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Ok, i've finished listening to it now, and aside from the improved musicianship, i actually preferred the older EP. I don't mean to sound harsh but there aren't any songs as good as Our Vagrant Throne or Fire at the Orphanage on here, and i don't really see any "progressive" tendencies bar the out of place mid song interludes and occasional odd timing. Those gang vocals should have been layered a billion more times too.
The addition of those comedy riffs in the tracks kind of ruined them for me as they're not progressive but more disjointed, and i think Kyle needs to work on his vocals a bit because his range is a little narrow.
No offence intended....
The addition of those comedy riffs in the tracks kind of ruined them for me as they're not progressive but more disjointed, and i think Kyle needs to work on his vocals a bit because his range is a little narrow.
No offence intended....
all i gots ta say is wow... great job guys. its definitely different. not just the norm metal growling. i deff liked the mid song punk type riffs, if you had more of those throughout the songs you would for sure have record labels breathing down your necks by now. keep up the great work man. my favorite song was im not sleeping forever... plus your voice is perfect , lil bit jealous.
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iFish said:I WILL DOWNLOAD THIS BECAUSE IT'S FREE AND I LOVE YOU.
And it isn't my type of music, but I really want to hear it.
I just think you need to focus on a style and go with it. Progressive doesn't mean slightly kooky riffs.....listen to Between the Buried and Me for example. They're not kooky.
And as for it being loud, yes it's loud. But stick the tracks in your MP3 player of choice, and then stick a Converge or The Red Chord song on. The difference hits you and feels a bit weird....
And as for it being loud, yes it's loud. But stick the tracks in your MP3 player of choice, and then stick a Converge or The Red Chord song on. The difference hits you and feels a bit weird....
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Thanks a bunch man! And yeah, those little weird interludes in the songs are definitely my favorite parts of the songs xD I could see where labels would like it also. And schweet, Im Not Sleeping Forever is a great track probably the most "coreish" one off the album. That opening riff was actually made in my head last year when I was camping, when I came home we immediately set up and basically created the whole track in a day xD and thanks man! I will let Kyle know that you like his voice, it seems people either love his voice or hate it xDDemonstryde said:
by any chance do you guys have a web site?
if not, would be happy to help with one, as i dont have very many time consuming obligations right now. lemme know what ya think.
if not, would be happy to help with one, as i dont have very many time consuming obligations right now. lemme know what ya think.
im only gna download this if you spend more time as you used to on the forums bringing with you teh lulz
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IT'S TAKING SO LONG TO DOWNLOAD! ;_;
Your first album/EP (Whatever it was) was pretty nice, but I didn't like the vocals that much. Everything else sounded great, so I look forward to listening to this when it finishes downloading.
Your first album/EP (Whatever it was) was pretty nice, but I didn't like the vocals that much. Everything else sounded great, so I look forward to listening to this when it finishes downloading.
Hahaha I guess its all opinon, I think it was mixed perfectly. Yeah I could see some parts with the drums being too loud but personally I think it was mixed pretty well lol. It is really loud though isn't it? xDxist said:
Maybe because you are the drummer?
Neil listen to this song which has a well known theme embedded in it -
[youtube]mXS5AEZ-8_s[/youtube]
When it starts it doesn't sound out of place and slightly weird in the context of the song. I understand that you want to sound different but i think at the moment it sounds like a mish mash.
[youtube]mXS5AEZ-8_s[/youtube]
When it starts it doesn't sound out of place and slightly weird in the context of the song. I understand that you want to sound different but i think at the moment it sounds like a mish mash.
It was Knightrider at around 2:46 btw...
omg the drums have some terrible beat in that song above from 0:15 to 0:31, and it's repeated throughout the song, just made me feel weird
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i thought the drums were fine (but the tracks were on the loud side), and i liked his voice, however when he was screaming, and there were backup screamers (and just the background voices in general), it didn't sound full enough, i don't really know what it is, but it felt flat, like when u take a great stereo mix of something and make it mono, u lose the room filling effect
Chapter I was a solid instrumental intro, shoulda cut the part from 1:16 to 1:27.
