RGHing a Xenon (because we can :P)

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  1. TeamScriptKiddies
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    Hey everyone, now before the flame war begins, I'm already aware of how horribly unreliable the Xenon motherboards are with the RGH. Taking anywhere from 10 mins-24hours when booting unsigned code (aka Xell). I'm also aware that you can't run a custom dashboard on a Xenon using RGH because of the instability (my guess is because the console has to be forced to reboot into the custom dash, which would require glitching it yet again which could take forever, in other words, start to fire up the console, wait for a successful glitch, then dashlaunch reboots it and you have to wait for it to glitch again trolololol). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's the reason why custom dash's can't be run on a Xenon via RGH.

    Anyways, me and my BF (that's right, I'm dating a guy, if you have a problem with that, you can take your bigotry elsewhere) are planning on RGHing my Xenon refurb (with a 12 volt fan mod, from gamestop.com, had no idea they did that, was shocked when I opened the console to flash the drive lmao, must've had RROD and/or some other overheating issues as most Xenon's are notorious for, so that's part of how they fixed it/put in preventative measures to avoid future problems). Anyways, I digress.

    So my BF has an Associate's in IT: Application's Option, and he was working on his Bachelor's in kind of generalized IT, but he's switching gears and wants to get into Computer Security. I'm going to school for Electronics Engineering so I figured this would be a perfect project for us to work on together.

    We would like to set up a dual NAND so we can run the retail dash (on the secondary nand) for playing games and Xell on the onboard NAND so we can boot into linux :). Linux will serve its purpose for running unsigned code and just using the 360 as a cheap PC :). No need for freestyle dash or any of that (which won't work anyways).

    So I have a few matrix glitcher's lying around that I tried to resell back in the day, but to no avail XD. Anyways, they don't have official support for xenon models (its v1 of the glitcher) but I found these custom timing files to make it compatible with Xenon's: http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?n...id=11047&ttitle=RGH_1.2_Xenon_pack_2015-05-02.

    Also I found this tutorial from Team Xecuter for pulling off the RGH on Xenon's, it says you can use it with a Coolrunner or Matrix Glitcher or most other glitch chips out there: http://team-xecuter.com/team-xecuters-xenon-reset-glitch-hack/

    FYI, I'm on the latest dashboard apparently 17349, but from what I've been reading, it looks like it shouldn't be an issue (correct me if I'm wrong though).

    So my questions are, has anyone here had any success actually RGHing a Xenon? Not JTAGing as we all know that is reliable. If anyone has had success doing this, were you able to boot into anything from Xell/Xell reloaded, such as Ubuntu/Mint/Gentoo/Debian for the 360 or any Xell compatible apps for that matter? How long on average (in your personal situation) does it usually take to glitch each time you boot into Xell? Are the excruciating boot times applicable to the retail dash as well or does it bypass the glitching process when you choose that NAND? Also in other's opinions, what is the best dual NAND solution for the Xenon? There are so many different one's out there. Now again, I know Xenon's are terribly unreliable for this, but I'd really like to try it anyways, as it would be a fun project for my BF and I to work on together over the summer and it would be quite educational.
     
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    And will there be a region free drivechip along with that? :P
     
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    Yes but it only works on tyhe 6th week of every month ;-) :-P.

    Seriously though, ias horribly unreliable as Xenon's are with the RGH, people have pulled it off. I'm just wondering if its possible to boot one of the linux distros for 360 from Xell on a Xenon RGH or if we're wasting our time.

    Even if we could get some Xell compatible emulators to run (if a full blown distro won't) that would be pretty neat
     
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    Good luck, If you pull it off then kudos.
    It's (except for das 14xxx) undoable.
    It'll RROD before booting it.

    Dual NAND for any phat except BB Jaspers is still the Cyngos or DemoN.

    Linux.. I think Gentoo was released for XeLL.
    Horrible outdated build tho.
     
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    So I want to make sure I understand you correctly, the RGH only works on dashboard 14xxx's and nothing else on the Xenon boards?

    If this is correct, has anyone figured out a way to successfully downgrade from the latest dash? I know the timing attack method was obliterated a LONG time ago, is there anything else out there?

    EDIT: looks like there is hope with this RGH 1.2 hack after all: straight from the original developer that made this version :), its running on a xenon with a higher dash :)

    EDIT 2: wiring diagram here: http://www.logic-sunrise.com/forums/topic/67622-xenon-zephyr-rgh-12-ttl-edition/
     
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    Pretty much undoable.
    RGH 1.2 and RJTOP etc (from the Russian hackers) might work, but don't count on stability.
    Even with that's it's a hit and miss.

