Hacking SKY3DS can support newest 3DS V9.7.0-25U/E/J

[Osmosis]

AssortedTrailMix, you're TLDR was epic. You should post more often.

Honestly? I want both to win. I have had really good experiences with Sky3DS. But I really wanted a Gateway for what it could do. Specifically ROM dumps and sysNAND backups. I also like the ability of running .CIA's instead of having to header patch the Sky3DS template.

The biggest downside? Well, for me, pokegenning. The Sky3DS can handle the spider exploit. I know. I've done it. But that means staying below 9.5.0-22x which kind of defeats the purpose of having a Sky3DS.

Powersaves would be the solution for the Sky3DS, but currently DATEL is blocking most of the Sky3DS (except for pokemon which is awesome!).

We all know it's a cat & mouse game. But also know that everytime Nintendo tries something new (like the themes exploit for coinsetting) they make more holes.

What I really agree with? Gateway and Sky3DS are kind of working with Nintendo. The problem? Nintendo isn't cooperating.

I've said this before many time... most of us who use Gateway and Sky3DS do mostly for the features and for playing a few games. We still buy systems, we still buy retail games. In fact, they actually have created a black market for unused games to be put to good use. (not going further into this)

I also have pointed out that Nintendo has gone the way of pay-to-play which really hurts their base target; kids.

Sure, parents are willing to throw money at Nintendo to shut up their kids, but they're also hurting the ones that can't. $2 for a theme is sickening. They're themes. You're asking a child to steal money for junk so Nintendo can sit on their cash cow mountain. If you buy a retail game, you might as well get the DL version as well. They should use the themes like club coins and throw them at people for buying the game.

But really? I have used the Sky3DS to basically realize that $40.oo for a game is insane for less than 2GB of data stored on plastic. To turn around and charge people for eShop without a retail cart is heading in the right direction, but then it really points out the flaw in the $40 retail game.

Even the WiiPlaza... pay for more extensions... why? Why not let people unlock them for free? Without homepass that would take a lifetime. Even with homepass it's pretty hard to do.

But at this point, Nintendo is using a pay-to-play and throwing the value of time out the window. Time is worth something. Especially to those who can't afford to buy it. So they're even ignoring some basic foundations to healthy pay-to-play market. And then they target it on kids. It really makes me sad.

I wish Nintendo would sit down and realize who their target audience is and weigh the pros/cons of how they're treating them. Folks like us... well, currently we're winning by cheating because Nintendo doesn't like to share.

So while they play cat and mouse, the rabbit and the hare point and laugh. Really sad...

 

[Stang]

Thank you for your advice.
I'm not going to buy or do anything eShop, I just thought I'll be missing out on features from updates 9.5-9.7.

No problem, and no, you wont be missing out on anything important besides good ole Nintendo's "system stability" updates. Do not want.

 

[Osmosis]

No problem, and no, you wont be missing out on anything important besides good ole Nintendo's "system stability" updates. Do not want.

WRONG!!!

The only thing that will happen if you update past 9.5.0-22x firmware is that you will lose the ability to export/import pokemon using the browser injection.

If that doesn't concern you, I'd go ahead and update since you're already on 9.4. At this point you can't install Gateway and are stuck using Sky3DS.

Again, above 9.5 = no pokeinjection

This goes for both retail games and Sky3DS since it is a firmware patch.

 

[bostonBC]

I specifically address that:



And it's not an argument as much as a statement of undeniable facts with an aside where I mention my opinion on which I favor. Not to mention, how would me no addressing that make all of what I said not make sense? It's as if you skimmed it looking for a point of contention...

>> it's not an argument as much as a statement of undeniable facts<<

I have Gateway and Sky3DS carts and each has a particular use so I'm not going to get dragged into a flame war regarding which is better.

But your 'facts' are based on quicksand.

Nintendo will try and stop piracy. That's the only fact here, your ramblings are mere opinion and spin.

The main thing that I objected to were these lines which is the crux of your argument:

'it relies on future inaction from Nintendo rather than past mistakes by Nintendo. While Nintendo is going to fix it's mistakes, there's no guarantee it's willing to put resources into future actions.'

That's a great line and I'm sure you had fun writing it but asserting it as a fact is logically absurd.

The fact that Nintendo will try and stop piracy means that any action they take will be to stop piracy. Where they spend their time is likely to be on the easiest things first - patching known vulnerabilities.

