RGB on old consoles for hdtvs?

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Dec 29, 2012
  1. J-Machine
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    Currently I have composite and s-video for all my retro systems hooked up to a floor model CRT. It looks great but the tv is in the living room and technically isn't mine to begin with. currently in my room I have a 19" crt with mono sound on the floor that used to be my main gaming tv (even had the ps3 hooked upto it sigh...) but now I have a 32" lcd and quite frankly, the old systems don't look to hot on it.

    I remember hearing somewhere you can use SCART and marry it to a component RGB connection for just about every system but the original nes to get the best possible picture out of them. I was hoping someone could steer me in the right direction (links to buy products) to help me out in getting a credible retro gaming experience on an hdtv.

    so far I found these two cables from play asia for the snes/n64 and the ps1. are they any good?
    http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-kj-49-en-70-64.html snes
    http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-f-49-en-70-7f.html psone

    what I need to find now is the SCART cable for the genesis 2, a 3 way SCART splitter with the ability to output sound via RCA cables, and a SCART to RGB component converter. any and all suggestions will be more than welcome.

    TLDR: want to marry SCART on retro consoles to a component RGB so I can play on LCD HDTV.
     
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    Also would a cable like this work better than a converter box and eliminate the need for a splitter that allows audio to come from RCA cables that is built into said splitter?
    http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1-5m-SCART-t...ers&hash=item3f1ff882ad&_uhb=1#ht_6213wt_1189

    The only converter box can seem to find is this one on ebay:
    http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SEGA-SCART-t...ers&hash=item564f2d3151&_uhb=1#ht_1334wt_1189

    There is also this connector but I am unsure of how well something like this would work and I would still need a splitter that allows for seperate audio outputs.
    http://www.ebay.ca/itm/RGB-SCART-to...ters&hash=item336ab66db8&_uhb=1#ht_2323wt_956

    as far as the splitter this is the best I can find right now and would mean I would have to use the cable from the first link in this post.:
    http://www.ebay.ca/itm/3-Way-Scart-...ers&hash=item53f0702e77&_uhb=1#ht_2870wt_1089

    found this switcher from tesco. they don't deliver internationaly but it seems to be exactly what I would need. anyone know where to get this somewhere else?
    http://www.tesco.com/direct/scart-switcher-3-way-technika/202-9156.prd?skuId=202-9156

    I realy wish it was easier to find this stuff from canadian/american sites.
     
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    1st item won't work. That does not change the signal type. Some devices will output YPbPr over the rgb pins of a scart lead, the older consoles do not or it's for a device that takes an RGB input via RCA connectors.

    3rd box is again much the same as the first. For devices that can output YPbPr over the rgb pins and simply need the the connector type changed.

    You need the 2nd box or something similar (XRGB and others I can't remember).

    That splitter in the 4th link is crap. Devices like that with no switching, always have interference.

    Now onto the cables.

    N64 doesn't do RGB without modification & even then only the early models can easily be modified, http://www.mmmonkey.co.uk/ntsc-nintendo-64-rgb/. Later models need to have a replacement RGB dac built http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/n64rgb/n64rgb.html.

    The cables, ps1/ps2 one should be fine. Snes/gamecube/n64. Should be fine, if wired correctly. PAL and NTSC snes scart leads are wired differently. PAL Gamecube is wired in same way as NTSC snes, so as they say it's for Gamecube, it should be fine (only pal cube does RGB scart). It's only a couple of components anyway (capacitors and maybe a resistor, can't remember), so even if was wired for pal snes, you can easily fix.

    Most places just sell the same cheap cables these days anyway.

    Genesis cable

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sega-Mega...s_VideoGameAccessories_JN&hash=item1c1c506b9d

    You'll have more luck finding Genesis scart stuff, if you search Megadrive. It was only called Genesis in the US/Canada.

    Switchbox

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-WAY-SCA...ion_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item2c5eeaa8bc

    Switchable input and has a breakout for left and right audio. Should work, but can always message the shop first to check.

    If you want any decent selection, your going to have order internationally. For some reason only Europe had the sense to make RGB a standard through a standard connector, so it's just not common elsewhere.
     
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    Thanks for the recommendations. it's a shame I need to go international as I was hoping not to spend more on shipping than I would for the actual product but as long as I can get this list under $100 bucks I'll be happy. I'm going to ask the seller of that switcher if he can ship internationally as it seems my list is complete and looking far cheaper than I was expecting.

    would you happen to know about s-video for the genisis 2 and snes? I have a switcher that uses it in the living room but the only thing that is connected that way is the ps1.
     
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    I completely forgot I'm gonna need a RGB compatable Scart cable. From what I've read it needs to be a 21 pin connected cable but I don't know if I have to get a japanese one or what kinda price/quality I'm looking for. I'm assuming due to all the cables I'm using something short and shielded would be best but the best I've found is this (http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200758406767#ht_1375wt_1189) but I can't tel if it's what I need and if gold plating would be necessaries at such a small size.

    so far my setup has costed me $132.02 so I've already blown the budget. I pretty much just want something that'll work or even beter something that will work well enough to not need replacing.
     
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    If you mean from going from the switch box to the component convertor, then it will definitely be wired in the Euro configuration at the switch box end, the component convertor says scart, so I would assume that is as well. Connector is physically the same, so even if you got it (convertor) and it turned out to be RGB21 and not Scart, you can just rewire one end. You don't need to solder, the pins can just be pushed out and swapped around.

    That cable, should be fine, but I would check with them that is RGB. There are plenty of dodgy 21pin cables around that simply don't have them all hooked up. As for shielded and gold plated, I wouldn't bother. Setup is only as good as it's weakest link, and you have generic ps1 cable, Genesis cable, Snes cable & a basic switching box. Any interference is likely to be picked up there and not in the short run between the box and component convertor.
     
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    ya as long as everything works I wont care about a little interference untill I can afford a better switcher. I just simply want this to work to prove the concept and see if I can make a side business out of making retro consoles work on hdtv's and projectors.
     

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