Hacking [Rumor] A lot of players bricked their 3DS by ROM/CIA-upgrading GW 3.01 Downgraded 4.x's emuNAND

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I just want to warn people against what Djoen said: EMUNAND IS NOT A VALID SYSNAND IMAGE SINCE 7.0

If you restore emunand to sysnand, you will end up with a bricked system. BE SMART
 

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I just want to warn people against what Djoen said: EMUNAND IS NOT A VALID SYSNAND IMAGE SINCE 7.0

If you restore emunand to sysnand, you will end up with a bricked system. BE SMART

And inverted: Can I use the NAND.bin generated in the SysNAND backup as an emuNAND.bin?
 

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I just want to warn people against what Djoen said: EMUNAND IS NOT A VALID SYSNAND IMAGE SINCE 7.0

If you restore emunand to sysnand, you will end up with a bricked system. BE SMART

I never said anything about using emunand backup for sysnand.
I just wanna make clear that it is always handy to have a backup of your emunand and sysnand and that you can backup your emunand with a tool to keep it on your pc :)

It is indeed not recommanded to use your emunand backup to restore sysnand, you will get a bricked system., but i never said to do that :)
 

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I just want to warn people against what Djoen said: EMUNAND IS NOT A VALID SYSNAND IMAGE SINCE 7.0

If you restore emunand to sysnand, you will end up with a bricked system. BE SMART


Probably make a better title for this post, the word "alot" especially seems like trolling.
 

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ofc, or you could just pick format emunand again in the GW menu


The problem is I already downgraded and formated my SysNAND and I forgot to unlink my NNID. My NAND.bin backup file has NNID linked, so I wanna recover it without recover the NAND.bin to SysNAND :)
 

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yep new title

A lot of 2 players bricked their 3DS by ROM/CIA-upgrading GW 3.01 Downgraded 4.x's emuNAND not following instructions :lol:

The problem is I already downgraded and formated my SysNAND and I forgot to unlink my NNID. My NAND.bin backup file has NNID linked, so I wanna recover it without recover the NAND.bin to SysNAND :)
yeah just use emunand tool to write the sysnand backup to your emunand, everything will work fine (NNID etc)
 

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My system bricked the first two times by using 8.1 E backups on a U console to attempt sysnand updating.
Then I used 5.x U backup with the same result.
It was gw mode on sysnand.

Keep in mind I wasn't doing anything anyone needs to do to have gw support- I just wanted ak2i support back, if possible, and was comfortable hard modding if I Bricked.

Now that I found out it works using cearps cia once on 4.2 other ppl can benefit who are in my situation
 

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Is this thread for real? i downgraded my 9.2 XL to 4.5 following Gateway teams instructions just fine......... No problems here
Exactly. This is a pretty simple, straight forward operation. Leave it to some people make it more complicated than it needs to be and screw it all up.
 

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I just want to warn people against what Djoen said: EMUNAND IS NOT A VALID SYSNAND IMAGE SINCE 7.0

If you restore emunand to sysnand, you will end up with a bricked system. BE SMART

Wait wait, what does this mean?
I'm getting my gateway in a few days and I'm scared I might fuck things up since I haven't used the gateway at all.
 

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I just want to warn people against what Djoen said: EMUNAND IS NOT A VALID SYSNAND IMAGE SINCE 7.0

If you restore emunand to sysnand, you will end up with a bricked system. BE SMART

What's invalid?
I guess it's some sections like NATIVE_FIRM aren't really updated on emuNAND during system update from 4.x to 7.x?
 

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Exactly. This is a pretty simple, straight forward operation. Leave it to some people make it more complicated than it needs to be and screw it all up.

Well, this is not really a small problem what we are seeing here. About a year ago, GATEWAY released versions 2.01b or something like that, which ended up back firing them. In that version they added some sort of coding that would brick users of cloned cards, according to rumours...
Many people actually ended up with BSOD. I wrote a small thread about GATEWAY releasing BETA versions to lay man.

I sure hope that people are aware that this is a Public BETA, and are risking what ever the world has to offer of evil.
 

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I just want to warn people against what Djoen said: EMUNAND IS NOT A VALID SYSNAND IMAGE SINCE 7.0

If you restore emunand to sysnand, you will end up with a bricked system. BE SMART

OK. Wait a minute. If I format EmuNAND while on 9.2, then dump SysNAND on 9.2, copy both to my PC, and fc/b them, I get no differences encountered. So, at least in that case, it is a valid SysNAND dump. But what you're saying is, if the EmuNAND hadn't been formatted at that version, it would not have been a proper dump? Does it not perform the update properly or something? And would using UpdateCDN instead of doing an online update make a difference?

Needless to say your message is reaching me a bit late, because as a test, I did try restoring a 9.2 EmuNAND as NAND.BIN on a system that had never been beyond 4.5, and that did get me a brick. Well, that makes sense if it's not creating a proper NAND. Before that, I'd taken my Zelda unit that had actually been on 9.2 back and forth several times without issue (first time, I forgot to turn wifi off and got the update message, second time, I forgot to backup the 4.2 before using SMT4 to take it to 4.5). I've downgraded two other consoles without issue, so, the software seemed perfectly safe until this incident. Also, thanks to people who apparently weren't aware NANDs are system-locked, we know the restore feature won't restore a NAND from another system. Apparently there are some inconsistencies it can't check for though.

I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out what caused the brick. Since, I had crossed off the NAND dump being invalid, I was starting to think the brick had occurred because I unlinked. After all, once you've eliminated all other possibilities, whatever is left, however unlikely, is the solution. Looks like I crossed something off the list too quickly though. Well, it's been said that, in any equation, the statistic that is most obviously correct, beyond all need of checking, is the error. Apparently there's some truth to that.

This would also explain why people get bricks if they update in GW mode without EmuNAND present, if GW mode doesn't create a valid NAND. I would probably not have tried to update SysNAND with a ROM using a Gateway anyway, since I also own a Sky3DS. So, apparently Gateway mode assumes that it's working with EmuNAND when you update. Something tells me they're going to want to add a check for that. Still, I ran into no issues using ROM update to get the EmuNAND on a new system to 8.1, then using UpdateCDN to take it to 9.2. Not that it makes sense for me to keep 9.2 EmuNAND backups, being able to run Ninjhax from the Sky, but for the sake of completeness, before going to 9.4, I did. Anyway, I'm not seeing the problem the OP mentioned. Seems fine for updating EmuNAND.

Here's the thing, though. Someone with a hard mod that I asked to test using the restore feature with an EmuNAND dump was actually able to restore a 9.4 EmuNAND to SysNAND. So, with my 9.2 being from an update, and therefore created by 2.6, and a 9.4 EmuNAND obviously being created by 2.7 or later, is it possible they've fixed this issue in newer versions?

Looks like once I unbrick it this weekend, I'll have several tests to run. One thing's for sure, this restore option certainly takes the safety off the gun so to speak. Fortunately, soldering 4 wires isn't something I even break a sweat over.
 
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