And when they implement a solid detection scheme with no or very low false positives for the Sky3DS that card is done.

A vulnerability is a vulnerability. Nintendo has made great strides blocking flash carts in the past and making an assertion that is somehow different than patching other software vulnerabilities doesn't make any sense. Nintendo is working to stop piracy and they will get around to the flash carts.

Your opinion line about common sense made me laugh...

"I personally favor the risk of having a card that could stop working tomorrow over the knowledge that no matter eventually the card will stop working. Again, people won't like to hear that, but it's common sense."

If I have a 3DS on a certain firmware with a known exploit that I can use unless I do something stupid like update the system I will continue to be able to use that exploit.

Similarly the Sky3DS will not stop working unless a user updates the system to a version that blocks the Sky3DS.

Neither cart will mysteriously stop working on their own.

These carts will continue to work until Nintendo blocks them and a user is stupid enough to update their system.

Asserting that one cart will last longer than another or is somehow better than another is foolish and if you think you can predict the future I recommend that go buy a lottery ticket.

 

[AssortedTrailmix]

>> it's not an argument as much as a statement of undeniable facts<<

I have Gateway and Sky3DS carts and each has a particular use so I'm not going to get dragged into a flame war regarding which is better.

But your 'facts' are based on quicksand.

Nintendo will try and stop piracy. That's the only fact here, your ramblings are mere opinion and spin.

The main thing that I objected to were these lines which is the crux of your argument:

'it relies on future inaction from Nintendo rather than past mistakes by Nintendo. While Nintendo is going to fix it's mistakes, there's no guarantee it's willing to put resources into future actions.'

That's a great line and I'm sure you had fun writing it but asserting it as a fact is logically absurd.

The fact that Nintendo will try and stop piracy means that any action they take will be to stop piracy. Where they spend their time is likely to be on the easiest things first - patching known vulnerabilities.

And when they implement a solid detection scheme with no or very low false positives for the Sky3DS that card is done.

A vulnerability is a vulnerability. Nintendo has made great strides blocking flash carts in the past and making an assertion that is somehow different than patching other software vulnerabilities doesn't make any sense. Nintendo is working to stop piracy and they will get around to the flash carts.

Your opinion line about common sense made me laugh...

"I personally favor the risk of having a card that could stop working tomorrow over the knowledge that no matter eventually the card will stop working. Again, people won't like to hear that, but it's common sense."

If I have a 3DS on a certain firmware with a known exploit that I can use unless I do something stupid like update the system I will continue to be able to use that exploit.

Similarly the Sky3DS will not stop working unless a user updates the system to a version that blocks the Sky3DS.

Neither cart will mysteriously stop working on their own.

These carts will continue to work until Nintendo blocks them and a user is stupid enough to update their system.

Asserting that one cart will last longer than another or is somehow better than another is foolish and if you think you can predict the future I recommend that go buy a lottery ticket.

Several quotes from me directly contradict what you say, and it's like you've chosen to ignore all of it but I'll go over it point by point (At least the parts that aren't you trying overly hard to be insulting). Half of what you said is just repeating things I said with angrier wording. And on the subject of insulting, I understand you're on the internet and might take it as license but at least try to support intelligent discourse instead of trying to be as condescending possible. The majority of what you said was just poorly worded attacks with little to no actual backing, but I guess it must have felt good to write, right? Maybe you fall in the camp that I mentioned wouldn't like hearing it, but I was objective and kept my opinion separate from the facts, that's the most I can do to appease those people.

Right before your quote there's a sentence that repeats half of what you said:

Sky3DS has the problem that once a fix is made for it, that's that. But the fact is, it relies on future inaction from Nintendo rather than past mistakes by Nintendo. While Nintendo is going to fix it's mistakes, there's no guarantee it's willing to put resources into future actions. As long as Nintendo doesn't put those resources into a fix, there's no limit to how long to Sky3DS can last. So while it could end tomorrow, unlike Gateway, it could also last indefinitely.

I repeated that point ad-nauseam. I said that the Sky3DS could be patched tomorrow morning. maybe you chose to ignore that but it's right there. I also said that Nintendo is going to patch vulnerabilities as a priority over implementing patches for a patch (maybe because I didn't spell it in black and white for you, you missed it in your apparent anger, but I specifically say, starting from the very first paragraph:

It's possible in the future the checks will come, but it's almost guaranteed that every time a vulnerability is found it's going to get patched, since because other than things like Gateway, some of these vulnerabilities can be used for malicious purposes.

