(Sh)Italy - The Worst Place in the Solar System

Discussion in 'World News, Current Events & Politics' started by Lord M, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. Lord M
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    I guess many people think about Italy as an amazing country, with all its history and so on, and maybe they wasn't so wrong if you visit this country as tourist, but you need to know how exactly the life works here...

    First and foremost, sorry for my bad english; it isn't so good, and expecially when talks about politics, it be even worsen.
    To start this discussion, you must know that Italy is a country based on Family (no, not the common family with mother, father and son, if you know what i mean). If you know the "right" people, you can get anything without any effort. Otherwise, you become a slave.

    I must underline that what i attempt to tell to all, is not applied to entire Italy, but in particular in Sorrento Peninsula, where i actually live.
    First, i talked about slavery, and its not sound exaggerated as you might believe. Works for 6-7 days at week, and about 12-15 hours per day, for a pay out under the minimum needed for live, is slavery, not a normal job anymore (and this make me impossible to find a human job, so money become the first trouble). I heard some friends from other Italy cities, and most of them work around 8 hours per day, so is this fucking shitty Sorrento Peninsula which actually sucks as hell.

    Now, go to the most ironic part of my discussion: my house have no water by over than a year.
    You think i like to act as a victim? You think is a joke? No, because you dont even know how is the life in Sorrento Peninsula. I told this fact to a my friend who come from Senegal (yeah, where the life is really hard) and when i said i have no water, he start to laught, telling me that even in Senegal these bullshits didn't exists.

    The first question that come to our mind are the next: how it possible?
    And now i attempt, as best as i can with my bad english, to tell you how this indecorous situation occured.

    You need to know that in Italy, every City Hall own some council flats they give to people or family who actually have issue to living (injuries, job-losting or not enough money to live, the latter one which was my case).
    In the first place, the City Hall didn't want to give a house to my family, and after many fight, my mother win, but they attempted to give the house that was mine to one of their "friend", even when my family goes first than him on waiting list (now you got how things works here).
    So my family get this house with the force (thanks Master Yoda), and in the end Mayor surrendered to this state.
    But he refuse to give us a lease (is this the correct word for that paper the house-owner give to tenants about the monthly payment?).

    After several years, and after the privatization of Italy, the Water Agency cut off our water supply because the new gesture pretend a house lease to keep on the water provision for a flat. Is this a cospiracy? Now i must go every day to street fountain to provide the daily water requirements that everybody need (whoa, i become very strong by keep taking water and carrying to house in all this time).
    Ironically, by some months the street fountains release a weak flow of water, making my forced water withdrawal, expecially in summer, a true nightmare. Its possible for a country to go against a single people or family, with such a bastardy??
    A house with no water in 2018? Are you kidding? We get back to medieval times?

    You maybe suggest to sue the Mayor to Finance or a lawyer? Pointless, he already bribed everyone and get free from every accusations (he did so many illegal actions in this country and he already get free by "paying the justice").

    Is really possible a country like this to be real? YES, IS IT, and ist called Meta, in Sorrento Peninsula.
    The people who live here sucks as Mayor did; when they hear something like my case of no water, they dont help you, but just gossip with others.

    Make me a favor: spread this word; i want everyone in the world know how garbage Meta (Sorrento Peninsula) is, and tell to everybody you know - friends, family and so on - to never land in this shitty Peninsula if they want to visit Italy, NEVER.
    My family actually get poisoned inside about how life and job works here, and we actually hope for a nuclear bomb to wipe away this meaningless, infamous place...
     
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  2. Taleweaver

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    Ouch...that's pretty bad. :(

    I traveled through Italy once (note: over ten years ago), and my travelling friends and myself agreed that Italy seemed to have two economies. Basically: the northern half is more expensive (but also cleaner) than the south half. And Napels / Pompeii (which is pretty close, if google maps is correct) was the turning point.

    Not too long before our travel, there was an Italian scandal with the garbage men. Can't really recall the details now, but there were certainly instances where the garbage wasn't collected. That too, seemed more apparent in Napels (in other words: it was pretty dirty. Combine that with late teen fantasy, and...you get the picture).

