Hacking [Release] rxTools - Roxas75 3DS Toolkit [fw 2.0 - 9.2]

[Madridi]

The last proper release was during the @Roxas75 era (6/29/15) and the last beta release was over two months ago (2/10/16). While those two dates may make it sound like that hasn't been that long of a time, just look at how far ahead AuReiNand has gotten in only three/four months.

Which doesn't contradict anything I said.. You can call it outdated and whatever, but certainly not dead if there there is official word from one of the dev that he is still working on it (though not at the moment)

It's dead from user perspective, cause they are getting frequent updates for the likes of Aureinand. But it's not dead as a project, and can't be speculated as such since we have official word that it isn't. That's all there is to it really

 

[hobbledehoy899]

It's dead from user perspective, cause they are getting frequent updates for the likes of Aureinand.

To me it's not about how frequently a piece of software is updated that makes it dead, it's about how usable it is compared to other pieces of its type after it has been abandoned.

But it's not dead as a project, and can't be speculated as such since we have official word that it isn't.

Throughout history there has been many great projects that "died" without any warning or further notice, and it is unfortunate, but that it's a factor of life that has been carried on into the modern computerized age should be taken with no surprise.

 

[The Catboy]

Which doesn't contradict anything I said.. You can call it outdated and whatever, but certainly not dead if there there is official word from one of the dev that he is still working on it (though not at the moment)

It's dead from user perspective, cause they are getting frequent updates for the likes of Aureinand. But it's not dead as a project, and can't be speculated as such since we have official word that it isn't. That's all there is to it really

There still seems to be some life in this project, but as of right now it's way too grossly out of date to be recommended. There's still no proper A9LH support, no sysNAND protection, and we really haven't seen any real release in months.
There's just no reason to keep clinging to this project, when there's just better alternatives. I can use this and cling to old tech like MenuHAX and emuNAND or I can be current and use AuReiNAND/ReiNAND/CakesFW/Mizuki, with A9LH and CFW SysNAND.
I'd love to see this project come back to life, but at this point, I am not holding my breath. RXTools is starting to remind me a lot of the pre-Wood R4 days.

But you can't say it's dead when there is an official statement saying otherwise at the moment.

The M3 Team told us that they were going to update their card. It's been like 5 years now since they made an official announcement that they were going to update Sakura. My point is, just because there's an official statement, doesn't mean anything.

 

[Madridi]

To me it's not about how frequently a piece of software is updated that makes it dead, it's about how usable it is compared to other pieces of its type after it has been abandoned.Throughout history there has been many great projects that "died" without any warning or further notice, and it is unfortunate, but that it's a factor of life that has been carried on into the modern computerized age should be taken with no surprise.

In terms of usability, it's useable. It's the bells and whistles in other cfw that makes us feel like it's outdated.

As for "dying projects without warning" fair statement, but again it does not apply to this case because it's not like we haven't heard anything about it to speculate that it's dead. We have official word from one of the devs that it is not dead.

I do think it will die (though I hope not.. Can't see the logic in removing the tools only to kill it right after). But we - as users - can't declare it dead just because it feels like it. We are basing it on lack of update and activity while forgetting the devs work in their own time. They aren't bound to a certain timeline. It's just disrespectful to anyone working on it to say it's dead just because other projects are miles ahead as of now.

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There still seems to be some life in this project, but as of right now it's way too grossly out of date to be recommended. There's still no proper A9LH support, no sysNAND protection, and we really haven't seen any real release in months.
There's just no reason to keep clinging to this project, when there's just better alternatives. I can use this and cling to old tech like MenuHAX and emuNAND or I can be current and use AuReiNAND/ReiNAND/CakesFW/Mizuki, with A9LH and CFW SysNAND.
I'd love to see this project come back to life, but at this point, I am not holding my breath. RXTools is starting to remind me a lot of the pre-Wood R4 days.

Oh I never said anything to contradict that. All what you said is true at the current moment. It is outdated. It does lack features, and is definitely not recommended to use at the moment. What I am talking about is just pushing around the term "dead" just because of the above. The way I see it, it's disrespectful.

The M3 Team told us that they were going to update their card. It's been like 5 years now since they made an official announcement that they were going to update Sakura. My point is, just because there's an official statement, doesn't mean anything.

