Reparation discussions will make it easy for Trump in 2020

[Doran754]

The issue seems pretty straight forward to me, If you're currently a slave, you're entitled to reparations. If you're currently a slave owner, you should be paying reparations. Sorted.

 

[chrisrlink]

The issue seems pretty straight forward to me, If you're currently a slave, you're entitled to reparations. If you're currently a slave owner, you should be paying reparations. Sorted.

then maybe you can tell that to the government, mainly for ww2/vietnam as in meaning the draft which in my eyes is a form of slavery because your forced into war despite your objections

 

[Hanafuda]

then maybe you can tell that to the government, mainly for ww2/vietnam as in meaning the draft which in my eyes is a form of slavery because your forced into war despite your objections

You don't have to go if you REALLY don't want to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objection_in_the_United_States


Also, you left out Korea.


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First I should distinguish between the three types as it pertains to ethnic groups of people that come under discussion.

1) American Indians/Native Americans. Not a single ethnicity and more a tribe by tribe/nation by nation basis but I will lump it all together as most laws do.
2) Japanese internment camp victims.
3) Descendants of slaves.

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Each of those peoples got a shitty deal at some point, but they're not the only ones. For example, Chinese who worked at building the railroads in the West. They were absolutely 2nd class citizens, but they persevered. Italians, Irish, Polish, Germans who were transported directly from the boat that brought them across the Atlantic to coal mining jobs in Appalachia where they were paid in company 'scrip' money instead of US currency. If they left, that 'scrip' was worthless anywhere else and they would be penniless. They had to live in the company town, rent a company house (shack), buy all their clothing and food from the company store. They lived as captive property, and this went on for decades. Their descendants are still mining coal and living in an economically depressed shithole. Anyone talking about reparations for them for having to live like that that while NYC built itself into a city of skyscrapers on the coal they mined? Nope. And if a reparations law passed, the ultimate irony is they'd be taxed for it.

 

[chrisrlink]

You don't have to go if you REALLY don't want to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objection_in_the_United_States


Also, you left out Korea.


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Each of those peoples got a shitty deal at some point, but they're not the only ones. For example, Chinese who worked at building the railroads in the West. They were absolutely 2nd class citizens, but they persevered. Italians, Irish, Polish, Germans who were transported directly from the boat that brought them across the Atlantic to coal mining jobs in Appalachia where they were paid in company 'scrip' money instead of US currency. If they left, that 'scrip' was worthless anywhere else and they would be penniless. They had to live in the company town, rent a company house (shack), buy all their clothing and food from the company store. They lived as captive property, and this went on for decades. Their descendants are still mining coal and living in an economically depressed shithole. Anyone talking about reparations for them for having to live like that that while NYC built itself into a city of skyscrapers on the coal they mined? Nope. And if a reparations law passed, the ultimate irony is they'd be taxed for it.

though i wonder if those against nam who draft dodged some charged with treason exercised that right (even on religious grounds) were denied exclusion from the draft and thus forced to flee to Canada....also i believe trump should've never should've became #45 because he faked an injury to draft dodge that in itself should've excluded anyone from becoming president because it shows moral weakness

 

[FAST6191]

Each of those peoples got a shitty deal at some point, but they're not the only ones. For example, Chinese who worked at building the railroads in the West. They were absolutely 2nd class citizens, but they persevered. Italians, Irish, Polish, Germans who were transported directly from the boat that brought them across the Atlantic to coal mining jobs in Appalachia where they were paid in company 'scrip' money instead of US currency. If they left, that 'scrip' was worthless anywhere else and they would be penniless. They had to live in the company town, rent a company house (shack), buy all their clothing and food from the company store. They lived as captive property, and this went on for decades. Their descendants are still mining coal and living in an economically depressed shithole. Anyone talking about reparations for them for having to live like that that while NYC built itself into a city of skyscrapers on the coal they mined? Nope. And if a reparations law passed, the ultimate irony is they'd be taxed for it.

Yeah I was going to go there next but was already wandering off topic, and those were the main ones getting any kind of traction/mindshare. Plenty of people have some kind of historical injustice and trying to sort that out to assign some kind of monetary value to it would be insane, and likely impossible.

To that end all that can really be done from where I sit is document the history (doomed to repeat and all that), and attempt to improve the living conditions for people at large now, which is what I reckon governments should be doing anyway (not a fan of the truly minimalist government approaches as a general rule -- properly executed* a bit of help goes a long way and pays off mightily in the long run).

*whether they will properly execute something is probably a different discussion. Instead I see the appearance of doing something (see also war on drugs, no child left behind, abstinence only and any number of other options) is too often the favoured approach... which pretty much sums up the reparations stuff here.

 

[Viri]

So,erm...is this reparation thing really a thing, or just one question that gets thrown around under the 'look what our opponents care about lololol' ?

The second one. They're pandering to their base. I know a lot of what a politician says or does is pandering, but this is like hard core pandering. Any politician that tries to use reparations to get into the White House, are going to lose pretty hard in 2020.

Note that my families did not come to the USA until after slavery was ended. Looks like those rice crispy treats are all for me.

My ancestors were too busy starving to death in Ireland, and getting oppressed by the Russian empire.

 

[Waygeek]

Seems like a fairly solid take from where I sit. If your would be candidates get side tracked talking about things few people would support, or indeed find the notion of to be offensive, and thus can't present a coherent and likeable candidate then in the confusion the opposition will take the easy win resulting from that.

'If'. But it's not the case.

 

[FAST6191]

'If'. But it's not the case.

Were they not discussing the patently absurd notion (one I would put on par with that wall lark) during a late stage debate to decide which person gets to run?

 

[leon315]

he might leak that information.

IF ur FBI can't even trust ur own president, the who can you trust?

BTW if FBI can have enough of evidence to prove Trump leaks top secret operation to any hostile country, can it be already considered Treason?

 

[Waygeek]

Were they not discussing the patently absurd notion (one I would put on par with that wall lark) during a late stage debate to decide which person gets to run?

You're going to have to rephrase your post in such a way that it is understandable by native English speakers I'm afraid.

 

[FAST6191]

You're going to have to rephrase your post in such a way that it is understandable by native English speakers I'm afraid.

I have been known to make a dense sentence or two but that was fine by all the metrics I normally use.

Still.

You say they were not discussing it. It being the fucking dumb cunt batshit insane idea of reparations for slavery from a current US government.
I say do we not have evidence of it being a discussion topic? Said discussion also happening to fall during a fairly late stage political debate from the only other viable competitor party for the US president?