Hacking So what happens next month?

[Arwen20]

I don't know what will happen when the update is made available. Personally I have not played my flashcart on my 3ds. I would rather be safe than sorry. Anyway, I prefer the larger screen on my DSi XL, for regular ds games.

 

[Assax]

Among the whole bricking rumor, I do have a concern. I use an SCDS2, and for those that know about it, it's SoC design requires a lot of power. Because of that, could a problem potentially come from it? The only official card I can think of that requires more power than standard cards would be the one with Bluetooth for the wireless keyboard as part of the Pokemon Typing game.

Have you used it on the DS already if so and if it is still fine I don't think anything bad will happen to the 3DS but I am by no means a professional so no guarantee given.
My bet is nothing will happen, your battery will run for even less time than it does but thats about it.

 

[Oceanborn712]

Power consumption can't be a real problem, that's like detecting Pokémon HeartGold/SoulSilver/Black/White as flashcarts because of their infrared unit. That aside, each game has its individual power consumption anyway, depending on how much the device has to work for it. For example, back when I got my DS Lite I had Hotel Dusk and Phoenix Wright. Hotel Dusk drained my battery within 4-5 hours because it was 3D and the DS had to calculate a lot for the 3D environment. Phoenix Wright on the other hand is only 2D pictures, I could play it 24/7 for almost a week until the battery was dead.

 

[nintendoom]

Among the whole bricking rumor, I do have a concern. I use an SCDS2, and for those that know about it, it's SoC design requires a lot of power. Because of that, could a problem potentially come from it? The only official card I can think of that requires more power than standard cards would be the one with Bluetooth for the wireless keyboard as part of the Pokemon Typing game.

Have you used it on the DS already if so and if it is still fine I don't think anything bad will happen to the 3DS but I am by no means a professional so no guarantee given.
My bet is nothing will happen, your battery will run for even less time than it does but thats about it.

EDIT: oops.NVM. read it wrong

 

[ProtoKnux]

I decided to wait. I'm 99% sure they won't brick the device, but they will do something else, typical from current consoles.

Perhaps they will start ignoring DS when they find out about people running 3DS software through SD or Flashcards. I'm convinced that it won't work the same way, and so they will probably do anything they can against 3DS software, but not against DS.

All I know is that I'll have to wait. Who knows, maybe they will log DS flashcart usage, even under a fake ID, and ban the console from Spotpass services. Which I am not willing to skip just for that.

 

[NES SNES V.B. N64 G.C. Wii WiiU]

I decided to wait. I'm 99% sure they won't brick the device, but they will do something else, typical from current consoles.

Perhaps they will start ignoring DS when they find out about people running 3DS software through SD or Flashcards. I'm convinced that it won't work the same way, and so they will probably do anything they can against 3DS software, but not against DS.

All I know is that I'll have to wait. Who knows, maybe they will log DS flashcart usage, even under a fake ID, and ban the console from Spotpass services. Which I am not willing to skip just for that.

As almost everyone else in this thread has said, there is a 99% chance that Nintendo will come up with nothing more than an unsuccessful attempt to block flash carts. I mean it took Team SuperCard 1 day to get past the 1.4.1 DSi update. 1 day! Most decent flash carts will probably have a workaround within a week.

And also Nintendo cannot log flashcart usage under a fake ID. Simply, Nintendo won't know more than you're in the "Dorasu" fan club!

 

[Oceanborn712]

All I know is that I'll have to wait. Who knows, maybe they will log DS flashcart usage, even under a fake ID, and ban the console from Spotpass services. Which I am not willing to skip just for that.

There's no way to block StreetPass/SpotPass. The device has been advertised with these features, taking them away would not be legal.
Besides, taking away functions from legally bought games wouldn't be the smartest way to get people to buy legal games.

As I've said across the boards a few times: Nintendo doesn't want you to stop playing your device, they want you to stop pirating. Anything that would prevent you from buying legit games or using those games with their full functions would hurt Nintendo and their developers most while pirates would simply live with some functions not working when they get hundreds of games for free, and probably get around the blocked functions by exploit/softmod allowing to install the missed DLC and/or just get a 2nd 3DS to play those two game with decent online functions (= Mario Kart and Pokémon)
What they ARE doing is setting up the hardware to not play illegal software and setting up the software to encourage buying legal software.
The hardware blocking flashcarts causes uninformed people with some crappy non-updateable R4 from the flea market, inexperienced people who don't know they can update their flashcarts and/or don't know how to update them and impatient people who just want to play their game NOW without to go and buy the games, instead of regularly buying new flashcarts, spending time finding out how to update their flashcarts or wait for a fix for their flashcart.
The software part is a) the eStore providing games that you can only get there, as well as classics with 3D support, which emulators won't offer and b) functions in game cartridges that won't work with pirated software. Examples are infrared units in Pokémon games to connect to the Pokéwalker, which is an extra accessory that only works with real cartridges, or in-game functionality that requires another real game, like the way you transfer Pokémon to Pokémon Black/White via Download Play from original games, instead of just sending them over through WiFi.