    But even so, I find it a difficult story to believe. The area may not be rich or not-corrupt, but it's in no way a third world country. Do I believe that bureaucracy is used in favors of friends? Absolutely. Do I believe that a misunderstanding gets you cut off from water? Yes. Do I believe nothing can be done about it? Absolutely not. And that's what's bothering me: we're not the local media. Get this story to the press. Or perhaps on local sites. That might help. This...won't help. And if it's as serious as you say (and Italy is warm enough that it's REALLY serious), then it's harder to believe. :unsure:
     
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  3. Lord M
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    Yeah, its 2018 and Italy is still divided in North and South (USA resolved this question by ages lol).
    And yes, things was so different ten years ago, but you need to know that here the things get worsen and worsen after every year. Now is really impossible to live here. The food cost increase every day, the cost of bus and train tickets grow when quality of service decrease. Ten years ago the monthly subscription for bus and trains costs 27 euro and get valid for both bus and trains; now it cost 40 euro and you must choice only one from bus and trains. WTF???
    And bus and trains now pass when they want; if they decide to skip a course they did it (for instance, if a train pass at 9:20 and then pass at 9:50, but they want to skip the 9:20, they did it and nobody stop this shame) Is really possible?? YES, and its called Italy.

    Ah and my family spent last Christmas (2017) with no water, no internet and no electricity, because of fraud of Electricity Agency and they cut off our light supply at 22 December, close to holydays because in this way it was too late to resolve the trouble.
    I mean, how bastard an italian can be? Unlimited...
    You think my story is hard to believe? YOU DONT KNOW ITALY. I really dont see any good reason for this country to keep existing...
     
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    Don't you like your Country? Change what it isn't right, or go to live in another Country.
    Italy is the best Country in the Universe for its quality (art, food, history, language).
    The problem isn't the Country itself but the politicians who manage it
     
  5. smileyhead

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    This might be the best title to a thread I've read in my entire fucking life.
     
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    Hmm. Most Italians I ever met usually kept with "at least I am not in Greece", sounds like that might falter here.

    Otherwise I don't really know what to say. To quote a cheesy film I have spent my life gaining specific skills, though rather than just being able to kill pretty well I can also build things and living off grid as it were is also a thing in that and I can mess with systems like that (or just use solar, generators and dig a well), though don't go electrocuting yourself if you don't know what you are doing there. If you want to get creative with computers you can also make the lives of your bog standard corrupt bureaucrat rather troubled -- if it is all backhanders in the real world then it also tends to come with an attendant lack of IT skills. A good one is to allow some documents that suggest the Guardia di Finanza might be interested in something (really subtly though -- people don't believe blatant things but make them work for it and it is all the sweeter, or maybe just send a letter asking for "routine financial reports" be sent back to their base or maybe their office in the municipal police and saying they don't want to get a judge to compel the documents be released). Probably skip the DIA until a bit later into the fantasy. Do also remember you have to live there though so best security protocols your end if you are going down that path.


    That said I shall choose to be paranoid and assume you are actually one of those locals that wants to hide away a nice place from the world.
     
  7. tbb043

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    That's a shame. Here, in detroit, they can't even shut off water for the welfare bums that don't pay their water bill for years, and if they try, moaning and bitching by leftist democrats about it (becuz they're black, don't think they aren't just playing the race card with this)... it's ridiculous.
     
  8. FAST6191

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    There are similar rulings in the UK. Water got made an essential/human right some years ago (tried to find the case where it all happened but came up short, was probably over 20 years ago). They might well reduce it to a trickle but as far as shutting off then no.
     
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  9. Xzi

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    Really? The right to clean drinking water is a partisan issue that only Democrats support now? I guess that checks out if we're moving toward Idiocracy...they water the crops with Gatorade (Brawndo) in that movie.
     
