Super Mario Party Jamboree has leaked online a week ahead of its official release

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As is the case for most Nintendo Switch first-party releases, Super Mario Party Jamboree has been leaked, with an XCI version of the game being spread across the internet. People with hacked Switch systems are playing the game, and uploading gameplay footage online a week ahead of the game's official release date, which is October 17th. It also appears to run in Ryujinx, despite the emulator no longer being developed.

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That's why I don't think it's wise that all of this stuff is happening during the platform's lifespan
I think I can understand that sentiment, but I think it's more an issue of how it's accessible, hence why I mentioned it to begin with. They might be related in some way anyway because as you said, they clearly see it as some amalgamation of things that hurt their sales, but accessibility clearly plays a major role on how « much » piracy there is. Smash Bros was leaked so early, almost 3 weeks before the official release iirc, but emulators weren't as popular as they were, there wasn't any SteamDeck to even emulate the console on a handheld.
people will still be persistent enough to get what they want even if it's more difficult
Not most people clearly. That's probably my own anecdotal evidence, but I know that when there's a semblance of risk, or manipulations that people aren't used to, even if I were to propose to do that stuff for them on Anydesk, most people won't feel like it.
Now, they still pirate some stuff, but they're using repackers, one click installers and shaddy websites that are known to be not really trustworthy (but most people don't). They can't even figure out how to navigate on cs.rin.ru and need to follow some Youtube tutorials for that. That's a major turn-off, and I think that's to the benefit of the scene in general.
Not saying that we should make things complicated by design, but going out of the way to make it easier to download stuff creates problems we never wanted to solve. Sure we like to share and all, I like it too. But I also wish people would do the bare minimum of research, and know what they're doing.

My best friend struggles to mod his V1 Switch despite me not getting banned online and being able to give him whatever he would need to avoid such. But I always try to make sure that people are aware of the risks, and that's what makes people reconsider.
Heck, I've had multiple people trying to figure out the new Steam Family system, I was able to play Sea of Thieves and Helldivers 1 with my little brother with a single copy at the same time, and my friends didn't want to take the risk because they're afraid that Steam might nuke their account or something.

In short, I think that it's more productive to have things harder to access, rather than asking people to think about devs and their job safety. That's probably why Nintendo's approach will work. It just sucks that things need to be this way.
 
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I think I can understand that sentiment, but I think it's more an issue of how it's accessible, hence why I mentioned it to begin with. They might be related in some way anyway because as you said, they clearly see it as some amalgamation of things that hurt their sales, but accessibility clearly plays a major role on how « much » piracy there is. Smash Bros was leaked so early, almost 3 weeks before the official release iirc, but emulators weren't as popular as they were, there wasn't any SteamDeck to even emulate the console on a handheld.

Not most people clearly. That's probably my own anecdotal evidence, but I know that when there's a semblance of risk, or manipulations that people aren't used to, even if I were to propose to do that stuff for them on Anydesk, most people won't feel like it.
Now, they still pirate some stuff, but they're using repackers, one click installers and shaddy websites that are known to be not really trustworthy (but most people don't). They can't even figure out how to navigate on cs.rin.ru and need to follow some Youtube tutorials for that. That's a major turn-off, and I think that's to the benefit of the scene in general.
Not saying that we should make things complicated by design, but going out of the way to make it easier to download stuff creates problems we never wanted to solve. Sure we like to share and all, I like it too. But I also wish people would do the bare minimum of research, and know what they're doing.

My best friend struggles to mod his V1 Switch despite me not getting banned online and being able to give him whatever he would need to avoid such. But I always try to make sure that people are aware of the risks, and that's what makes people reconsider.
Heck, I've had multiple people trying to figure out the new Steam Family system, I was able to play Sea of Thieves and Helldivers 1 with my little brother with a single copy at the same time, and my friends didn't want to take the risk because they're afraid that Steam might nuke their account or something.

In short, I think that it's more productive to have things harder to access, rather than asking people to think about devs and their job safety. That's probably why Nintendo's approach will work. It just sucks that things need to be this way.
Difficulty isn't the issue, I've seen the evidence for myself for years, the differences with piracy then and now. Nothing has really changed or shifted where ROMs are concerned, there was always a surface web location for these things, likewise with emulation, known popular places ended up falling off, so another set of places end up carrying the torch instead.

The problem really boils down to choice, everyone has one, most just don't choose wisely let alone thinks about the consequences. I would say the only big difference from back then to now, no fear of consequences, people used to fear, the law has been the same for years, but more and more people have gotten careless about the consequences, risks no longer feeling like risks, etc.. People have become too comfortable, way too much to the point a lot of people literally think they are untouchable, and have a big headed ego to boot with it.
 

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So you think it’s best for me on 17.0 to just update to 19.0 and use pre-release ams? Or go to 18.1 instead?
 

