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So americas politics are fixed by letting candidates drop out at specific spots?

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@Joe88: Are you this dumb, or do you find it funny to post pure propaganda?

Biden is talking about his time in the ICU at Walter Reed, after a brain aneurysma.
https://eu.delawareonline.com/story...-life-threatening-brain-aneurysms/3002961002/

Literally the next sentence of the clip you posted was "you lie there and you look at the line at the screen in front of you, and you know - that if it goes flat, you're gone'.
(see f.e. )

If you take that out of context you are an effing asshole.

The nurses told him to get pillows for them to give him a sense of agency. And they blew into his nostrils to provoke a bodily reaction (probably) so the patient can get a sense of - again self agency (not just passively lying there and wasting away), moving his body in a 'defensive reaction' to that. As they are literally staring at their heart rate in the ICU.

So what made you take that entire context away, and make it sound like the ramblings of a demented person? Because that was entirely you acting like an ahole..

Agitating, lying, piece of....

Do you expect no one will follow up the misrepresentations you post? The fuck?
 
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@Joe88: Are you this dumb, or do you find it funny to post pure propaganda?

Biden is talking about his time in the ICU at Walter Reed, after a brain aneurysma.
https://eu.delawareonline.com/story...-life-threatening-brain-aneurysms/3002961002/

Literally the next sentence of the clip you posted was "you lie there and you look at the line at the screen in front of you, and you know - that if it goes flat, you're gone'.
(see f.e. )

If you take that out of context you are an effing asshole.

The nurses told him to get pillows for them to give him a sense of agency. And they blew into his nostrils to provoke a bodily reaction (probably) so the patient can get a sense of - again self agency (not just passively lying there and wasting away), moving his body in a 'defensive reaction' to that. As they are literally staring at their heart rate in the ICU.

So what made you take that entire context away, and make it sound like the ramblings of a demented person? Because that was entirely you acting like an ahole..

Agitating, lying, piece of....

Do you expect no one will follow up the misrepresentations you post? The fuck?

Calm down a bit. It's a weird thing for a person with no specialized knowledge to read, so it's understandable that they could interpret it as one of Biden's numerous episodes. It's enough to just explain the situation without being so aggressive.
 

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But who is clipping that and for what purpose?

And who still hasnt learned to at least look up the whole soundbite, before posting agitation propaganda?

Forgiven and forgottem (on the personal fault/interaction part), stuff like this can happen. Just dont let it happen too often...

Again, on Facebook the "self correcting" aspect of community is broken, so stuff like this can get traction, without someone correcting it - in here, not so much. So try to check it yourself before posting, next time.

edit: And sorry about the language, but - hey... This was was actually pretty nasty in its own right. ;)
 
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But who is clipping that and for what purpose?

And who still hasnt learned to at least look up the whole soundbite, before posting agitation propaganda?

Forgiven and forgottem (on the personal interaction), stuff like this can happen. Just dont let it happen too often...

Again, on Facebook the "self correcting" aspect of community is broken, so stuff like this can get traction, without someone correcting it - in here, not so much.
All political point scoring is like this, you know that. It's the oldest dirty trick in the book. All partisans do this and they lap it up just as happily.
 

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@Joe88: Are you this dumb, or do you find it funny to post pure propaganda?

Biden is talking about his time in the ICU at Walter Reed, after a brain aneurysma.
https://eu.delawareonline.com/story...-life-threatening-brain-aneurysms/3002961002/

Literally the next sentence of the clip you posted was "you lie there and you look at the line at the screen in front of you, and you know - that if it goes flat, you're gone'.
(see f.e. )

If you take that out of context you are an effing asshole.

The nurses told him to get pillows for them to give him a sense of agency. And they blew into his nostrils to provoke a bodily reaction (probably) so the patient can get a sense of - again self agency (not just passively lying there and wasting away), moving his body in a 'defensive reaction' to that. As they are literally staring at their heart rate in the ICU.

So what made you take that entire context away, and make it sound like the ramblings of a demented person? Because that was entirely you acting like an ahole..

Agitating, lying, piece of....

Do you expect no one will follow up the misrepresentations you post? The fuck?

