Students Asked To Leave Multicultural Room For 'Police Lives Matter' Sticker

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Again, gaming forum. Thats what it says on the tin. If you want to help promote and make space for hate speech (which if you consider 'meaningful' and are actually arguing to platform is the real red flag here), go to Parler or some other wannabee uberrace wankfest that will cater to you. They like that poison and theyll like you. You can have your own little circle there and leave everyone else get on with gaming.
There is this section. We can go back through forum history prior to the creation of this section and find any number of topics similar to this.
You are the one imagining this as some kind of "all gaming, all the time" setup (not that it is a particularly good argument even then), and seemingly also going under the paranoid delusions that ists and istaphobes are seemingly under every rock. Must really suck to live under such fear and paranoia.
 
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Again, gaming forum. Thats what it says on the tin. If you want to help promote and make space for hate speech (which if you consider 'meaningful' and are actually arguing to platform is the real red flag here), go to Parler or some other wannabee uberrace wankfest that will cater to you. They like that poison and theyll like you. You can have your own little circle there and leave everyone else get on with gaming.
Why click on the politics section then complain people are talking about politics in it?
 
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There is this section. We can go back through forum history prior to the creation of this section and find any number of topics similar to this.
You are the one imagining this as some kind of "all gaming, all the time" setup (not that it is a particularly good argument even then), and seemingly also going under the paranoid delusions that ists and istaphobes are seemingly under every rock. Must really suck to live under such fear and paranoia.
Never said gaming all the time, so no words in my mouth. I said get rid of politics ie ALL of it so people cant claim that theyre being singled out. The original point of this is that Police Lives Matter is a white supremacist argument and should not be platformed. Thats it. The only people who want to 'discuss' are those trying to garner support for that crap and the only ones crying when theyre called out about it. The primary purpose of this site should be gaming as described ("GBA"?"). I also never said theyre 'under every rock', there are plenty making room for them to operate here on this forum. Stop projecting, good man.
 
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Why click on the politics section then complain people are talking about politics in it?

And just joined the site yesterday. Complains about political speech he doesn't like being present on a gaming forum, but as far as I can see has yet to post in any of the gaming subforums. Multiple posts calling for other members to be banned.

Occam's Razor says trolling alt, but that never happens here, right? ; )
 

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Again, gaming forum. Thats what it says on the tin. If you want to help promote and make space for hate speech (which if you consider 'meaningful' and are actually arguing to platform is the real red flag here), go to Parler or some other wannabee uberrace wankfest that will cater to you. They like that poison and theyll like you. You can have your own little circle there and leave everyone else get on with gaming.
You've come to the "World News, Current Events & Politics" space of your own accord. Also there is no reason why one space could not lend it self for something else perse. Like everything needs to be compartmentalized. The racism card is old, and lost any impact because of the over and misuse, im so over it. And so are many other people. Time to tend to those trauma wounds perhaps. It is like you WANT racism so bad since it is all you can do is talk about it. Like morgan freeman said, best thing against racism is, stop talking about it.
 
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Why click on the politics section then complain people are talking about politics in it?
Because people arent using it to talk 'politics', theyre using it to platform hate speech. This thread was started with white supremacist crap on it. If you cant get it off in good time then get rid of the lot and take away their excuse for putting it up.

Ive been lurking on these forums and have joined on and off in recent times. Im seeing the name again and again pushing that crap, the same ones above that are trying to defend having Police Lives Matter videos and throwing all kinds of straw into the wind. The wind is blowing in one direction though: white supremacist narratives are being platformed on this site, and the same few are trying to defend it. Get rid of them.
 
