Should victimless crimes be crimes?

[JuanMena]

Should we go to jail for harming ourselves

In the UK is illegal to eat human meat. That means you can't chop a chunk of your leg, cook it and eat it.
In a sense, what you're asking is already being done.

I'm not sure where else is illegal to consume human flesh, but I think it falls on the same category?

Also, is famine a way of harming oneself?

 

[Arko]

LMAO, yeah. You know all those fucking potheads who go out at night wanting to beat kids up because they injected the marijuana.

Good reduction attempt. Not every weedhead is a tech hippie eating hash brownies trying to find a solution to hunger in Africa.

Come to Izmir/Turkey if you want to see how the addiction causes communities problems.

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This point is just fearmongering.

It isn't. Humans in general don't deserve the limitless freedoms they yearn and fight for and in this very particular instance they are becoming slaves to their freedoms.

Chemical dependencies are really bad. This includes sugar by the way.

And as western leftists you are alien to human beings. You don't know, you don't recognize the human. You think whatever surrounds you, your well off, privilleged suburban echo chambers are the whole world.

 

[spotanjo3]

I don't know but why people who do drugs are dumb!

 

[Deleted member 568468]

And as western leftists you are alien to human beings. You don't know, you don't recognize the human. You think whatever surrounds you, your well off, privilleged suburban echo chambers are the whole world.

what? how is being leftist inherently a sign of privilege?

 

[Deleted member 568468]

People who argue drugs should be legalized (they are useful idioting for money barons) are more often than not (western) leftists (people who love their BLM terrorist organization and by extension against mistreatment of black drug users) because a true leftist wouldn't want his society destroyed and his motherland's fields unattended and un-cropless.

I equate western leftism with privillege and I don't even need to explain myself. Because people before me already did: "Champagne Socialist".

I... am not a leftist myself much (just a progressive, but I'm quite anti-drugs and anti-alcohol even) but what you're saying is quite generalizing, given some leftists living in the "west" aren't the banana children you have in mind.

But I see where you're coming from, quite a portion of leftists I know are usually spoiled children having nothing to do with their free time. On top of that, they hold some seriously harmful views which made me end the friendship with these people. And I'm quite tolerant of these things.

Just remember to not put everyone in one bag based on one very broad descriptor.

 

[AmandaRose]

As a driver, if you jaywalk you are thieving me of my safety and peace of mind. I'm the victim there. There's no such thing as victimless crime.

In most parts of the world that is true but here in Scotland jaywalking is legal as indeed it is in other parts of Great Britain. Its drivers responsibility not to hit anyone and they are breaking the law if they do.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Alcohol use affects more bystanders/causes more victims than any other drug and yet it's legal while almost every other recreational drug isn't.
Plus they are not solving any issues by keeping drugs illegal. All they're doing is sweeping the issue under the rug by making people who truly need help have to hide their problems for fear of getting fined or going to jail, so instead of getting the help they need they continue self medicating in secret, which may make things worse.
Psychedelics also have genuine benefits and medical uses but due to the illegality it holds back research into those areas and makes it difficult to even get prescribed them by a doctor.
There is zero sense in keeping drugs illegal.

 

[pustal]

You're most welcome. I'm a handsome, rich, smart, intellectual, an exquisite renaissance man and I know how to treat my subjects.

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People who argue drugs should be legalized (they are useful idioting for money barons) are more often than not western leftists (people who love their BLM terrorists and by extension are against mistreatment of black drug users) because a true leftist wouldn't want his society destroyed and his motherland's fields unattended and un-cropless.

I equate western leftism with privillege and I don't even need to explain myself. Because people before me already did: "Champagne Socialist".

*Decriminalized

And quite the opposite. When you seen the war on drugs on the USA that did nothing to fight drug crisis and look oversees and see this



I lived through a heroin crisis. I saw it. I saw it gone away.

Ignoring facts to maintain a lie that drugs abuse is treated with criminal charges helps no one except who profits from the drug crisis.

If you are unable to look at the facts and figures elsewhere to compare with your country's problem there is really nothing I can do for you.

Believe what you want. I live in a drug crisis ridden place, you live in a place that keeps feeding the problem.

 

[WiiMiiSwitch]

If a drunk bitch gets hit by a car or falls down, insurance is the victim (by indirect force all the people, you and I, who fill that pool with premiums).

There is no such thing as victimless crime.

What

 

[Kwyjor]

Shouldn't this be in "World News, Current Events & Politics"? Alongside all the other topics where people fling around their uninformed opinions with reckless abandon?

 

[chrisrlink]

funny thing is it's illegal to cross the street not on a cross walk but it's also illegal (mostly) to ride a bicycle on a sidewalk (where most crosswalks are) so how the hell am i suppose to cross the street on my bike to go to the store? (mind you it's an adult trike (I got poor balance bite me) so walking it takes more effort than a normal bike let alone steering it while walking)

 

[Foxi4]

funny thing is it's illegal to cross the street not on a cross walk but it's also illegal (mostly) to ride a bicycle on a sidewalk (where most crosswalks are) so how the hell am i suppose to cross the street on my bike to go to the store? (mind you it's an adult trike (I got poor balance bite me) so walking it takes more effort than a normal bike let alone steering it while walking)

This might blow your mind... but you can walk with your bike. When you are riding your bicycle, you are to behave as any other vehicle. If you want to cross the road, which is not something vehicles do, you should dismount. At that point you are considered a pedestrian and you can walk with your bike, both on the cross walk and across pedestrian crossings. It’s actually fairly simple - are you supposed to be a vehicle or a pedestrian? Because you don’t get to behave like both simultaneously when on the road.