Sky3DS has the problem that once a fix is made for it, that's that. But the fact is, it relies on future inaction from Nintendo rather than past mistakes by Nintendo. While Nintendo is going to fix it's mistakes, there's no guarantee it's willing to put resources into future actions. As long as Nintendo doesn't put those resources into a fix, there's no limit to how long to Sky3DS can last. So while it could end tomorrow, unlike Gateway, it could also last indefinitely.

If you read carefully you'll find it's saying exactly what you said without the sass. That vulnerabilities will get priority over implementing the patches. Again, I mention that Sky3DS could definitely be patched.

And your point about software really tells me you didn't attempt to read what I wrote, or did poorly in doing so:

A vulnerability is a vulnerability. Nintendo has made great strides blocking flash carts in the past and making an assertion that is somehow different than patching other software vulnerabilities doesn't make any sense. Nintendo is working to stop piracy and they will get around to the flash carts.

Because I specifically liken it to other software vulnerabilities and even name a few examples:

Relying on published vulnerabilities in software that gets updated means that you're relying on people not updating, like attacks on Java and Adobe Reader do. In the case of the 3DS and N3DS has happened for now, but can't last forever, as eventually new SDKs and versions that have new features that can't simply be spoofed will come out. The alternative is relying on the software creators not knowing about them/ ignoring them. And it's clear that Nintendo knows and keeps track of them at this point, and they don't ignore them.

How is that any different than what you're saying? Other than the condescending parts? You go on this nested mini-rant about updates:

If I have a 3DS on a certain firmware with a known exploit that I can use unless I do something stupid like update the system I will continue to be able to use that exploit.

Similarly the Sky3DS will not stop working unless a user updates the system to a version that blocks the Sky3DS.

Neither cart will mysteriously stop working on their own.

These carts will continue to work until Nintendo blocks them and a user is stupid enough to update their system.

And yet I specifically mention the counterpoint in the very post that you're quoting:

In the case of the 3DS and N3DS has happened for now, but can't last forever, as eventually new SDKs and versions that have new features that can't simply be spoofed will come out.

In case you didn't know, new SDK versions will eventually add new features. I'm a developer on the Wii U, through the Nintendo Developer program, and tell you each time they update the "SDK" (in quotes because it's not obviously not the same SDK) new features are coming. If you've started a game with an on older one you don't have to update what your game uses and it will run just fine without the new features. Sometimes you can't update, because like with a recent update (which was one of the most major new revisions in well over a year), there are breaking/"fragile" changes. Because of those reasons you'll see a huge lag in when games start using new features and when new firmware/SDK versions come out.

Spoofing some new features might be possible, "stubbing" them out might be possible, but obviously there are limits to what you can spoof, and those limits will eventually be reached, especially on the N3DS, since the O3DS is eventually going to EOL and could see a slow down in those updates.

It should be obvious by now that not updating is going to have it's limits. Eventually people will have to increasingly want to move up in versions if they want the newest features. You may argue that you don't care, especially since currently what you miss from not updating isn't much. But my entire point is that the pace at which new features get added will be steady, and eventually not updating will start to mean more for functionality. At the same time Gateway is going to start slowing down because while new features may add new exploits, those exploits will get blocked, and exploits that are similar to past ones are naturally going to be limited because Nintendo knows what to look for internally.

And looking back it just occured to me you went on that tangent because of the wording of the sentences with "tomorrow". The Sky3DS doesn't currently support spoofing. If a new firmware version came out tomorrow and blocked it, I'd call it over. In fact, you would too:

And when they implement a solid detection scheme with no or very low false positives for the Sky3DS that card is done.

So once again you're repeating what I said while trying to be as condescending as possible.


And to this point:

Asserting that one cart will last longer than another or is somehow better than another is foolish and if you think you can predict the future I recommend that go buy a lottery ticket.

You're clearly confusing the difference between can and will. My whole point would be better stated as "Asserting that one cart can last longer than another." The whole point is the Sky3DS can last longer, but once it gets it first patch, it's game over for existing cards. The Gateway is a moving target but it's moving slower and slower, and eventually it will be moving too slow for Nintendo. I specifically state that the Sky3DS could definitely end up patched faster. I'm not predicting anything , I'm just stating the state of the cards. You're the person drawing shaky conclusions from it so you can attack them as a sort of "proxy" to my own statements.