In I'm not sleeping forever the beginning up to 0:52 was awesome. But wth happened around 3:15? that seemed really out of place, the whole thing up to 3:50
A few bits in A Vaccine For Humanity where it sounded like he was babbling near the beginning, kinda weird, and another wth moment at 2:06 to 2:17, but the rest of that song was fine
On My Resurrection, it was weird in the intro where the constant strumming guitar would sometimes fade out and come back, it should have stayed constant throughout the intro. At 1:14 to 1:24, there was that weird babbling voice again, i don't really know what that is and it's kinda weird. But i really like his singing voice, i think you should do more songs where it's mostly singing with screaming in the background. At 2:50, felt like the harmony stayed too simple, should of added in more complexity the second time around, and kept it when u repeated later on. around 4:00, the bass sounded too... i dunno it just didn't sound authentic, like i couldn't here the actual string being strummed, i just heard the notes. At 5:22, weird transition, then it goes back to the normal beat, probably should of just cut that part out.
Really liked the buildup on My Last Stand up to 1:00. The bit at 1:40, where it switches between ears, it does it too much, it should just be more focused on the left, then the right, not exclusively on that side, i've heard tons of songs that do this, they always have it play on both sides, just it's much quieter on the side it's not focused on. At 3:50, where did that come from? At 5:00, it's that same not full sound, and it wasn't loud enough, that part was obviously focused on the vocals but they were too hard to hear. And the song shoulda ended at 5:30, after that it was just repeating over and over.
Great intro in Kingdom, have the same bass complaint, i could hear the actual strumming but it sounded like the actual base notes were far too loud for how hard it sounded like he was strumming. Really liked the song up to 2:00, again i really like his singing with the occasional screaming, but it felt too random after that up until 4:20.
Overall it was pretty good, but just cut the random crap in the middle of songs, it breaks the flow
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i thought the drums were fine (but the tracks were on the loud side), and i liked his voice, however when he was screaming, and there were backup screamers (and just the background voices in general), it didn't sound full enough, i don't really know what it is, but it felt flat, like when u take a great stereo mix of something and make it mono, u lose the room filling effect
Chapter I was a solid instrumental intro, shoulda cut the part from 1:16 to 1:27.
In I'm not sleeping forever the beginning up to 0:52 was awesome. But wth happened around 3:15? that seemed really out of place, the whole thing up to 3:50
A few bits in A Vaccine For Humanity where it sounded like he was babbling near the beginning, kinda weird, and another wth moment at 2:06 to 2:17, but the rest of that song was fine
On My Resurrection, it was weird in the intro where the constant strumming guitar would sometimes fade out and come back, it should have stayed constant throughout the intro. At 1:14 to 1:24, there was that weird babbling voice again, i don't really know what that is and it's kinda weird. But i really like his singing voice, i think you should do more songs where it's mostly singing with screaming in the background. At 2:50, felt like the harmony stayed too simple, should of added in more complexity the second time around, and kept it when u repeated later on. around 4:00, the bass sounded too... i dunno it just didn't sound authentic, like i couldn't here the actual string being strummed, i just heard the notes. At 5:22, weird transition, then it goes back to the normal beat, probably should of just cut that part out.
Really liked the buildup on My Last Stand up to 1:00. The bit at 1:40, where it switches between ears, it does it too much, it should just be more focused on the left, then the right, not exclusively on that side, i've heard tons of songs that do this, they always have it play on both sides, just it's much quieter on the side it's not focused on. At 3:50, where did that come from? At 5:00, it's that same not full sound, and it wasn't loud enough, that part was obviously focused on the vocals but they were too hard to hear. And the song shoulda ended at 5:30, after that it was just repeating over and over.
Great intro in Kingdom, have the same bass complaint, i could hear the actual strumming but it sounded like the actual base notes were far too loud for how hard it sounded like he was strumming. Really liked the song up to 2:00, again i really like his singing with the occasional screaming, but it felt too random after that up until 4:20.
