Here goes....LOL (btw I hate online debates)
1. Every (or almost every) console has lost money on hardware sales except Nintendo. I think this has been discussed already so I'll skip it.
2. Do you even know why the shares fell $1.03? because of the PS3?. They fell because of the PS3 overheating in the kiosks. This has some people worried that the PS3 will be the second coming of the Xbox360 (hardware problems). Sony is a large company like Microsoft. Just because one division has caused shares to tumble ever so slightly doesn't mean their whole business will collapse (this is in reference to the panic/anxiety attack comment). This has already been discussed as well, no point in me taking it further.
3. Yes, there are some developers who believe the PSP is failing. To say that no third party developers will support the system is a killing blow is presumptuous. Look at how well Nintendo held up with only their first party games for the N64/GC.
4. Sony executives doubting Blu-Ray? Thats the first time I've heard of such rumors. "Bottom line: if Blu-ray fails, Sony dies." Another reason why I made the anxiety comment.
5. Exclusives, I already discussed this and you have yet to reply.
6. Analysts suggest the PSP sales will be abysmal. Who cares? Like I said earlier, Idc about hand helds.
On to the good stuff. Additional fiction/facts/rumors.
1. I agree with what has been already posted. IMO, the majority of the people who complain about prices would be the ones who think its overpriced or can't afford it. Even if I was poor, I would just save up ahead of time and purchase the system or I would wait for a price drop. Complaining about the price is a weak arguement. I have yet to hear someone complain about the overpriced IPODS, $200 Jordans, Mercedes Benz, etc. If you don't like it, don't buy it. No one is forcing you to spend your hard earned $500-$600 on a PS3.
2. This whole paragraph is wtf to me. "Sony pissed
alot of people off with one negative announcement after another regarding the PS3. They're making no allies and getting constant bad press. So far the only positive announcement has been that the Japanese core PS3 got a price drop, and even that was accompanied by the fact that Japanese PS3 games will now retail for close to $90 USD. Then there's the delays, and various other factors."
What negative announcements? The price of the system, Europe delayed till March or the shortage of blue laser diodes? Thats pretty much the only negative "press" I could think of off the top of my head. Allies, what allies? Is this a war? What constant bad press? The retail Japanese games for $90 USD rumor has already been squashed. BTW the prices for Japanese games include tax. What other delays other than the PS3 for Europe in March? What other various factors? Im interested because I haven't read anything about this in NEOGAF.
3. This third fact was just dumb. I doubt Sony plans the PS3 to last ten years as a gaming platform. Could you provide a solid link to this?
4. "What many people don't know is that game hardware spec comparisons have been done, and the Xbox 360 is actually equal to the PS3 in most way, and even surpasses it in others. This means the consumer can get (basically) the same level of power for a smaller cost."
The PS2 is the weakest system out of the three (Xbox and GC) yet they were the most successful. Im sure you know this as many others do, software sells hardware. The main reason why I'll be purchasing a PS3 on day one is because of their extensive and huge third party support that will carry over from the PS2, not because it has "blast processing or mode 7".
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* Blu-ray is slower loading/reading than HD-DVD, has a less recognizable brand name (HD-DVD is an obvious combination of High Definition and DVD), it will scratch like crazy due to the data being closer to the surface (and a lesser protective coating), manufacturers don't believe Blu-Ray recorders can succeed in North America, and now that the 360 has an optional HD-DVD drive, it basically has the same advantage as PS3's blu-ray player (except in this case you can choose to shell out money for it rather than having the price of the console jacked up)."
Where do you come up with this? EGM has already reported that Blu-Ray discs is more durable than HD-DVD discs. I think their qoute was "You could scratch it with wool and it'll still work" or something to that effect. Their not bringing Blu-Ray recorders because it'll cost over $2,000 right now. The HD-DVD recorders cost over $2,000 too. Whats your point? Even if we had a chance to purchase either for $2,000, Im sure next to no one will.