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Never said gaming all the time, so no words in my mouth. I said get rid of politics ie ALL of it so people cant claim that theyre being singled out. The original point of this is that Police Lives Matter is a white supremacist argument and should not be platformed. Thats it. The only people who want to 'discuss' are those trying to garner support for that crap and the only ones crying when theyre called out about it. The primary purpose of this site should be gaming as described ("GBA"?"). I also never said theyre 'under every rock', there are plenty making room for them to operate here on this forum. Stop projecting, good man.
But politics is in the world and we seem to have had nice discussions for years and years now. Losing it now, indeed changing to your particular whims, would serve little purpose from where I sit and cause a moderation headache as we then get to decide "is political, is not political, is political but has direct relevance to games because some moron is trying to restrict them/lift restrictions/tax them/lose taxes on them/cause onerous burdens/lift onerous burdens on game devs...". Going with the old standby of "might not care for what you have to say but your right to say it is wonderful" seems like the easier route, and one that demonstrably works and is generally in line with the free to play it as you will thing that actually forms the backbone of the site ("my device, my rules" being the underpinning of the site ethos if there is one).

Why would I ascribe some kind of white supremacist hidden meaning to the phrase (not that the four white supremacists still around I guess in this case in the US have any real chance of bothering me/anybody) rather than reading it plain, not to mention variations of the theme have been around for years and years at this point (not like police are not attacked, underfunded, overstretched and whatever else at times and needing some community action to get them better sorted), and the reaction to it some kind of overreaction by clueless or maybe those with a vested interest in other lines of thought? Do we need to bust out the venn diagrams?
 
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Historically, its Black/POC groups who are by far and away the most discriminated against globally.
Does your "POC" include East Asians? East Asians are far less likely to be victims of police brutality wherever you find them. I wonder why? Could it be that they commit less crimes and therefore have to deal with police less often? Do they try to run away from police less often etc etc. We all kow the answer. That is why people who use the term POC try to exclude East Asians and come up with the ridiculous conspiracy theory that Whites turned East Asians into a model minority, i.e. East Asians do not have agency (e.g. study harder than other groups) but are simply pawns.
Are those white conspirators co-ordinating worldwide? Because for some odd reason, East Asians show the same behavior in countries around the world, including those in which there are basically no Whites. [I use the term "Whites" only because "European" is often misunderstood]
 

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Because people arent using it to talk 'politics', theyre using it to platform hate speech. This thread was started with white supremacist crap on it. If you cant get it off in good time then get rid of the lot and take away their excuse for putting it up.
Right if someone is for police lives matters, as nurse lives matter, store clerk lives matter, or whatever lives matters, thus you are white supremacist??!! but if you say black live matters, you are suddenly not white supremist? haha wth is this kinda logic.
You know there are also black police im just saying. xD

For all you know they might be not white at all, or I am not even. What do you know.
It is fantastical to see how you can term a very basic positive term Like, X live matter and Y live matter, to something and link to hate speech, it just shows the lack of understanding and toxic mind when the statement itself is one of appreciation and love.

Now, if you are using that line to make others feel less then or to belittle as in, my live matter, and yours does not or as much, then that is a TOTALLY other subject.
 
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But politics is in the world and we seem to have had nice discussions for years and years now. Losing it now, indeed changing to your particular whims, would serve little purpose from where I sit and cause a moderation headache as we then get to decide "is political, is not political, is political but has direct relevance to games because some moron is trying to restrict them/lift restrictions/tax them/lose taxes on them/cause onerous burdens/lift onerous burdens on game devs...". Going with the old standby of "might not care for what you have to say but your right to say it is wonderful" seems like the easier route, and one that demonstrably works and is generally in line with the free to play it as you will thing that actually forms the backbone of the site ("my device, my rules" being the underpinning of the site ethos if there is one).

Why would I ascribe some kind of white supremacist hidden meaning to the phrase (not that the four white supremacists still around I guess in this case in the US have any real chance of bothering me/anybody) rather than reading it plain, not to mention variations of the theme have been around for years and years at this point (not like police are not attacked, underfunded, overstretched and whatever else at times and needing some community action to get them better sorted), and the reaction to it some kind of overreaction by clueless or maybe those with a vested interest in other lines of thought? Do we need to bust out the venn diagrams?
First bloody semi intelligent reply on this so fair play. Having said that: I get the practical difficulties you describe and that ethos is fine...but its not politics being discussed here, its hate speech platforming being shoved under the 'politics' umbrella. its a different kettle of fish. Its not 'whims' and the Police Lives Matter reaction isnt just some benign phrase. its a white supremacist term (hence the capitalization I'm using of "Police Lives Matter"), its an umbrella under which that poison is pushed. It was a reaction to Black Lives Matter because some arseholes though that if discriminated communities got some relief, they automatically thought they were losing out (someone's earlier post tried projecting that earlier) hence the counter claims of 'white racism'. It pretends to support police when in reality its just a paranoid reaction to the genuine grievances of Black/minority communities. Issues of poor police funding etc is a separate issue, thats just being used as an excuse to promote what behind the Police Lives Matter "brand".