And the second part of that, saying I said one of the carts is "somehow better" was the nail in the coffin as far as me assuming you read what I said thoroughly because of the very last paragraph I wrote:

And I'm not saying that the Sky3DS is better. In exchange for the fact that eventually it will be blocked, the Gateway is a lot more powerful when it comes to things outside of basic game play. The problem is one day when Gateway is out of moves, I don't know if that many people will value the extra power over the fact that it's the end of the road for them.​

 

[AssortedTrailmix]

AssortedTrailMix, you're TLDR was epic. You should post more often.

Honestly? I want both to win. I have had really good experiences with Sky3DS. But I really wanted a Gateway for what it could do. Specifically ROM dumps and sysNAND backups. I also like the ability of running .CIA's instead of having to header patch the Sky3DS template.

The biggest downside? Well, for me, pokegenning. The Sky3DS can handle the spider exploit. I know. I've done it. But that means staying below 9.5.0-22x which kind of defeats the purpose of having a Sky3DS.

Powersaves would be the solution for the Sky3DS, but currently DATEL is blocking most of the Sky3DS (except for pokemon which is awesome!).

We all know it's a cat & mouse game. But also know that everytime Nintendo tries something new (like the themes exploit for coinsetting) they make more holes.

What I really agree with? Gateway and Sky3DS are kind of working with Nintendo. The problem? Nintendo isn't cooperating.

I've said this before many time... most of us who use Gateway and Sky3DS do mostly for the features and for playing a few games. We still buy systems, we still buy retail games. In fact, they actually have created a black market for unused games to be put to good use. (not going further into this)

I also have pointed out that Nintendo has gone the way of pay-to-play which really hurts their base target; kids.

Sure, parents are willing to throw money at Nintendo to shut up their kids, but they're also hurting the ones that can't. $2 for a theme is sickening. They're themes. You're asking a child to steal money for junk so Nintendo can sit on their cash cow mountain. If you buy a retail game, you might as well get the DL version as well. They should use the themes like club coins and throw them at people for buying the game.

But really? I have used the Sky3DS to basically realize that $40.oo for a game is insane for less than 2GB of data stored on plastic. To turn around and charge people for eShop without a retail cart is heading in the right direction, but then it really points out the flaw in the $40 retail game.

Even the WiiPlaza... pay for more extensions... why? Why not let people unlock them for free? Without homepass that would take a lifetime. Even with homepass it's pretty hard to do.

But at this point, Nintendo is using a pay-to-play and throwing the value of time out the window. Time is worth something. Especially to those who can't afford to buy it. So they're even ignoring some basic foundations to healthy pay-to-play market. And then they target it on kids. It really makes me sad.

I wish Nintendo would sit down and realize who their target audience is and weigh the pros/cons of how they're treating them. Folks like us... well, currently we're winning by cheating because Nintendo doesn't like to share.

So while they play cat and mouse, the rabbit and the hare point and laugh. Really sad...

Honestly some things like the Theme system and WiiPlaza surprise me. It seems like Nintendo isn't consistent in it's take on micro-transactions since I thought I had been seeing them get a lot of kudos for finally releasing a game where they unlock everything micro-transactions would give you if you go up to a certain limit and then disable the micro-transactions (which would be like play-before-you-pay). I think that they've taken some serious blowback from micro-transactions and slowly they're going to go towards a better model since they've gone even more committed to mobile with that partnership. Nintendo lives on it's brand as much as anything and micro-transactions as they've implemented them are really hurting that brand, even if they are making money.

Edit: Also forgot to mention, I agree on the rest of that too, the ideal situation is definitely they both work out. Like I said, the Gateway has some powerful features. I myself am still on 9.0 simply because I want to mess around with homebrew, and the Gateway currently makes that easier.

 

[bostonBC]

Several quotes from me directly contradict what you say, and it's like you've chosen to ignore all of it but I'll go over it point by point (At least the parts that aren't you trying overly hard to be insulting). Half of what you said is just repeating things I said with angrier wording. And on the subject of insulting, I understand you're on the internet and might take it as license but at least try to support intelligent discourse instead of trying to be as condescending possible. The majority of what you said was just poorly worded attacks with little to no actual backing, but I guess it must have felt good to write, right? Maybe you fall in the camp that I mentioned wouldn't like hearing it, but I was objective and kept my opinion separate from the facts, that's the most I can do to appease those people.