Oh yess...the optional HD-DVD debate. This is whats going to prematurely kill the 360 imo. Whats funny is how the MS fanboys complain about the $500-$600 PS3, but their waiting to purchase the HD-DVD add on. $400 (xbox 360) + $200 (HD-DVD add on) = $600 (PS3 Blu-Ray) + wifi + 60 gig hd + hdmi. I wonder which one is over priced now? There's also this thing about the security feature (which I forgot the name of) that might render the 360 HD-DVD add on useless if activated because it only works through HDMI which the 360 add on does not include.
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* Sony apparently hasn't delivered the online specs to developers, meaning they won't be able to implement online play any time soon. This one's not confirmed, but if it's true it means they're not taking online play seriously, and they need to because Xbox live has a rather large head start."
I believe their taking it seriously. What about the Wii's online plan? We have yet to hear anything about their plans, yet everyone bashes on Sony and praises everything Nintendo does.
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* The Xbox 360 already has a large head start, and rumor has it they'll be lowering their prices and improving internal hardware (nothing major, just some new chips and fixes, etc) in 2007. Which will make competition even more fierce. Not to mention additional non-direct (as stated by Nintendo) competition from the Wii as well.
What large head start? Many believe that MS has done a poor job with their head start and didn't capitalize on it. From poor software to their many hardware issues and their "warranty" to their confusing add on. Every system that has offered an add on to my knowledge has failed. Sega CD, Turbo Graphx-16 CD and Atari Jaguar CD. I happened to have owned all three at one point in my life.
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* A long time ago it was announced that the PS3 budget version will not be backwards compatible (I believe it was e3), if this still stands it will be a huge drawback for the consumer. I have no idea if that still stands, but feel free to correct me if that has since changed.
False. This isn't MS where you have to purchase their premium package with the hard drive only to have limited backwards compatibility. You have to wait for their new "firmware" releases to play your limited backward compatbility, good job!
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* HD-DVD at the moment has stronger sales than Sony's Blu-ray format, and it too had a head start. Not to mention Blu-ray's one advantage (the fact that it could hold more data) is useless at this point, as apparently Sony can get the larger capacity disks to work on existing Blu-ray players.
HD-DVD has two strong selling points. The name HD-DVD alone is enough to make it more successful in retail sales due to the number of idiots who have no idea what HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is. They'll look at HD-DVD and see that it has the words DVD in it and puchase that over Blu-Ray. The second selling point is its price. When you can purchase a HD-DVD player for $500 vs $1,000 for a Blu-Ray, which format will you initially go with? You know that as well as I do, that the real HD/Blu-Ray wars start when the PS3 is released. Does this automatically make Blu-Ray the winner? Of course not, but Im interested in the outcome between the two in the coming year or years.
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* Sony's PSP UMD movie format was an utter failure. It didn't sell, and if I remember correctly because of that... they stopped produbing movies in this format. This may have been changed if Sony had released UMD recorders, but they were so set on keeping pirates away from their format that they refused to let that happen.
I agree with this. Sony takes piracy too seriously. Look at what happened with N64 and GC. One of the main reasons why Nintendo went with that method for a storage medium was because of piracy.
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* Various game stores are speculating (based on recent polls) that the PS3 will sell terribly in Japan this winter, going as far as giving it an equal market share figure to that of the Xbox 360. Which is ironic, as based on earlier polls before all of Sony's bad press, the PS3 was by far the most anticipated next-gen console. Now? Not so much.
Who cares about video game store POLLS? This isn't an consumer poll and regardless of Japan or U.S. the PS3 will be sold out this holiday season. Your using any piece of information whether its useful or not to bash Sony which I find is lame.
12. Well, that's all I can think of off the top of my head, but everything there spells out what we're all thinking: Sony is dead in the water, and they don't even know it. I mean what does it say about a company if they're going to lose billions even if they do succeed, and even more if they try and lower the price for the consumer? It says "dead meat". By the by, the first article is the msot important one. Above all else, read it.
Correction, only what you and a few misinformed consumers are thinking. By your theory, MS should have went under by now with the losses they've accumulated with the Xbox and 360. Out of the four pages of this thread, I've only read about 4-5 people who blindly agree with you. I assume these guys didn't read your whole post and their just Sony haters (which Sony seems to have alot of now). What's sad is that its the popular thing to bash "Sony" and anything they do because of the PS3 price tag.
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