 

[chrisrlink]

This might blow your mind... but you can walk with your bike. When you are riding your bicycle, you are to behave as any other vehicle. If you want to cross the road, which is not something vehicles do, you should dismount. At that point you are considered a pedestrian and you can walk with your bike, both on the cross walk and across pedestrian crossings. It’s actually fairly simple - are you supposed to be a vehicle or a pedestrian? Because you don’t get to behave like both simultaneously when on the road.

yeah maybe for a perfectly normal human being but I have cerebral palsy and it's hard to push a 50 pound adult trike let alone control while walking it

 

[Foxi4]

yeah maybe for a perfectly normal human being but I have cerebral palsy and it's hard to push a 50 pound adult trike let alone control while walking it

I assure you, it is preferable to getting hit by a car - I should know, I got hit by one once. The flight was nice, the extended period of unconsciousness was not - I was a silly child. In any case, when you’re in the middle of a crossing, you have better odds of dodging a vehicle on foot than you do on a bike or trike. If you truly have no option of dismounting then you must necessarily continue behaving like a vehicle and take the next available u-turn or roundabout. You don’t get to cut across the road, it’s exceedingly dangerous for you and for drivers on the road.

 

[Kunty]

I mean technically speaking laws are a social construct and are used for the betterment of the people who reside within the country the laws are attached to. We tend to blindly follow them as we have a complex of having to conform to societal norms that we created ourselves. The problem with laws is that they aren't voted into law by the public who will have to abide by them, they are created by a small portion of people who then make them law and expect the people who had no input to follow them. Now when is comes to drugs it gets tricky, the war on drugs was lost the moment it started, all that money could be used for rehab treatments and education to prevent the addiction in the first place. People forget that addiction is a disease and it's incredibly difficult to kick the habit. I was addicted to opioids for 3 years, got clean for 5 years and then relapsed 2 years ago and I'm still recovering. During my addiction I was living a relatively normal life going to college and to work and no one had a clue what was going on when I got home. We will never stop people from taking illicit drugs so why waste the resources on making them illegal and enforcing those laws so stringently? Surely those resources could be used to help better educate and create more rehab programs to prevent the addiction in the first place? We may not be able to stop everyone from using but we could maybe help the people to stop using. But back to the question, laws are supposed to make life better and more comfortable, so some victimless crimes shouldn't be considered crimes because who is it actually hurting? Nobody. I think the crime itself would have to be assessed as to whether it truly is victimless.

 

[The Catboy]

I don't know but why people who do drugs are dumb!

I can actually answer this because I was addicted to pain killers, alcohol, and caffeine. I wouldn’t say that people who do drugs are “dumb” because often times drug use is the result of greater underlying issues. Many drug addicts started out as legitimate treatment, such as those who end up addicted to opioids as a result of medical treatment. Many get addicted through self-medicating due to untreated or poorly treated medical issues, this is commonly found with alcoholics. There’s countless other issues but ultimately addiction is commonly started with an untreated or poorly treated problems, which became worse over time.
I became addicted to painkillers to deal with an underlying nerve disorder and was getting high to deal with it. I was an alcoholic because I was in a toxic environment, the same environment where I was horribly abused most of my adult life. I needed an escape, so I started drinking and smoking unhealthy amount of weed. I got horribly addicted to caffeine because I was working overnight shifts 40+ hours a week and used caffeine to make it through the night. I was drinking like 3 to 4 Monsters a night to deal with that. My addictions were caused untreated issues and was made worse through my limited resources to deal with those issues. Once I started getting treatment and working toward bettering my life through those treatments, I was able to overcome my addiction. I also got help making sure I stayed off my addictions. It required a mix of help and bettering my own life. Still, it wouldn’t have changed if I didn’t have at least one resource helping me to begin with. That’s something I think people fail to realize. Addicts need help, they need support, they don’t need to be treated like shit for addicts.

 

[spotanjo3]

I can actually answer this because I was addicted to pain killers, alcohol, and caffeine. I wouldn’t say that people who do drugs are “dumb” because often times drug use is the result of greater underlying issues. Many drug addicts started out as legitimate treatment, such as those who end up addicted to opioids as a result of medical treatment. Many get addicted through self-medicating due to untreated or poorly treated medical issues, this is commonly found with alcoholics. There’s countless other issues but ultimately addiction is commonly started with an untreated or poorly treated problems, which became worse over time.
I became addicted to painkillers to deal with an underlying nerve disorder and was getting high to deal with it. I was an alcoholic because I was in a toxic environment, the same environment where I was horribly abused most of my adult life. I needed an escape, so I started drinking and smoking unhealthy amount of weed. I got horribly addicted to caffeine because I was working overnight shifts 40+ hours a week and used caffeine to make it through the night. I was drinking like 3 to 4 Monsters a night to deal with that. My addictions were caused untreated issues and was made worse through my limited resources to deal with those issues. Once I started getting treatment and working toward bettering my life through those treatments, I was able to overcome my addiction. I also got help making sure I stayed off my addictions. It required a mix of help and bettering my own life. Still, it wouldn’t have changed if I didn’t have at least one resource helping me to begin with. That’s something I think people fail to realize. Addicts need help, they need support, they don’t need to be treated like shit for addicts.

Yes, I understand that. In my family have that too and addicts need help and help is out there. That's why I hope more people listen to you and in my family through that and will not make big mistake. I am very happy that you was able to overcome your addiction. Its not easy but you can do it. I do not mean "dumb" but I mean those people who wants to abuse and wants to hurt themselves. I feel hurt and sad for them because we are all big family and wants to help each others.