Right before your quote there's a sentence that repeats half of what you said:




I repeated that point ad-nauseam. I said that the Sky3DS could be patched tomorrow morning. maybe you chose to ignore that but it's right there. I also said that Nintendo is going to patch vulnerabilities as a priority over implementing patches for a patch (maybe because I didn't spell it in black and white for you, you missed it in your apparent anger, but I specifically say, starting from the very first paragraph:





If you read carefully you'll find it's saying exactly what you said without the sass. That vulnerabilities will get priority over implementing the patches. Again, I mention that Sky3DS could definitely be patched.

And your point about software really tells me you didn't attempt to read what I wrote, or did poorly in doing so:



Because I specifically liken it to other software vulnerabilities and even name a few examples:



How is that any different than what you're saying? Other than the condescending parts? You go on this nested mini-rant about updates:



And yet I specifically mention the counterpoint in the very post that you're quoting:



In case you didn't know, new SDK versions will eventually add new features. I'm a developer on the Wii U, through the Nintendo Developer program, and tell you each time they update the "SDK" (in quotes because it's not obviously not the same SDK) new features are coming. If you've started a game with an on older one you don't have to update what your game uses and it will run just fine without the new features. Sometimes you can't update, because like with a recent update (which was one of the most major new revisions in well over a year), there are breaking/"fragile" changes. Because of those reasons you'll see a huge lag in when games start using new features and when new firmware/SDK versions come out.

Spoofing some new features might be possible, "stubbing" them out might be possible, but obviously there are limits to what you can spoof, and those limits will eventually be reached, especially on the N3DS, since the O3DS is eventually going to EOL and could see a slow down in those updates.

It should be obvious by now that not updating is going to have it's limits. Eventually people will have to increasingly want to move up in versions if they want the newest features. You may argue that you don't care, especially since currently what you miss from not updating isn't much. But my entire point is that the pace at which new features get added will be steady, and eventually not updating will start to mean more for functionality. At the same time Gateway is going to start slowing down because while new features may add new exploits, those exploits will get blocked, and exploits that are similar to past ones are naturally going to be limited because Nintendo knows what to look for internally.

And looking back it just occured to me you went on that tangent because of the wording of the sentences with "tomorrow". The Sky3DS doesn't currently support spoofing. If a new firmware version came out tomorrow and blocked it, I'd call it over. In fact, you would too:


So once again you're repeating what I said while trying to be as condescending as possible.


And to this point:


You're clearly confusing the difference between can and will. My whole point would be better stated as "Asserting that one cart can last longer than another." The whole point is the Sky3DS can last longer, but once it gets it first patch, it's game over for existing cards. The Gateway is a moving target but it's moving slower and slower, and eventually it will be moving too slow for Nintendo. I specifically state that the Sky3DS could definitely end up patched faster. I'm not predicting anything , I'm just stating the state of the cards. You're the person drawing shaky conclusions from it so you can attack them as a sort of "proxy" to my own statements.

And the second part of that, saying I said one of the carts is "somehow better" was the nail in the coffin as far as me assuming you read what I said thoroughly because of the very last paragraph I wrote:

<<My whole point would be better stated as "Asserting that one cart can last longer than another.">>

Which for the reasons I mentioned is built on a mountain of shaky assumptions. You can't seem to grasp that a vulnerability is a vulnerability and there is no distinction between a patch to cover a software exploit and a patch to cover a hardware exploit.

<<As long as Nintendo doesn't put those resources into a fix, there's no limit to how long to Sky3DS can last. So while it could end tomorrow, unlike Gateway, it could also last indefinitely.>>

From the above quote please tell me why the Gateway can't also last indefinitely? Please try to be logically consistent with your last note where you try to backtrack and said you weren't predicting anything.

If you mean to say that at some point IF Nintendo continues to ignore the flash cart vulnerability and IF a new system menu is released with a certain SDK component and IF a new game uses a feature in a new SDK and IF that hasn't been patched or spoofed in Gateway then yes I agree with you that the Sky3DS might last longer than the Gateway, or more accurately you might be able to run some newer games on the Sky3DS that you can't run on the Gateway.

But as I so sarcastically tried to teach you - Nintendo has repeatedly blocked flash carts on earlier DS models and your assumption and assertion that somehow it will be different on the 3DS is naive at best.