    Nope, downgrading is impossible on a 360 due to eFuses being burned.
     
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    Okay, downgrading is out, I'm still willing to give RGH 1.2 a shot though. I mean, in the video I posted, he was even able to run a custom dash, but only time will tell :P. If that hack works as good as he claims it does, Xell and linux should be possible if he can run a custom dash. If I botch this console, its not the end of the world. I'll keep this thread updated with progress, if this blows up in my face, it will at least be good for a laugh XD :P.
     
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    Good luck lol!
    I'd like to see the outcome.
    I meself am not going to fuck around with Xenons/Zephyrs.
    RRoD boxes that are only good for small heaters imho.
     
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    Agreed, I owned two other Xenon's before this and they both RROD'd on me lmao. I've always wanted to run homebrew on a 360.

    As for the outdated linux build's a quick search on youtube, and you'll see there are also debian, ubuntu and lubuntu builds as well, again, still old as dirt, but if its possible to run the PPC version of Ubuntu 12.04lts on the Wii U in vWii mode, it should CERTAINLY run on a 360. I can't touch the Wii U anymore in terms of hacking since I'm now a licensed developer, but perhaps if I can get linux running on this 360, I can get a more modern, up to date build running on it.

    Looks like the Free60 project has mostly been abandoned (officially), which I imagine is the reason for such outdated builds (that and the need to start off with something really basic).

    If my bf and I can at least get something running we'll be happy :P. Let's not get ahead of ourselves though and just take baby steps lol, see if we can glitch this thing and get it to run Xell....
     
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    Please do update Gentoo for 360.
    I'd like to have a copy of it as well.

    Good luck with it tho.
    Homebrew on 360 is aside from a few emu's... non existand.
     
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    Yes, I'm aware of the sad state that 360 homebrew is in. Still want it though nevertheless :P. Most of the "homebrew" type stuff is related to backup loading (ie loading games from usb etc) which to me isn't homebrew. While I like being able to back up my own games as much as the next guy, I also like to be able to add functionality to my own devices and make them even better than before. Backup loading is a plus, but to me its completely separate from actual homebrew.

    Anyways, one thing that would really help spring some life into 360 homebrew would be if someone were to ever create another software based exploit (like the king kong hack), but I know expecting something like that is foolish. M$ has their console (360) locked down pretty d*** good now. Making homebrew easy on the 360 would probably cause the scene to flourish, but I don't see that happening sadly.

    Unless you're handy with a soldering iron yourself, know somebody who is, or are willing to send your xbox off to someone who will do it for a fee (not to mention, you could get scammed and never see your xbox again), you're not running any homebrew :(. Not unless you're lucky enough to still have the super old dashboard that the king kong hack requires XD. I think one's odd's of having one of those are close to the same odd's as winning the lottery at this point :P.

    It would be cool to see somewhat of a revival of the homebrew scene for the 360 if we can get some more modern distros of linux running on it. This might grab the attention of those who are already modded and those who have been on the fence about it for a while now. By no means would it flourish like some of the other consoles did, due to lack of user friendliness, but it might help boost the scene a bit and convince some to dust off their old 360's, get up to date and start homebrewing.....
     
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    Those are replacement dashes.
    360 Dashit, FSD, Aurora etc.

    The current hacks all rely on the bugged 4541 kernel, unless there's another signature check failure, there's no software based exploit ever happening.

    Main problem is XBLive.
    95% of the userbase only plays online multiplayer.
    The small percentage that does like homebrew is almost non existand.
     
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    ya that's what I figured lol.
     
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    Good luck!
     
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    Damn, hope it works out. I have a 360e console with a corona board on the latest dash.
    But as far as yours goes, from what I read it is possible but very slow. And just as someone else said prone to rrod.
    So, good luck to you my friend.
    And just to let you know it's 2015, nobody at this point should care one way or another who you spend your days in/out of bed with.
     
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    Thanks for your support! With the recent legalization of same sex marriage in all 50 states, this is even more so :). Its just the way I was born, I'm pansexual or "gender-blind." But anyways, I digress....

    As for the Xenon boards, yeah they are super unreliable, but supposedly this new RGH 1.2 method is pretty quick for booting even on the Xenon's. I mean, there's only one way to find out for sure :P. If this thing RROD's I'll see if I can revive it :P, if not, its not a big loss, the old phat models are dirt cheap now (for obvious reasons :P).
     
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    Permanent RROD fix is a reball.
    Reflowing does more damage then good.
     
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    Okay thanks for the tip, and if all else fails, the nearest facility that recycles electronics works too hahahaha. I ordered the Xecuter Demon today, now we wait :P
     
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    Nah, keep it as a portable heater.