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    Ah...I see that hasn't changed. :P

    On mentioned trip, my friends and I had this sort of train abonnement for a month for Italy and Greece. We had planned to go to Brindisi from Napels, but either the four of us completely misread the train's destination, or the train was delayed or swapped somehow. In any case: after about half an hour on the train, we noticed we were heading to Rome instead. Because of the abonnement, we had a laugh at it ("no wonder we can't trace any of these stops on the map :P").
    ...up until the conductor came and pointed out that, despite the train looking 100% like the other trains, the abonnement didn't cover THAT privatized train and we had to pay for not hearing/understanding/knowing that we were on the wrong one. :glare:
    (NOTE: this was the only incident in at least a dozen days of taking the train, so it's not like this happened the whole time)

    Here's a thing I learned from discussing politics with Americans: what is considered "right" in Belgium (and in roughly the rest of the EU) is considered "left" in America. Our "left" is probably seen as "communist scum!!!", even if it's merely socialism*. Likewise: what Americans call politically right is probably best described as "individualist gun nuts" over here.

    As such: drinking water is indeed a basic human right in the EU. Nobody will even start to argue with that.
    Small footnote: a couple years ago, I remember an 'extreme right political group' (meaning: 'somewhat centered' in American terms) suggesting that people not paying their electricity after enough warnings can be reduced to a minimum. This was considered ridiculous by...just about everyone else, especially in the government.


    *I just started reading up on Bernie Sanders's biography. More than once, when reading on his accomplishments and goals, I thought "wow...Americans didn't had that before? :blink:".
     
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  11. Lord M
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    I expected the usual stupid italian reply.
    You think i didnt already changed country if i could have?
    And italian politicians aren't italians anyway?

    And who did all the italian cool food and art? People
    Who elect politicians? People
    Who let politicians to destroy Italy? People.
    Art, food, history and so on are useless if the life here is a total shit.

    So the really worse problem for Italy are italians after all...
     
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    That is true for pretty much every other country as well.

    You might think that in another country, things are better and different but the natives there might complain about it the same way as you do about Italy.
    You're simply irked about the situation, it's completely understandable.
    But the fact is, even if you migrate to another country, you will get irked again by the situation in that country as well.
    Likely develop the same feelings.
     
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    Obviously you live here, with me, in my house and follow my life every time, didn't you? What you pretend to know?
    You maybe accuse me i did my situation and like it?
    Yeah, other countries have a mayor and so on who love to shut off water supply to people, right?
    Sure you dont know i already talked with a lawyer, but she said she dont know yet what we can do about this situation, because she never heard about a Mayor that wanted a people with no water.

    You say its the same in other country as well, but in the other country didnt live such a great bastards like italians.
    Yeah, because the common italian is usually very greedy and infamous.
    The very problem of italians are they actually like to talk and nothing more. Talk, talk, talk, but never did.
    Obviously you know much more about my country where i actually live and you dont...
     
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    Mate, where did I accuse you of anything?
     
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    You said i will complain in other country as well.
    Maybe i pretend too much to have a house with water in 2018...

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    Yeah, indeed Italy have the "best" bus/train system of the whole world...
     
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    Idk where you see me accusing you of complaining in another country but w/e.

    If you hate Italy so much, then why aren't you working on migrating to another country?
    It's completely up to yourself.

    I hate this shitty place where I live as well but you don't hear me complain about it.
     
  17. jimmyj

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    Yes I totally agree, I though live in naples and my situation in naples isn't really the best. And i also totally agree about the family part basically he's referring to mafia and the camorra (camorra is basically another group like the mafia,just based in Naples.) italy is not a nice place period. Unfortunately it still even saddens me that north italians have to hate us and this is a form of racism if you think about it. south italy does the same but they don't directly insult them like the north does,by calling us "terrun" which if you aren't italian or not from the south of Italy won't mean much to you,but trust me,it's not a nice thing to hear.

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    also,naples is really dirty,not because trash isn't collected,but because of the new trash rules and now even more people make "public on the road dumps" if i were in naples atm i would definitely send a picture.

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    also,naples is really dirty,not because trash isn't collected,but because of the new trash rules and now even more people make "public on the road dumps" if i were in naples atm i would definitely send a picture.

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    you will not, you've clearly not been to italy or someplace in the south of italy.
     
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    Have been to Italy a few times.

    I'm pretty sure the both of you just take it far to personally.
     
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    okay sure,when i get back home in September i WILL send a picture of what I'm talking about.
     
  20. DodgyJudge

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    Psssshh you never went to usa huh?
     
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