 

[pizzamanopenup]

I remember when I had one of my first PSP's, I had pirated / hacked the crap out of it, and eventually I updated the firmware. At that point, the system locked up and was unable to upgrade or downgrade by any means whatsoever. Nintendo could do something like this where they just lock your firmware if they detect any illegal or questionable activity. It would be more likely than them bricking your system, anyway.

 

[EphenSteve]

I remember when I had one of my first PSP's, I had pirated / hacked the crap out of it, and eventually I updated the firmware. At that point, the system locked up and was unable to upgrade or downgrade by any means whatsoever. Nintendo could do something like this where they just lock your firmware if they detect any illegal or questionable activity. It would be more likely than them bricking your system, anyway.

psp = custom firmware which actually changed almost every area of the psp to free it.

3ds = flashcarts use a header to duplicate another game so no changing to your handhelds firmware so when updated it will update as normal.

totally different. i highly doubt a system brick. more likely a block to flashcarts...

 

[pizzamanopenup]

EphenSteve, you may have missed the point of what I was trying to say. I'm pointing out the possibility of Nintendo giving new features to 3DS owners who are suspected of using flash carts. For example, someone who used one could update to the new firmware when it comes out in may only to find out the "update" was a placebo and locked them out of future updates, hence no new features like the internet browser.

 

[Oceanborn712]

EphenSteve, you may have missed the point of what I was trying to say. I'm pointing out the possibility of Nintendo giving new features to 3DS owners who are suspected of using flash carts. For example, someone who used one could update to the new firmware when it comes out in may only to find out the "update" was a placebo and locked them out of future updates, hence no new features like the internet browser.

Which would, once again, cause the user to keep using his flashcard but not buy any new games. So basicly extra work for Nintendo to prevent people from giving them money. Bad idea.

 

[pizzamanopenup]

You make a good point. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it looks like we'll just have to wait and see. But it appears our general consensus is that they'll just end up blocking flash cards (until someone makes a fix).

 

[DiscostewSM]

Power consumption can't be a real problem, that's like detecting Pokémon HeartGold/SoulSilver/Black/White as flashcarts because of their infrared unit. That aside, each game has its individual power consumption anyway, depending on how much the device has to work for it. For example, back when I got my DS Lite I had Hotel Dusk and Phoenix Wright. Hotel Dusk drained my battery within 4-5 hours because it was 3D and the DS had to calculate a lot for the 3D environment. Phoenix Wright on the other hand is only 2D pictures, I could play it 24/7 for almost a week until the battery was dead.

I was speaking on terms of the amount of power having to be sent through the card slot, not about the unit consuming power to handle it's own tasks. Even though it works well on a DS/DSi, how many of those official game cards really require the power that the SCDS2 requires to power its 360-400Mhz CPU? And having seen DS games taking longer to load data on a 3DS, the design of the card port may be different, which may include the amount of power it can handle for an extended amount of time. Would such a load affect the 3DS hardware? That's my concern. The SCDS2 was designed for the DS/DSi, not the 3DS, even though it current works on it.

 

[tj445]

Ironically, they are limiting the Money printing functionality of the 3DS

 

[JoyConG]

Nintendo's agreement warns you from modifying software and will that they will not be held responsible for bricking for doing such things.

Piracy is derogatory of this statement and so alot of people think that Nintendo's going to brick anyone who uses a card.

They won't.

Also, yes you can block street/spot pass. You have the switch right there on the side. There are also options to disable and/or opt out of certain services and game notifications altogether.

They might be able to keep you from online by making updates to the firmware mandatory to continue playing or accessing services provided ala current Wii shop and DSiware

 

[EphenSteve]

Nintendo's agreement warns you from modifying software and will that they will not be held responsible for bricking for doing such things.

Piracy is derogatory of this statement and so alot of people think that Nintendo's going to brick anyone who uses a card.

They won't.

Also, yes you can block street/spot pass. You have the switch right there on the side. There are also options to disable and/or opt out of certain services and game notifications altogether.

They might be able to keep you from online by making updates to the firmware mandatory to continue playing or accessing services provided ala current Wii shop and DSiware

"Claps" couldnt have said it better.