Overall it was pretty good, but just cut the random crap in the middle of songs, it breaks the flow
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Sheesh I read that whole thing! Thank you for that! What I got out of most of it is that you don't like the Prog/Tech parts that we put in. Its fine though its not everyones thing. We love listening to stuff that change it up quick and doesn't follow a certain structure because it keeps us into it. So thats what we tried to do with that, we dont try to follow anything we just like to do what we like to do xD But either way, Im glad you enjoyed besides all that stuff you posted, means alot to us man!TDWP FTW said:IT'S TAKING SO LONG TO DOWNLOAD! ;_;
Your first album/EP (Whatever it was) was pretty nice, but I didn't like the vocals that much. Everything else sounded great, so I look forward to listening to this when it finishes downloading.
Well I hope you like this one too! Let me know when its finally done downloading
omg the drums have some terrible beat in that song above from 0:15 to 0:31, and it's repeated throughout the song, just made me feel weirdDangy said:I never saw Knightrider so I didnt know it :\ but I know what you mean, it was just kind of thrown in there so it sounds weird, but we did like that for a reason though xD we just wanna fuck with people through the music, thats all really xDxist said:Stupid facepalm typo earlier....
Anyway, i've just downloaded it and haven't had a chance to listen to anything but the first track and about 30 secs of the second, and i'm immediately struck by the drums. You've definitely improved! However, and this is more about whoever mixed and produced the album, the drums are WAY TOO LOUD. There are loads of articles about the Loudness War but in just the small amount i've listened to it sounds like you need someone better behind the studio's desk to balance everything out properly rather than to just break speakers.
Now i have zero technical knowledge and am just a listener but i've listened to a huge range of music, and if every album i listened to was mixed like yours i'm not sure i'd have even got through a Converge discog....
Hahaha I guess its all opinon, I think it was mixed perfectly. Yeah I could see some parts with the drums being too loud but personally I think it was mixed pretty well lol. It is really loud though isn't it? xD
Maybe because you are the drummer?
^^^
This. I thought it was pretty well mixed myself lol
Neil listen to this song which has a well known theme embedded in it -BortzANATOR said:
[youtube]mXS5AEZ-8_s[/youtube]
When it starts it doesn't sound out of place and slightly weird in the context of the song. I understand that you want to sound different but i think at the moment it sounds like a mish mash.
It was Knightrider at around 2:46 btw...
QUOTE(Terminator02 @ Jul 5 2011, 11:38 PM)
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i thought the drums were fine (but the tracks were on the loud side), and i liked his voice, however when he was screaming, and there were backup screamers (and just the background voices in general), it didn't sound full enough, i don't really know what it is, but it felt flat, like when u take a great stereo mix of something and make it mono, u lose the room filling effect
Chapter I was a solid instrumental intro, shoulda cut the part from 1:16 to 1:27.
In I'm not sleeping forever the beginning up to 0:52 was awesome. But wth happened around 3:15? that seemed really out of place, the whole thing up to 3:50
A few bits in A Vaccine For Humanity where it sounded like he was babbling near the beginning, kinda weird, and another wth moment at 2:06 to 2:17, but the rest of that song was fine
On My Resurrection, it was weird in the intro where the constant strumming guitar would sometimes fade out and come back, it should have stayed constant throughout the intro. At 1:14 to 1:24, there was that weird babbling voice again, i don't really know what that is and it's kinda weird. But i really like his singing voice, i think you should do more songs where it's mostly singing with screaming in the background. At 2:50, felt like the harmony stayed too simple, should of added in more complexity the second time around, and kept it when u repeated later on. around 4:00, the bass sounded too... i dunno it just didn't sound authentic, like i couldn't here the actual string being strummed, i just heard the notes. At 5:22, weird transition, then it goes back to the normal beat, probably should of just cut that part out.