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Many of which were also Pre-Iwata employees, where Nintendo's stances about things like piracy that they had made very public was still the same as it is now. Do I need to remind you the actual anti-piracy screens they embedded into almost every SNES game they made and the instances where their partners/subsidiaries like HAL going the extra mile to make the experience miserable in thier games that is meticulously documented on The Cutting Room Floor?
I don't see why that matters, I never said Nintendo was ever pro-piracy or HAL, etc. I'm saying that I had respect for Nintendo when they utilized blue ocean strategies. How particular developers feel about something has no bearing on that.
 
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It doesn't have to be illegal to not be allowed in an internet forum.
A forum isn't democracy, it's not a public place.

Therefore their forum, their rule. But that also means they could absolutely ban discussions regarding piracy if they wanted, as their "Zero Piracy Tolerance" suggests.


Nintendo doesn't do half the shady shit a lot of western developers do but sure, that doesn't mean they are undeserving of being hated, as long as the hate isn't a poor excuse to pirate brand new games, which it is for a lot of people.
There are legit reasons to be annoyed at Nintendo, but this isn't one of them. They are 100% right to go after people that try to pirate day 1, that leak gameplay or spoil content before the game is out, and unfortunately emulators get caught in the cross fire.

Blaming Nintendo for a security breach, rather than the bad actors that do that is one thing, but to go on with what you said, just because their security is shit (I thought that was NVidia not Nintendo in this case but whatever) doesn't mean pirates are undeserving of being hated.
They absolutely fucking do. They make it harder on everyone, they fuel Nintendo resolve to go after emulators / modding scene while weakening the case of legal preservation. And they have the balls to blame Nintendo on top of it.

We are consumers of their games, it's in our interest as gamers to see companies that make good video games to thrive and succeed in the long run.
I dunno how to exactly split a quoted post, so, follow my reply for each paragraph in your post:
If its not a public place, then how come it is allowed to the public
lol
But sure, let's ban talk about piracy. What's come next? Perhaps let's also ban talking about modding, because it could lead towards piracy. Let's also ban discussion about consoles, because that too could lead to talk towards piracy.
Let's just close the forums and chatrooms and have the site be read-only, lol.
One thing you could try doing, when something bothers you, which is what I tend to do for the most time... is ignore it.

I'll give you that, they're in the right to do that.

NVidia may have had the hardware with shit security, Nintendo still chose to use it 'cus it's well known now that they're cheapskates when it comes to hardware. Think the only time they had better hardware than the competition was with the Gamecube, and that one still failed for the most part due to their idiotic decisions when it came to the disks and how much data could be stored in them, meaning every game studio gravitated mostly towards the PS2.
Regarding the last part of your third paragraph, nah, I think you're naive in thinking Nintendo wouldn't go down as hard as they do on basically everything related to their crap if it wasn't for their games being pirated. In their own words, "All kinds of emulation is illegal". They'd totally still go after rom sites that host their ancient games they haven't drip fed to their services yet, they'd shut down any fangame, mods, video, fan art or whatever related to them.
The other game corpos may be more scum for the cancer they put in their games and whatnot, but Nintendo is one company consistently going against their fanbase, even when it doesn't hurt them in the slightest. For that I don't pity them at all.

Lastly, no, we aren't consumers. We're customers. And we have the right to pretend better from them.
 
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Many of which were also Pre-Iwata employees, where Nintendo's stances about things like piracy that they had made very public was still the same as it is now. Do I need to remind you the actual anti-piracy screens they embedded into almost every SNES game they made and the instances where their partners/subsidiaries like HAL going the extra mile to make the experience miserable in thier games that is meticulously documented on The Cutting Room Floor?
The funny thing is, piracy was so common in my country back then that when I played those kind of games as a kid I wouldn't even know it was a piracy issue. I couldn't understand english either. In the worst case scenario I would just try to play the game over and over and hope the """bug""" wouldn't resurface.

Fucking Spyro 3 man, that one programmer go fuck himself lol
 
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But sure, let's ban talk about piracy. What's come next? Perhaps let's also ban talking about modding, because it could lead towards piracy. Let's also ban discussion about consoles, because that too could lead to talk towards piracy.
That is a big slippery slope is I ever saw one. There is a world between enabling piracy and closing down the site where emulation, fan made projects, modding, game preservation etc live. That stuff is legal, or at worst, grey area.
But no, let's talk about what is definitely, without the shadow of a doubt, illegal and let's pretend that if we were to restrict it it would lead to the death of the site.
It wouldn't.

Many modders want nothing to do with piracy, and for good reason. Modding communities are full of passionate people who only wish to keep the games they love alive and share their work with the community. Game preservation aims to ensure that all games ever released remain perpetually accessible.
Piracy does none of that and on the contrary it poses a threat to communities.

Blaming Nintendo for taking action and for their "shitty hardware" is kinda weird, honestly. It's not like Sony does much better and they've always liked to see themselves as the Rolls-Royce of consoles. And that changes nothing on the morality or legality standpoint.
And in any case, people pirate because they don't have the money, because they're cheap, because they don't care... they don't pirate to show support for the modding / emulation community. If they did it would achieve the exact opposite as it fuels lawsuits with evidence of damage.

