fault for being poor, just try harder mkay?
Meanwhile:
Everyone on the left:
minium wage needs to be increased to 15 dollars an hour
You: McDonald isn't supposed to be a living wage.
Me: so you support people dying on the streets
You: mah charity
Also you: It's their fault for ending up on the streets. (despite a economic collapse or loosing their job due to covid)

Ah yes, the, "It's everyone else's fault I'm a failure and can't make millions on a job that's just supposed to be for paying rent as I go to school for my 50 grand liberal arts degree to complain about how unfair capatialism is and how communism works even though it destroys nations and genocides people" argument. Good luck in life buddy, you'll need it.

I never said they weren't. Please make sure to tag me if you decide to respond with something other than a straw man. Thanks.

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Those are your words, since I never said them. Tag me if you decide to make a post that isn't a lazy straw man.

Those with the stronger argument don't usually have to resort to arguing against straw men, by the way.

Dude you're "arguments" are usually long winded and full of bullshit anyways.

 

[Deleted User]

Ah yes, the, "It's everyone else's fault I'm a failure and can't make millions on a job that's just supposed to be for paying rent as I go to school for my 50 grand liberal arts degree to complain about how unfair capatialism is and how communism works even though it destroys nations and genocides people" argument. Good luck in life buddy, you'll need it.

Great strawman. Problem, Captalism does great genocide. Did you forget about all the nations we are at war with because we wanted oil in the middle east. Did you forget those bombings? highly convenient.

 

[Lacius]

Ah yes, the, "It's everyone else's fault I'm a failure and can't make millions on a job that's just supposed to be for paying rent as I go to school for my 50 grand liberal arts degree to complain about how unfair capatialism is and how communism works even though it destroys nations and genocides people" argument. Good luck in life buddy, you'll need it.

Dude you're "arguments" are usually long winded and full of bullshit anyways.

Tag me if/when you decide to actually provide a rebuttal to one of my "bullshit" arguments. Thanks.

 

[Deleted User]

Ah yes, the, "It's everyone else's fault I'm a failure and can't make millions on a job that's just supposed to be for paying rent as I go to school for my 50 grand liberal arts degree to complain about how unfair capatialism is and how communism works even though it destroys nations and genocides people" argument. Good luck in life buddy, you'll need it.

Should I also mention we profit of of war... and you know. Killing people? Huh, its' almost as if your argument makes no sense about how communism creates genocides. Despite the fact that all those cases was authortiran communism. And I don't think we have to go mention about china being state capitalist/authoritarian capitalist again do we?

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Great strawman. Problem, Captalism does great genocide. Did you forget about all the nations we are at war with because we wanted oil in the middle east. Did you forget those bombings? highly convenient.

That's not capitalism, that's politics. Big difference.

Tag me if/when you decide to actually provide a rebuttal to one of my "bullshit" arguments. Thanks.

Either make an argument worth rebutting and or stop reflecting/making excuses for your side and completely ignoring your side's faults then we'll talk.

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Should I also mention we profit of of war... and you know. Killing people? Huh, its' almost as if your argument makes no sense about how communism creates genocides. Despite the fact that all those cases was authortiran communism. And I don't think we have to go mention about china being state capitalist/authoritarian capitalist again do we?

Call me back when communism doesn't starve people to death or kill all the poor people.