Students Asked To Leave Multicultural Room For 'Police Lives Matter' Sticker

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First, let's get our definitions straight. When I say genes, I mean DNA. The environment is basically everything else, or everything that you would interact with. Also, there is a somewhat subtle difference between race and biology that you may not be aware of: biology depends on genetics or physical traits, while race is an identity or category assigned by society.

Interestingly enough, when I went to school (a long time ago admittedly) race was not defined socially at all. It was only mentioned in a science class and the races we were told existed were Caucasian, Negroid and Mongoloid (I might be forgetting one).

Edit: I probably should've been more specific, it was an anatomy class. It always confused me to hear Americans use Caucasian to only mean white, since it includes about a billion Indian people too.
 
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but comparing IQ’s in Sub-Saharan Africa where large swathes of the population are malnourished (which heavily affects mental development, especially over long stretches of time) to IQ’s in developed countries is inherently unfair.
That´s why I suggested to compare groups within countries (not specifically about IQ but success in school or at work or crime rates). My challenge still stands: anyone is welcome to show me any country in which the pattern is reversed. If men are faster average runners in every country on earth, perhaps there is a reason for it. Perhaps women aren´t slower because of injustice. That doesn´t mean we should stop trying to make them faster (not that running speed in important, it is just allegory). I have to disagree that this discussion is off topic. The students were triggered by a sticker supporting the police. That´s because they assume African-Americans are victims. This only exists due to the naive belief that all groups of people score the same on any given metric.
 

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That´s why I suggested to compare groups within countries (not specifically about IQ but success in school or at work or crime rates). My challenge still stands: anyone is welcome to show me any country in which the pattern is reversed. If men are faster average runners in every country on earth, perhaps there is a reason for it. Perhaps women aren´t slower because of injustice. That doesn´t mean we should stop trying to make them faster (not that running speed in important, it is just allegory). I have to disagree that this discussion is off topic. The students were triggered by a sticker supporting the police. That´s because they assume African-Americans are victims. This only exists due to the naive belief that all groups of people score the same on any given metric.
We’re a sexually dimorphic species, of course women are different. They’re not “faster runners”, on the other hand, they have significantly higher pain thresholds. It’s almost as if the two sexes evolved for specific functions, huh? Nobody is denying that, doing so is foolish.

I also didn’t say that there are no broad strokes differences between races, or rather, specific gene pools - if a given population inhabited a given region for thousands of years then you would expect it to be adapted to the environment to a certain extent, not even via evolution (since we are in fact all the exact same species) but via survival of the fittest and breeding selection. My approach has always been the Dawkins one - if there are differences between races of people that are of taxonomical importance then they should be explored and there’s no shame in it - the subject might be uncomfortable to some, but comfort isn’t relevant in those discussions. Researching these matters is important particularly in the field of medicine since it’s pretty clear looking at statistical evidence that different races have different risk factors. You mentioned vitamin D deficiency yourself - that’s a problem that affects 1/2 of the U.S. population, and 3/4 of that affected group are black and Latino americans. That doesn’t make them “inferior” or “superior”, it’s a direct consequence of different skin tone and melanin levels which affects vitamin D metabolism, since it’s strictly tied to sunlight. What it does entail, for instance, is different dietary recommendations to balance that out.

None of that has any relevance to the subject at hand, namely the clash between supporting or being antagonistic towards the police. The students in the video didn’t go on a rant because they score differently compared to their peers, they were “triggered” due to their belief (founded or unfounded) that the police is persecuting against them based on race. That doesn’t have a biological underpinning, and I don’t know why you’d ascribe one to it. I suggest that you don’t going forwards. In case I’m not being clear, this is a polite way of saying “don’t”.
 

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None of that has any relevance to the subject at hand, namely the clash between supporting or being antagonistic towards the police. The students in the video didn’t go on a rant because they score differently compared to their peers, they were “triggered” due to their belief (founded or unfounded) that the police is persecuting against them based on race. That doesn’t have a biological underpinning, and I don’t know why you’d ascribe one to it. I suggest that you don’t going forwards. In case I’m not being clear, this is a polite way of saying “don’t”.
I just explained it. It is the assumption of equal outcome. It is a pseudo-religious belief in Western civilization. Since the outcome is not equal, there must be someone to blame, i.e. the police who are racist. This aspect is the most relevant to this discussion. I have said everything I wanted to say about it.
 

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I just explained it. It is the assumption of equal outcome. It is a pseudo-religious belief in Western civilization. Since the outcome is not equal, there must be someone to blame, i.e. the police who are racist. This aspect is the most relevant to this discussion. I have said everything I wanted to say about it.
In all fairness, the expectation of equal outcome was always bizarre to me also, output is in large part determined by the input. With that being said, I would appreciate it if the discussion steered clear of any biology-based arguments because it has a faint smell of phrenology to it. There are pretty obvious biological differences between races, or even individuals within one race, however that has little to do with upbringing. Your mode of thinking might be heritable to a certain expect, your ideals are not, unless you want to make a detour into Jungian archetypes which also seem out of the scope of this thread.
 