DeadSkullzJr said it really well, people have gotten too comfortable taking about piracy like it's no big deal and yes I do think this was a major reason for Nintendo to go so hard on emulators after the TotK/Yuzu incident.
I'm not naive, I know that even without piracy they'd still probably go against fan projects or modding from time to time, It is shitty, but it's then down to us to prove them (and the courts) that these projects aren't a threat. How else do you ever expect things to get better? Certainly no with these self-interested crusades against them and going full on piracy instead.

It all comes down to what kind of community we want to be in the end. If we want to be seen as a mature community that is driven by passion and wants to work with publishers to enhance games (and their brand) then we should in fact not be tolerating discussions about piracy.
There is not a world where Nintendo & others will ever lessen their restrictions so long as people are so openly bragging about pirating their games before their release date. It will never lead to a better outcome for the community.
It's a lose-lose situation.

Finally, customers are consumers.
Pirates aren't customers, they're only consumers. They don't get to steal from companies then complain about how said companies choose to deal with their piracy problem later.
 

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Hooray! Yay! Let get it now. B-)


Next one more Nintendo game in November 2024:

Mario & Luigi Brothership - Release Date 11-7-2024

I think this game will require firmware 18.1.0. Also maybe will be able to play on Ryujinx emulator.



Any new games come out in new year 2025 will require firmware 19.0.0 and newer. It would cause more problems affect Yuzu and Ryujinx emulators.

Donkey Kong Country Returns HD - Release Date 1-16-2025

Metroid Prime 4 - Release date: 2025

Pokemon Legends: Z-A - Release date: TBC 2025



Then Nintendo Switch life cycle will reach at end of life after Nintendo Switch 2 come out. RIP to Nintendo Switch in near future. :(
Switch will get several new first party games for 2-3 years after Switch 2 come out.
 
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NVidia may have had the hardware with shit security, Nintendo still chose to use it 'cus it's well known now that they're cheapskates when it comes to hardware.

You do realize why they go for cheap hardware, right? Their entire modus operandi is being affordable for a family. They ALWAYS go for weaker, cheaper hardware because it sells better, and they drag the absolute best performance out it, for the best price available.

The Switch is the best console you can buy, in terms of value of gaming VS money spent. It's only beaten by a Steam Deck, and that's saying a lot.

You really wait to paint Nintendo as a villain for being cheap with hardware, but apart from the WiiU, who consistently comes out on top in these dumb "console wars"? Nintendo. They know what they're doing.
 
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Not sure how much I want to involve myself in those discussions but I'm starting to notice some patterns that bothers me, which are:

- Being open about piracy talk and hating a company = childish behavior
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- "Nooo don't go against this abusive company or they might get more abusive in return"

You can encourage people to support your favorite game franchises without having to resort to these kind of tatics.

There are many factor and different points of views in discussions like these and I think that artificially establishing what's "right" and "wrong" before elaborating your opinion is super counter-productive.

By the way one can be a modder and a pirate at the same time. Those aren't conflicting traits, regardless of what the tendency is in existing modding communities.
 
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- Being open about piracy talk and hating a company = childish behavior
or
- "Nooo don't go against this abusive company or they might get more abusive in return"

You can encourage people to support your favorite game franchises without having to resort to these kind of tatics.

There are many factor and different points of views in discussions like these and I think that artificially establishing what's "right" and "wrong" before elaborating your opinion is super counter-productive.

Slippery slopes are tactics, bringing up completely irrelevant criticism (cheap hardware?) to justify piracy are tactics, twisting words (who said you can't hate on a company or go after them?) are tactics.

What isn't tactics is stating a simple fact, piracy is illegal, and openly bragging about pirating/streaming/spoiling games before their release only adds fuel for Nintendo to go after what we care about.
This behavior is a net negative to the community > That part is opinion, and it's grounded in evidence of what they did when they shot down Yuzu and their claim in the lawsuit.
Please note that I'm not even commenting on whether they should or should not pirate, but that they publicize it like it's nothing, like there's never consequences and that nobody will get impacted. Well there was an impact and a pretty big one a few months ago.

I'm not sure how else we're supposed to discuss than by talking about what we think is right or wrong? This is literally what everyone is doing.

Maybe you can provide your own vision of right and wrong? How do you morally justify the piracy of brand new games, the streaming and spoilers ahead of release etc.? Do you think theses are acts of rebellion against an abusive company?
 
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These piracy woke stuff are stupid at best.

"I hate Nintendo so much that I'm going to start promoting their name by constantly mentioning stuff about them."

If these people are smart, they will not mention anything Nintendo if they truly hate Nintendo and drown them to irrelevance.
 

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Listen up guys. I know you're filled with enjoyment, but... stop. We have to stay undercover. This is why Yuzu and Ryujinx are dead now. Just... let us get our news from our sources, regarding this specific topic.
 

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