If you can prevent hate speech platforming without getting rid of the Politics section then sure keep it. But so far it hasnt happened, hence my arguing for its removal. Up to yourselves of course.
 
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Right if someone is for police lives matters, as nurse lives matter, store clerk lives matter, or whatever lives matters, thus you are white supremacist??!! but if you say black live matters, you are suddenly not white supremist? haha wth is this kinda logic.
You know there are also black police im just saying. xD

For all you know they might be not white at all, or I am not even. What do you know.
It is fantastical to see how you can term a very basic positive term Like, X live matter and Y live matter, to something and link to hate speech, it just shows the lack of understanding and toxic mind when the statement itself is one of appreciation and love.

Now, if you are using that line to make others feel less then or to belittle as in, my live matter, and yours does not or as much, then that is a TOTALLY other subject.
Right if someone is for police lives matters, as nurse lives matter, store clerk lives matter, or whatever lives matters, thus you are white supremacist??!! but if you say black live matters, you are suddenly not white supremist? haha wth is this kinda logic.
You know there are also black police im just saying. xD

For all you know they might be not white at all, or I am not even. What do you know.
It is fantastical to see how you can term a very basic positive term Like, X live matter and Y live matter, to something and link to hate speech, it just shows the lack of understanding and toxic mind when the statement itself is one of appreciation and love.

Now, if you are using that line to make others feel less then or to belittle as in, my live matter, and yours does not or as much, then t

Right if someone is for police lives matters, as nurse lives matter, store clerk lives matter, or whatever lives matters, thus you are white supremacist??!! but if you say black live matters, you are suddenly not white supremist? haha wth is this kinda logic.
You know there are also black police im just saying. xD

For all you know they might be not white at all, or I am not even. What do you know.
It is fantastical to see how you can term a very basic positive term Like, X live matter and Y live matter, to something and link to hate speech, it just shows the lack of understanding and toxic mind when the statement itself is one of appreciation and love.

Now, if you are using that line to make others feel less then or to belittle as in, my live matter, and yours does not or as much, then that is a TOTALLY other subject

Theres a difference between saying "Police lives matter" and "Police Lives Matter", those capital letters make all the difference. Im talking about Police Lives Matter, which was a counter narrative set up in reaction to Black Lives Matter by white supremacists. Its has no other purpose then to 'silence' those injustices highlighted by Black Lives Matter. Thats it in a nutshell. Its not interested in promoting the welfare of the police, its looking to hijack whatever grievances they have and try and use them to 'silence' those highlighted by the Black Lives Matter movement. That is why Im saying videos and arguments promoting Police Lives Matter need to be banned from here. Thats what it comes down to.

Lads I really am leaving it at this point, all the best.
 

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Having watched the video in the OP, I have mixed feelings about parts of this.

Clearly the guy with the sticker on his laptop has knowingly gone into a “Multicultural Space” with a controversial slogan stuck to his laptop with the intention to provoke a reaction and antagonise people. I appreciate that people have their own views, opinions and beliefs, but given all that has been going on over the last 12 months with regards to marginalised communities and law enforcement I think this was a very insensitive thing to do. You can’t tell me that this guy didn’t know exactly what he was doing.

On the flip side I also do not agree with the idea of a “Multicultural Space”. Does this not lead to the kind of segregation that BLM and similar causes are very much trying to eradicate? You want “Multiculture Spaces” with the idea of exclusive area for people who are not white, but then make comments that “Reverse Racism is not a thing”? I really do not understand this logic, somebody care to explain?