True, but the case are nowhere close to each other:
- The statement was relatively recent (A month ago or something)
- @AlbertoSONIC kept us relatively updated on the status. I have faith that if something drastic would happen to it, he would come out and say it. No one owes us anything after all.
- Teams like M3 or Gateway and any flashcart teams are looking for money. If they change their direction to a negative one, do you honestly believe they'll outright come out and say "oh hey we abandoned this product"? The more sales they make, the happier they are. I don't think you can count them in the same league as HB/cfw devs in forums and such where they interact with users.

I realize the above might've just been a bad example, and the main idea still somewhat holds. But I don't believe it's the case for projects that are as big as rxTools once was.

 

[ewin00]

well atleast it still work flawlessly with the latest emunand and yeah boot rate is fine for me (much better than palatine cfw) glad of that

 

[The Catboy]

In terms of usability, it's useable. It's the bells and whistles in other cfw that makes us feel like it's outdated.

As for "dying projects without warning" fair statement, but again it does not apply to this case because it's not like we haven't heard anything about it to speculate that it's dead. We have official word from one of the devs that it is not dead.

I do think it will die (though I hope not.. Can't see the logic in removing the tools only to kill it right after). But we - as users - can't declare it dead just because it feels like it. We are basing it on lack of update and activity while forgetting the devs work in their own time. They aren't bound to a certain timeline. It's just disrespectful to anyone working on it to say it's dead just because other projects are miles ahead as of now.

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Oh I never said anything to contradict that. All what you said is true at the current moment. It is outdated. It does lack features, and is definitely not recommended to use at the moment. What I am talking about is just pushing around the term "dead" just because of the above. The way I see it, it's disrespectful.

True, but the case are nowhere close to each other:
- The statement was relatively recent (A month ago or something)
- @AlbertoSONIC kept us relatively updated on the status. I have faith that if something drastic would happen to it, he would come out and say it. No one owes us anything after all.
- Teams like M3 or Gateway and any flashcart teams are looking for money. If they change their direction to a negative one, do you honestly believe they'll outright come out and say "oh hey we abandoned this product"? The more sales they make, the happier they are. I don't think you can count them in the same league as HB/cfw devs in forums and such where they interact with users.

I realize the above might've just been a bad example, and the main idea still somewhat holds. But I don't believe it's the case for projects that are as big as rxTools once was.

But where is the proof that this project is still alive? One person gave us their word that they were still working on it? Great, but we still haven't seen a single release in mouths, Twitter page has gone dead, there's been nothing to convince us that the project is still going.
And the M3 was just one of many who promised updates and never delivered. I've been around long enough to safely say, when a project goes quiet for 2 mouths, you should start worrying.
To be honest, calling RXtools dead might actually help it. Right now it seems like the thing hindering the project the most, is holdouts waiting for an update. RXTools already once declared itself dead, then like a week later another team took up the project. With the popularity of RXtools, there's no away anyone would allow it to die again.

 

[hobbledehoy899]

there's no away anyone would allow it to die again.

You're sure about that?

 

[The Catboy]

You're sure about that?

80% sure. RXTools is to 3DS as R4 was to the DS. Even after it died, people tried everything to keep it alive. From YSMenu to R4 Patches, finally ending on the amazing project that was Wood R4. RXTools has that level of popularity and if they officially declared it dead, there is bound to be someone to pick up the project.

 

[noctis90210]

lets accept that its already dead...

even it is alive, what other features are you xpecting that aureinand doesnt have? none...
if they build rxcfw, it will just contain same features like aureinand,
the difference will only the brand name of cfw...
nothing special to wait for their release...
and
at this moment...
aureinand is already far ahead in terms of features...

 

[hobbledehoy899]

80% sure. RXTools is to 3DS as R4 was to the DS. Even after it died, people tried everything to keep it alive. From YSMenu to R4 Patches, finally ending on the amazing project that was Wood R4. RXTools has that level of popularity and if they officially declared it dead, there is bound to be someone to pick up the project.

I don't see why you're comparing paid-for hardware to free-software because people inherently care more about hardware than software and rxTools had already been replaced nearly a month before it died.

 

[The Catboy]

I don't see why you're comparing paid-for hardware to free-software because people inherently care more about hardware than software and rxTools had already been replaced nearly a month before it died.

The comparison went right over your head. It's about community drive. RXTools is the new "R4," in that there's a large community around it. RXTools was one of the most popular CFW's for the 3DS, much like the R4 was the most popular DS Flashcart. And even after the R4 died, there was still a massive community push to keep it alive. It's this community drive that I am seeing with RXTools, the drive to keep clinging to the idea that it's alive despite being shown otherwise. And it's that drive that I can see bring it back to life if they officially call it dead.