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Interestingly enough, when I went to school (a long time ago admittedly) race was not defined socially at all. It was only mentioned in a science class and the races we were told existed were Caucasian, Negroid and Mongoloid (I might be forgetting one).

Edit: I probably should've been more specific, it was an anatomy class. It always confused me to hear Americans use Caucasian to only mean white, since it includes about a billion Indian people too.
I suppose it makes sense to have seen it in an anatomy class, since scientists back then (around the time those terms came about) were looking at skull sizes and other such things to find biological differences between races. The shift to a social definition was probably ongoing around the time you went to school, as DNA wasn't discovered that long ago.

Also, I think 'Caucasoid' should be used over 'Caucasian' because it is more consistent and sounds funnier.
 

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I suppose it makes sense to have seen it in an anatomy class, since scientists back then (around the time those terms came about) were looking at skull sizes and other such things to find biological differences between races. The shift to a social definition was probably ongoing around the time you went to school, as DNA wasn't discovered that long ago.

Also, I think 'Caucasoid' should be used over 'Caucasian' because it is more consistent and sounds funnier.
DNA was discovered in 1863, by 1881 its nucleotide bases were isolated, the double helix structure was described in 1953 and by 1993 the Human Genome Project was already underway. Phrenology, the pseudoscience of determining a person’s race based on the shape of their skull, was discredited since the 1840’s, no person alive today would learn about it in school. It had a very brief resurgence in the 20th century, but was considered a pseudoscience at that point. The reason why races were described the way they were was for purely anthropological reasons, as a way to classify phenotypes more broadly.
 

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Most people are wasting their breath believing they can vote in changes for the system while voting for someone like Biden or supporting Trump. Neither will bring much change and what changes they will bring will either be completely pointless or continue the same cycle of problems. So it is kind of a bigger problem and unfortunately, the police are part of that problem. That being said, I still stand by my suggestions because they aren't that unreasonable and aren't even the most extreme of a stance that I would normally purpose.
So screw everything and go straight to communism B)
 
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Oh, there’s definitely a difference. You hate the state and love other people, I’m an equal opportunity hater, nobody gets a slice.
That's fair, I am still in favor of people being able to do whatever they want with their money and not in favor of anyone telling you that you can't be buried with it. Your earned money is yours, you can spend it, eat it, shred it, yeet it at birds, make a money pile and flex on your neighbors, not really my business.
 
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That's fair, I am still in favor of people being able to do whatever they want with their money and not in favor of anyone telling you that you can't be buried with it. Your earned money is yours, you can spend it, eat it, shred it, yeet it at birds, make a money pile and flex on your neighbors, not really my business.
Are you sure you’re a communist? :unsure:
 

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Ancom, down-left, not up-left. Ancoms share a lot of similar bleed overs with the Libertarian ideas but of course, I am still against Capitalism, landlords, and privately owned factories.
Ah, so you are after my things of actual value, just not the physical manifestation of value, as in legal tender in the form of paper, I understand.


Don’t worry, I know about you guys - Monty Python did a great sketch on it.
 

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Ah, so you are after my things of actual value, just not the physical manifestation of value, as in legal tender in the form of paper, I understand.


Don’t worry, I know about you guys - Monty Python did a great sketch on it.
Yeah, the Anarchy values are there but being against many Right-wing ideas. I do tend to agree with many of the Right Anarchy values just not all of the means of acquiring wealth.
 

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When did gbatemp become a dump posting site for the neo nazi movement? I find it all kinds of funny that Critical Race Theory is sorely lacking with a lot of these posts~

Fun Fact! CRT is looking at the factors that cause the disparity, and seeing that it isn't genetics but environmental factors over a period of time that have caused the issue. Sorry white/east asian supremacists, you aren't supermen.
You realize Obama's Department of Justice released the statistics that I quoted (blacks being 13% of the population, yet commit half of all murders). Is Obama's Department of Justice a "neo nazi" organization?
 

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You realize Obama's Department of Justice released the statistics that I quoted (blacks being 13% of the population, yet commit half of all murders). Is Obama's Department of Justice a "neo nazi" organization?
No, but you do realize that this is an example of what CRT is used for, right? Statistics don't exist in some vacuum, there is context and beyond that, reasoning for why x gets to y. If anything, you might want to inspect your closest mirror for the boogeyman you were asking about. :wub:
 
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*Sighs* Call me when people decide to address issues like education, healthcare, work ethics, infrastructures.
You know, what could actually improve everyone's lives in the long run.

I'm a socialist (no, it's not the same as communist) and even that is too much on the right for some people sometimes :/
 
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