As long as one doesn't update their system or expect to run a game that requires a system menu that either isn't patched or spoofed by Gateway or that blocks the current Sky3DS flashcart then each card will continue to work fine.

If someone wrote:

<<As long as Nintendo doesn't put those resources into blocking known exploits, there's no limit to how long the Gateway can last.>>
I would have likewise called them out for not living in the real world.
Trust me I was just being sarcastic. If you want me to be condescending as well we can take this to PM.

 

[AssortedTrailmix]

<<My whole point would be better stated as "Asserting that one cart can last longer than another.">>

Which for the reasons I mentioned is built on a mountain of shaky assumptions. You can't seem to grasp that a vulnerability is a vulnerability and there is no distinction between a patch to cover a software exploit and a patch to cover a hardware exploit.

<<As long as Nintendo doesn't put those resources into a fix, there's no limit to how long to Sky3DS can last. So while it could end tomorrow, unlike Gateway, it could also last indefinitely.>>

From the above quote please tell me why the Gateway can't also last indefinitely? Please try to be logically consistent with your last note where you try to backtrack and said you weren't predicting anything.

If you mean to say that at some point IF Nintendo continues to ignore the flash cart vulnerability and IF a new system menu is released with a certain SDK component and IF a new game uses a feature in a new SDK and IF that hasn't been patched or spoofed in Gateway then yes I agree with you that the Sky3DS might last longer than the Gateway, or more accurately you might be able to run some newer games on the Sky3DS that you can't run on the Gateway.

But as I so sarcastically tried to teach you - Nintendo has repeatedly blocked flash carts on earlier DS models and your assumption and assertion that somehow it will be different on the 3DS is naive at best.

As long as one doesn't update their system or expect to run a game that requires a system menu that either isn't patched or spoofed by Gateway or that blocks the current Sky3DS flashcart then each card will continue to work fine.

If someone wrote:

<<As long as Nintendo doesn't put those resources into blocking known exploits, there's no limit to how long the Gateway can last.>>
I would have likewise called them out for not living in the real world.
Trust me I was just being sarcastic. If you want me to be condescending as well we can take this to PM.

Every point you want clarification on has been answered. You're being unreasonably belligerent and seem to be incapable of understanding points I've already spelled out above. I'm not going to waste any more of my time with a person who is so unwilling to drop a caustic and belittling tone. Not that your tone is the only reason I wouldn't waste any more time on this. I've just wasted enough time trying to spell out the same points and if you don't get it by now you won't get it, by choice, or possibly because of an over-inflated sense of understanding of the topic at hand, no amount of time more will aid you in your understanding. If you think I'm wrong, that's your choice. There's no need for me to initiate some kind of back and forth where I repeat the same exact points and you use increasingly fewer words and more insulting language to put up increasingly weaker protests.

And by the way, you would do well to show more respect to others in the future. I know maybe you're used to "internet arguments" that are hardly a step above flinging feces but that's a result of the maturity of those people involved. Not everyone on the internet has the time or lack of self-respect to stoop to that sort of crass behavior and you seem to be under the impression that I would. Language like "Trust me I was just being sarcastic. If you want me to be condescending as well we can take this to PM." is the kind of language fit for the most childish kind of conversation, not intelligent discourse, and is maybe more suited for the group interested in the aforementioned flinging of feces. I won't stand for it, not for a lack of thick skin, but for the fact that this forum that I've read from for years has never seemed a refuge for that kind of behavior, no matter how a few people have tried to turn it into that. If you have a problem with all that don't respond to me anymore, although I see no need for further response as I've spelled out the situation quite well above.

 

[SLiV3R]

Yes!!!!!!!!!

I bought the best flash cart

 

[Deleted-355425]

the point you made about gateway running out of exploits is real moot assortedtrailmix, while new changes, games and software is released new exploits will be found also. If they ever did run out of vulnerabilities then we can always go the hardware route but in all seriousness the N3DS will be shelved and nintendoe's new handheld will be out before every exploit is found

 

[bostonBC]

Every point you want clarification on has been answered. You're being unreasonably belligerent and seem to be incapable of understanding points I've already spelled out above. I'm not going to waste any more of my time with a person who is so unwilling to drop a caustic and belittling tone. Not that your tone is the only reason I wouldn't waste any more time on this. I've just wasted enough time trying to spell out the same points and if you don't get it by now you won't get it, by choice, or possibly because of an over-inflated sense of understanding of the topic at hand, no amount of time more will aid you in your understanding. If you think I'm wrong, that's your choice. There's no need for me to initiate some kind of back and forth where I repeat the same exact points and you use increasingly fewer words and more insulting language to put up increasingly weaker protests.