 

[ProtoKnux]

Oceanborn, this could be associated to the 360. Sure, Nintendo hasn't done anything until now besides putting the typical DSi firmware update that blocks flashcards (but not really, as we can see) but these things take time. I agree that this specific year they would have a hard time if they couldn't sell games to their customers because they stopped their services for them, but piracy would cause them the same problem. So I say, regardless of seeing this as a "dick move" that will cause them losses, it could still happen and it happened multiple times through different platforms. The device has been advertised with these features indeed, but so were other consoles advertised with online features that were stopped by console bans.

Let's suppose Nintendo does something similar to the DSi or the Wii. Updates were needed for online services outside of games, such as the virtual console, wiiware or dsiware. Of course you could upgrade your flashcart firmware so you can run it on these new updates, but how frequently will it happen now? How much time would someone have to wait after any official update to get them working? If they released a fair amount of early demos and 3D classics, it would be a problem. Plus we wouldn't probably have release dates for firmware updates, and we would have to stop using things like streetpass just to prevent that data from being downloaded into our beloved consoles. Regardless of how legal it is or not, there's still a possibility they could automatically update the whole thing without a confirmation.

I'd rather be pessimistic about this and wait for a month than jump in because most assumptions fall into "they won't do that because it wouldn't be beneficial for them".

 

[PHALLIUS]

I remember when I had one of my first PSP's, I had pirated / hacked the crap out of it, and eventually I updated the firmware. At that point, the system locked up and was unable to upgrade or downgrade by any means whatsoever. Nintendo could do something like this where they just lock your firmware if they detect any illegal or questionable activity. It would be more likely than them bricking your system, anyway.

That's because you got a a corrupted CF or you did something to the power. The ram could have died during update. There are no CF's that will kill your psp and PSP's have no updates that will kill your psp. Your situation was a hardware fail or a user error.

 

[totalnoob617]

my guess that nothing will happen,if ninty wanted to block flashcards then they would have by now,i mean what have there been,2 updates to the fw already,sure no major ones but, i mean some of the flashcards worked from day one with no update,certainly they wont brick consoles ,its not legal in most countries,but i think even the possibility of them doing something to block ds flash cards is very remote,i think they know to do it they will have to blacklist certain titles and they also know the cards will just update to use a new title in the header and it will not end,they cant keep blacklisting ds games,they know its futile
,hopefully we do get the free 3d excitebike and hopefully we also get the new demo for megaman for free too and these are not just japan only extras,but i hope they only charge for the MM demo in japan,also i hope we get 3d video recording and a browser with this update

i have a dstwo ,and about it using more power than a normal flashcard because it has the extra processor.im not sure it does use more power all the time,i dont think it does when you are just playing a ds backup,i think it only uses more power when you use something like one of the emulators specifically designed for it or its video player,i mean they even have a throttle for the cpu in the emulators so that you can select the speed 1-4,when its in other modes it must not use more power,and why would ninty even bother trying to stop a few flashcarts that use this but then allow the others it dont make much sense

and what do you mean oceanborn about pokemon and mariokart not having full capability,i know you said pokemon has an ir device on the actual cart that limits you, but what about mario kart?did you mean ds version?cause i havent noticed any difference on playing MK from my dstwo or from original,its the same ,or do you mean the 3ds version?are they planning on using some unique hardware in that games cart?

also they could make flashcards with the extra hardware if it was used in enough game to make it worthwhile
like make a flashcard with an infrared device,it would also be cool because it could have an app for it that makes it be able to be used as a universal touch screen remote

 

[NES SNES V.B. N64 G.C. Wii WiiU]

my guess that nothing will happen,if ninty wanted to block flashcards then they would have by now,i mean what have there been,2 updates to the fw already,sure no major ones but, i mean some of the flashcards worked from day one with no update,certainly they wont brick consoles ,its not legal in most countries,but i think even the possibility of them doing something to block ds flash cards is very remote,i think they know to do it they will have to blacklist certain titles and they also know the cards will just update to use a new title in the header and it will not end,they cant keep blacklisting ds games,they know its futile
,hopefully we do get the free 3d excitebike and hopefully we also get the new demo for megaman for free too and these are not just japan only extras,but i hope they only charge for the MM demo in japan,also i hope we get 3d video recording and a browser with this update

I agree. There is no chance of Nintendo bricking consoles, as you said it is illegal in most countries. Nintendo will just give new features to help boost sales, and they have said they will add the new features. However I disagree with some parts, Nintendo might try to block flashcarts. Though they may not, yes in a few days the good carts will be working again anyway. Nintendo seem calm, at the moment, with hacking on the 3DS, not seeming to mind too much. I mean the DS mode security was nothing more than a 1.4.2 update would be on the DSi. However if and when 3DS mode is hacked, they certainly will bring in big updates, not lazing around with the firmware like now.