Saving up for a PC build.... any idea how it will do Wii/GC emulation?

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    sometimes, though usually they either POST correctly but can't install windows or can't POST completely but let you access the bios (uefi)
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    Thanks again.
    One more quick question: Possible to put the Windows 8 install disc on a USB drive so it can be installed without a disc drive?
     
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    Yes. I used Rufus to make a working Windows 8 USB install, it was the only one that worked with my particular setup (UEFI BIOS with no legacy boot option, Surface Pro 3)
    https://rufus.akeo.ie/
     
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    If you're going for just running Dolphin, that computer build will probably work.
    About a year and a half ago I built a desktop for playing Dolphin+PC games in stereoscopic 3D.
    If you want to eventually play Wii/GC games in 3D, you maybe starting a bit low.
    If nothing else, you probably want ATX and not MicroATX so that you have more space in the case/on the motherboard. The CPU is pretty weak as well.

    There was a point where Dolphin officially supported Nvidia 3DVision, but it seems like it's not a direct option anymore. It can probably still be enabled outside of Dolphin with Nvidia Inspector though. I also ran into this build of Dolphin that fixed 3D issues in the Zelda games: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/572854/3d-vision/dolphin-stereovision/1
    I'm running an i7-4770K OC at 4.1Ghz and an EVGA GTX 760. I can get most games running in 720P 3D with almost all settings at High. However, there are some Wii games that I can't run with much antialiasing - Xenoblade and Last Story. Last Story even lags when the CPU is OC to 4.7Ghz.

    If you want to do 3D with Nvidia, there are 2 options:
    Nvidia 3DVision kit + 3D PC Monitor
    Nvidia 3DTVPlay + Compatible 3D Glasses + 3D TV/Projector
    If you go this route, http://helixmod.blogspot.com/ is the site that fixes 3D in games that Nvidia neglected.

    I'm not as familiar with the AMD side, but it seems like the only option available is Tridef.
    Tridef works on both Nvidia and AMD and it is actively supported by the developer.
    You are more likely to need something along the lines of the 2nd option in Nvidia: Tridef + Compatible 3D Glasses + 3D TV/Monitor/Projector.
     
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    For now, I'm just going to get a weak computer that can just barely do Dolphin in 2D 1080p (720P or even native resolution for the tough to emulate games) at full speed and then later sell this build to make a real build after Skylake is released next year.

    Skylake is going to use a new CPU socket, so it won't be possible to build a computer now that can later be upgraded with a Skylake CPU anyways.
     
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    i'd invest strong now. 4670k+ kill everything dolphin has to offer once overlocked. no need to buy old hardware which you will dump later.
     
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    Whilst some motherboards can be updated without a CPU inserted, it depends on if that feature was added. See the motherboard documents (available from the mfr websites) for specific details for any given motherboard.

    Some vendors will also update the BIOS for you if you request it upon placing your order.
    Edit: didn't see the other posts...
     
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    nvidia 3D support on Dolphin was dropped when they switch exclusively to 64bit processing to focus on multicore support and stability.
     
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    Ugg. Turns out the person I had talked to was wrong and walmart.com purchases do not work for the discount.

    I found a $498 i3-4130, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD, DVD drive, Windows 8 computer (didn't mention GPU so assuming no GPU). That's about $373.5 after the discount so I'm going to go get it in the morning.

    I didn't even end up building a computer, but I will after Skylake CPUs get released next year :)
     
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    Posting what I posted over on Gamefaqs:
     
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    I would guess that a GTX660 would be around the level of that CPU. You could probably get it a lot cheaper than the other cards. Don't worry about the 2D rating - it's only 50 points behind and the 3D rating is roughly an order of magnitude better. As you pointed out, a GTX970 would be good for a future build. If you can get a GTX760 for a good price, it's a great card. However, you may pay more for the 760 and if you want to upgrade it later, it would cost you more overall.
     
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    Either go really cheap or really expensive IMO.

    660 or 970.

    If this is purely for dolphin, get just get a 660. If you want PC gaming too and will play the NEWEST pc games, get a 970.


    If I were you, I'd get a 660, have fun with it for a year then invest in the new nvidia graphics cards next year IF you find a need for it.


    Key to PC gaming is knowing what you want and need, if you're not sure, go for the best bang for buck purchase as around august time, prices plummet as new stuff is released. i hate the frustration of lost FPS in emulation tho which is why I always recommend getting a solid processor. skylake vs haswell won't give you that much of a performance increase for emulation because my 4670k overlocked eats up every wii/gamecube/ps2 titles emulated I've tried on it. honestly its a perfect time to play emulated games on PC as its hit its peak in terms of performance.
     
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    I think I'll go with the GTX 660 for now and use it as a selling point when I resell it to build a PC next year. Thanks.
     
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    Nice. If budget is a problem, then stick with budget build obv.

    However, I would recommend a nice processor. You won't get the benefits of emulation unless you have a rocks solid processor which can handle everything butter smooth. I got a crappy AMD phenom for my first gaming PC build and was really turned off emulation on a whole. However, now I have an intel haswell.. Its just perfect and my first priority from now onwards when building is getting the procc + heatsink right because they can really last a long time.
     
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    This is just so I can have a cheap build that's just good enough for Dolphin emulation (atleast full speed native but I'll try higher settings first if it can do better) and some other (non-emu) PC games.

    I will start saving my money and when Skylake CPUs get released next year, I will create a brand new build from scratch with a Skylake CPU and a great GPU* if the Skylake CPUs have enough increased single thread performance and not just higher core count.
    *prices will no doubt change by then so I won't pick now

    If Skylake turns out to just be higher core counts with less or same single thread performance (compared to i7-4790K), I'll go with a Broadwell build.
     
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    I've done some googling and found some videos of people running some hard(er) to emulate Wii and GC games with around the same power level or weaker (in terms of single thread performance) CPUs:

    Warning: Spoilers inside!

    Yeah I think this i3-4130 CPU will do just fine for Dolphin for sure.
     
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    Wait... Dolphin supports up to 3 cores now? :blink: Thought it was just 2.

    https://dolphin-emu.org/docs/faq/


    EDIT: Turns out it was talking about the ability to put the sound on a third core.
     
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    Guys stop using passmark it's unreliable.
    If you want to compare products use gpu/cpuboss
     
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