And by the way, you would do well to show more respect to others in the future. I know maybe you're used to "internet arguments" that are hardly a step above flinging feces but that's a result of the maturity of those people involved. Not everyone on the internet has the time or lack of self-respect to stoop to that sort of crass behavior and you seem to be under the impression that I would. Language like "Trust me I was just being sarcastic. If you want me to be condescending as well we can take this to PM." is the kind of language fit for the most childish kind of conversation, not intelligent discourse, and is maybe more suited for the group interested in the aforementioned flinging of feces. I won't stand for it, not for a lack of thick skin, but for the fact that this forum that I've read from for years has never seemed a refuge for that kind of behavior, no matter how a few people have tried to turn it into that. If you have a problem with all that don't respond to me anymore, although I see no need for further response as I've spelled out the situation quite well above.

Yikes son, I was being as respectful as possible considering how weak and poorly thought out your assertions were.

This is my 1000'th post on GBATemp and you've made all of 20 now. The overwhelming majority of mine were nowhere near as caustic as you seem to feel our exchange has been.

You earn respect son and your OP was full of opinions you put forth as facts. If your future posts are done with the same inattention to logic someone else will call you out.

Best of luck ATM.

 

[AssortedTrailmix]

Yikes son, I was being as respectful as possible considering how weak and poorly thought out your assertions were.

This is my 1000'th post on GBATemp and you've made all of 20 now. The overwhelming majority of mine were nowhere near as caustic as you seem to feel our exchange has been.

You earn respect son and your OP was full of opinions you put forth as facts. If your future posts are done with the same inattention to logic someone else will call you out.

Best of luck ATM.

Even in attempting to end an exchange you feel the need to attempt to be insulting by repeatedly referring to me as "son" and referring to things like "an inattention as logic". Truly pathetic. Having 1000 posts means nothing if this is how you carry yourself.

And by the way, the idea of "earning respect" is only used in talk. In most cultures you treat absolute strangers with respect (at least if you have what those cultures would consider a proper upbringing). The things people do to "earn respect" are things that normal people should do anyways. It's about losing respect by doing things like being as rude as possible and thinking that 1000 posts of undetermined quality gives you license to be a condescending, belligerent, contrarian. And maybe think about dropping the "son". I know you can't resist anything that would come off as rude, but it's a sobering thought to think someone who acts like this could be a father figure.

 

[AssortedTrailmix]

You will soon learn not to argue with flashcard fanboys, it is an (intelligence) losing proposition.

I should have taken your warning a bit more seriously...

 

[dandymanz]

Well, people always say the world will end one day. So if you believe that, do you just stop and wait to die? No, life goes on.
So whether you're a Gateway user or a Sky3ds user, just continue using what you have and stop thinking that one day it will be blocked and you can't use it anymore...

 

[bostonBC]

Even in attempting to end an exchange you feel the need to attempt to be insulting by repeatedly referring to me as "son" and referring to things like "an inattention as logic". Truly pathetic. Having 1000 posts means nothing if this is how you carry yourself.

And by the way, the idea of "earning respect" is only used in talk. In most cultures you treat absolute strangers with respect (at least if you have what those cultures would consider a proper upbringing). The things people do to "earn respect" are things that normal people should do anyways. It's about losing respect by doing things like being as rude as possible and thinking that 1000 posts of undetermined quality gives you license to be a condescending, belligerent, contrarian. And maybe think about dropping the "son". I know you can't resist anything that would come off as rude, but it's a sobering thought to think someone who acts like this could be a father figure.

Would you have preferred me call you junior?

Please stop whining about that I called out your illogical assertions as it simply shows how poor your arguments were/are. If you want to continue this take it to a PM.

 

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[AssortedTrailmix]

I chuckled, but I'm sorry, it looks like you got here too late! I think I made my point if the most that he can do is keep up with the angry tone and getting me to "take it to PM".

 

[cracker]

I should have taken your warning a bit more seriously...

You're lucky this isn't 4chan /v/!

 

[AssortedTrailmix]

You're lucky this isn't 4chan /v/!

I'd probably be getting intimate with the wrong end of a DDoS service from what I hear