I personally think that this whole video is full very childish people who are trying to push their views onto other people and are going the complete wrong way of getting any valid points across. It’s almost like both parties involved were just going out of their way and looking for confrontation.
 

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Guy can have whatever stickers he wants on his laptop, it’s his laptop. Anyone who has a problem with that has issues that go deeper than just getting triggered over a sticker. If you don’t like the logo or the words then I’ve got great news for you - it’s not your laptop. You don’t have to read them, you don’t have to look at them, you don’t even have to interact with the person displaying them at all.
 

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Clearly the guy with the sticker on his laptop has knowingly gone into a “Multicultural Space” with a controversial slogan stuck to his laptop with the intention to provoke a reaction and antagonise people. I appreciate that people have their own views, opinions and beliefs, but given all that has been going on over the last 12 months with regards to marginalised communities and law enforcement I think this was a very insensitive thing to do. You can’t tell me that this guy didn’t know exactly what he was doing.

You're certainly correct, there was definitely an intention to provoke a response, and it worked. When liberals do that to create a controversy, such as with the gay wedding cake request at Masterpiece Cakeshop, it's called activism.

Whether you agree with the position of the person attempting to evoke a response is secondary to whether you think kind of political "activism" by laying a trap is acceptable. Personally I don't like it, regardless of who's doing it. But there's no reason only leftist/progressive causes get excused for it. These guys wanted to bring attention to de facto racial segregation and suppression of speech at a public institution, and it worked.
 
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I usually have a visceral reaction to whenever I perceive injustice so that video was tough to watch.

From everything I've heard over the last few years, it seems American universities are in a really bad state. I wonder if the actual reality is how it seems or if it's blown out of proportion.
 
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I'm going to say this hoping it won't get missunderstood and with a total sense of respect to all lives taken under all possible circumstances:

I don't like to play victim, nor victimizer, I'm beyond that point.
 

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I usually have a visceral reaction to whenever I perceive injustice so that video was tough to watch.

From everything I've heard over the last few years, it seems American universities are in a really bad state. I wonder if the actual reality is how it seems or if it's blown out of proportion.
This society is broken
 

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Guy can have whatever stickers he wants on his laptop, it’s his laptop. Anyone who has a problem with that has issues that go deeper than just getting triggered over a sticker. If you don’t like the logo or the words then I’ve got great news for you - it’s not your laptop. You don’t have to read them, you don’t have to look at them, you don’t even have to interact with the person displaying them at all.
From the Communist Symbols thread

"People can follow whatever ideologies they want, it doesn’t bother me - we’ll only have a problem if they show up on my doorstep to enact their nonsense..."

Isn't that what this guy did though? Purposely put a sticker the people's doorstep he showed up on knowing it would cause a negative reaction?

Freedom of speech is something recognized by both sides, but neither side seems to understand that freedom of speech does not absolve freedom of repercussions. The guy showed up to a place he shouldn't have been in, displaying ideals he knew would not be welcomed, and got thrown out. It's literally the same mentality behind the baker that refused to make a cake for the gay wedding the Republicans whined about, last year I believe it was.

Here's a comparison: when leftists evoke a response, it's called activism. It seems to be that the general consensus of this thread is that, if leftists are allowed to incite activism, then rights should be able to incite activism as well, correct? Well, for years POC were segregated from using anything a white person used, from schools to transportation, to bathrooms. So why can't there be multi cultural establishments that promote multi cultural development? For years Americans were taught white only history, and it should be kept that way?
 

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Guy can have whatever stickers he wants on his laptop, it’s his laptop. Anyone who has a problem with that has issues that go deeper than just getting triggered over a sticker. If you don’t like the logo or the words then I’ve got great news for you - it’s not your laptop. You don’t have to read them, you don’t have to look at them, you don’t even have to interact with the person displaying them at all.
Wear a Nazi armband to a Synagogue and tell us how your opinion here pans out. This kid showed up to a space with something, if not currently offensive, at least insensitive. And while I'm willing to give a benefit of the doubt, I also can't be mad at the other kids in that room who were upset.

EDIT: Folks do need to chill out about symbols, you aren't wrong there. But there are some things that just are not acceptable.
 
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