Nurses are not taught to breath into some ones nose, that was the point of the post, it never happened, he just made it up just like the many other things he has said the last couple of years. This was a hospital in an ICU in1988, he was most likely on a ventilator already after his brain surgery, and if he needed resuscitation they would have used a defibrillator along with chest compressions. And they dont just breath into his nose for stimulation either, this is how disease can spread or create an infection, ICU's are very sterile environments. His story is just another gaffe.


Now onto your behavior towards me and other members who post here, I would to remind you of the sticky posted in the section from the sites admin, particularly points 1 and 2 https://gbatemp.net/threads/disclaimer-read-this-before-posting.493895/

If you cannot control yourself discussing politics while treating members with different political viewpoints with respect, then you have no business posting here. This isn't reddit or twitter where you can get away with that trash. If I see you attacking someone (and a staff member no less) like that again, you will banned from this section, this will be your only warning.
 

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None of what is said in the video makes sense as a made up bit.

Every part of it makes sense as "get the patient to experience a form of self agency" (being more than just a 'body' withering away in an immobile state), even if it is just 'slight discomfort' of someone breathing into your nose. And you showing a reaction of 'not liking that'.

I'm sure it would be freaking hard to prove, that this was a standard medical procedure way back then, but every part of what was said was said in the context of "they did stuff, just to make you feel more than an effing vegetable".
 
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Or simply this:

mouth to nose breathing was more effective than mouth-to-mouth in simulated resuscitations using anaesthetised, apnoeic patients
https://resus.me/mouth-to-nose-breathing/
https://anesthesiology.pubs.asahq.org/article.aspx?articleid=1922586

Shit - someone at Walter Reed might have known what they were doing. Quick, someone tell the alt right echo chamber of self righteous assholes.

edit2: Why do mouth to mouth or mouth to nose resuscitation - when "there are machines"?
Turns out, there is a process named "weaning": https://www.nursingtimes.net/clinic...hysical-and-psychological-effects-08-05-2007/

edit3: Also - if the patient has spasms of the chewing muscles in the minutes after stopping to breath, you immediately start mouth to nose resuscitation - even in the presence of equipment:
It is inexpedient to waste time on the introduction of the rotor expander, since this is not always possible. Begin mouth-to-nose ventilation.
https://presnyavmo.ru/en/iskusstven...chego-poyavlyayutsya-problemy-s-dyhaniem.html
 
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Jimmy Dore (not a great news source, very conspiracy prone.. ;) ) dug up this one two hours ago:

NYT:
The matter of What To Do About Bernie and the larger imperative of party unity has, for example, hovered over a series of previously undisclosed Democratic dinners in New York and Washington organized by the longtime party financier Bernard Schwartz. The gatherings have included scores from the moderate or center-left wing of the party, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California; Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader; former Gov. Terry McAuliffe of Virginia; Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind., himself a presidential candidate; and the president of the Center for American Progress, Neera Tanden.
https://web.archive.org/web/2020022...politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html

Who is Bernard L. Schwarz:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_L._Schwartz

Axios: (five days ago)
One near-certainty about Joe Biden's Cabinet: Pete Buttigieg will be in it. Biden officials have made clear to donors and party officials the question surrounding Buttigieg is not if, but where, he lands, Democrats close to Biden tell Axios.

Just for the laughs:
The multilingual Buttigieg has told friends he wants U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, but he may face internal competition from Julie Smith, a longtime Biden foreign policy confidant.
https://www.axios.com/pete-buttigieg-joe-biden-cabinet-ec5af2b1-c884-4d50-ae41-e40bee7dde8b.html

edit:
Buttigieg, whose campaign had already by 2019's third quarter attracted the support of 39 billionaires, came under fire from progressives on social media after pictures surfaced from a fundraiser on Sunday in Napa, California's Hall Rutherford wine caves which appeared to show the mayor dining with elites.

The Associated Press described the scene of the dinner in an article Friday:

The Hall Rutherford wine caves in the hills of California's Napa Valley boast a chandelier with 1,500 Swarovski crystals, an onyx banquet table to reflect its luminescence, and bottles of cabernet sauvignon that sell for as much as $900.

It is also where Pete Buttigieg, the Democratic presidential candidate, will dine privately with donors following a Sunday fundraiser hosted by Craig and Kathryn Hall, the winery's billionaire owners, according to an invitation obtained by The Associated Press.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...-rich-sanders-reminds-voters-billionaires-not



Please dont ban me for not editing the previous post, made three and a half months ago.
 
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