Really liked the buildup on My Last Stand up to 1:00. The bit at 1:40, where it switches between ears, it does it too much, it should just be more focused on the left, then the right, not exclusively on that side, i've heard tons of songs that do this, then always have it play on both sides, just it's much quieter on the side it's not focused on. At 3:50, where did that come from? At 5:00, it's that same not full sound, and it wasn't loud enough, that part was obviously focused on the vocals but they were too hard to hear. And the song shoulda ended at 5:30, after that it was just repeating over and over.
Great intro in Kingdom, have the same bass complaint, i could hear the actual strumming but it sounded like the actual base notes were far too loud for how hard it sounded like he was strumming. Really liked the song up to 2:00, again i really like his singing with the occasional screaming, but it felt too random after that up until 4:20.
Overall it was pretty good, but just cut the random crap in the middle of songs, it breaks the flow
Dangy was quoting you and you agreed with yourself....
I think that main thing people don't like are the bits you're classing as "Progressive", when they're not really prog in the sense of prog metal. They don't fit with the overall songs and thus destroy their integrity. That Knightrider clip makes you think "wtf? Did i just hear Knight Rider?" but it sits well with the song as a whole.
This is more what prog metal is. Now i know you're metalcore, which means maybe this is a better set of examples but i hope you can see the difference.
You're drumming is really good though, as are the guitars (and some of the actual bits of music in the songs are great) but like i said the weird interludes mess up my appreciation and i think Kyle needs to either work on his range or narrow it down as his voice doesn't support the higher ranges so well.
Post up a clip of Our Vagrant Throne (my favourite by miles) or Fire at the Orphanage from the first EP and your favourite song from this one and see what people generally think.
I think that main thing people don't like are the bits you're classing as "Progressive", when they're not really prog in the sense of prog metal. They don't fit with the overall songs and thus destroy their integrity. That Knightrider clip makes you think "wtf? Did i just hear Knight Rider?" but it sits well with the song as a whole.
This is more what prog metal is. Now i know you're metalcore, which means maybe this is a better set of examples but i hope you can see the difference.
You're drumming is really good though, as are the guitars (and some of the actual bits of music in the songs are great) but like i said the weird interludes mess up my appreciation and i think Kyle needs to either work on his range or narrow it down as his voice doesn't support the higher ranges so well.
Post up a clip of Our Vagrant Throne (my favourite by miles) or Fire at the Orphanage from the first EP and your favourite song from this one and see what people generally think.
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Schweet, just let me know!xist said:Dangy was quoting you and you agreed with yourself....
I think that main thing people don't like are the bits you're classing as "Progressive", when they're not really prog in the sense of prog metal. They don't fit with the overall songs and thus destroy their integrity. That Knightrider clip makes you think "wtf? Did i just hear Knight Rider?" but it sits well with the song as a whole.
This is more what prog metal is. Now i know you're metalcore, which means maybe this is a better set of examples but i hope you can see the difference.
You're drumming is really good though, as are the guitars (and some of the actual bits of music in the songs are great) but like i said the weird interludes mess up my appreciation and i think Kyle needs to either work on his range or narrow it down as his voice doesn't support the higher ranges so well.
Post up a clip of Our Vagrant Throne (my favourite by miles) or Fire at the Orphanage from the first EP and your favourite song from this one and see what people generally think.
Nahh mayne, he was quoting you xD
And I suppose, I guess its all what you consider ProgProg can really be anything if think about it. Its Progressive, its not sticking to same structure and it changing shit up and doing weird stuff thats not in a nature song structure lol.
And thanks mayne! I tried hard to make sure the druming was spot on in this one (with a little help of protools of course too), but the drumming is alot better in this one I think as well, I also agree with the guitars and your vocal comment. I loved his vocals on OVT since they were mid range and sound really good, these ones are high and just kinda mehh I guess lol.
I will have to do that once we post some of these songs on YouTube!
Downloaded it! I'll give ya my input after listening through the whole album at least 3-4times.purplesludge said:
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