 

[Flame]

The M3 Team told us that they were going to update their card. It's been like 5 years now since they made an official announcement that they were going to update Sakura. My point is, just because there's an official statement, doesn't mean anything.

lol Crystal i remember you and me was all ways in the M3 section, begging and hoping that one last update for Sakura...


FUCKING M3

 

[hobbledehoy899]

The comparison went right over your head. It's about community drive. RXTools is the new "R4," in that there's a large community around it. RXTools was one of the most popular CFW's for the 3DS, much like the R4 was the most popular DS Flashcart. And even after the R4 died, there was still a massive community push to keep it alive. It's this community drive that I am seeing with RXTools, the drive to keep clinging to the idea that it's alive despite being shown otherwise. And it's that drive that I can see bring it back to life if they officially call it dead.

No, your comparison didn't fly over my head, it's just that the R4 was worth keeping alive and rxTools just isn't.
Why do you think people would spend the time to revive a software brand that has been dead for months (rxTools) when something with better performance on doing the same exact actions (AuReiNand) already exists?

 

[The Catboy]

No, your comparison didn't fly over my head, it's just that the R4 was worth keeping alive and rxTools just isn't.
Why do you think people would spend the time to revive a software brand that has been dead for months (rxTools) when something with better performance on doing the same exact actions (AuReiNand) already exists?

Because it's popular. RXtools died once before and another team quickly picked it back up.
Hell, just look at this thread, RXTools has been dead for months now and people are still waiting for an update. There are still people holding onto MenuHAX, just to keep using RXtools. Do you really think something this popular is going to be allowed to die? These are people being presented with plenty of better options, yet they still choose RXTools. The proof that RXTools would be picked back up by another team is right in this thread. I've been on GBATemp for years now, I've seen these kinds of things happen quite a lot over the years. I find it highly unlikely that this community will allow this to die off, when they can't even accept that it's dead already.

lol Crystal i remember you and me was all ways in the M3 section, begging and hoping that one last update for Sakura...


FUCKING M3

It's been 5 fucking years and I am still bitter! It would have been nice if they released their fucking source code! I would have more than willingly taken up Sakura!

 

[hobbledehoy899]

Because it's popular.

The M3 was popular.

RXtools died once before and another team quickly picked it back up.

That's beause rxTools was still relevant as the go-to O3DS CFW at that time.

Hell, just look at this thread, RXTools has been dead for months now and people are still waiting for an update.

At least the people partisapaiting in the Gatewait have something to look forwared to...

There are still people holding onto MenuHAX, just to keep using RXtools.

Why? AuReiNand is perfactly usable with menuhax.

Do you really think something this popular is going to be allowed to die?

Again, the M3 comes to mind.

These are people being presented with plenty of better options, yet they still choose RXTools.

I can only assume it's because of some sort of emotional attachment to the CFW, almost as if they're expirancing a sort of electronic Stockholm perpetually washing over them.

The proof that RXTools would be picked back up by another team is right in this thread. I've been on GBATemp for years now, I've seen these kinds of things happen quite a lot over the years.

It has already gone through that process of shifting hands once, I don't think it'll live to see the next pair.

I find it highly unlikely that this community will allow this to die off, when they can't even accept that it's dead already.

There are five stages of grief, acceptance is the last one.

 

[Madridi]

But where is the proof that this project is still alive? One person gave us their word that they were still working on it? Great, but we still haven't seen a single release in mouths, Twitter page has gone dead, there's been nothing to convince us that the project is still going.
And the M3 was just one of many who promised updates and never delivered. I've been around long enough to safely say, when a project goes quiet for 2 mouths, you should start worrying.
To be honest, calling RXtools dead might actually help it. Right now it seems like the thing hindering the project the most, is holdouts waiting for an update. RXTools already once declared itself dead, then like a week later another team took up the project. With the popularity of RXtools, there's no away anyone would allow it to die again.

You're missing the point, and I'm not trying to start a flame war here. But no one needs to give you any proof whatsoever. No one owes you anything. The dev is basically the owner of the project and he officially said it's not dead (in his own words). Who are "you" to say that it's dead? a user? No one cares about "you"

Don't take this the wrong way. It's not directed to you. It's a general "you". Either way, the point is you have no say in the matter. What you choose to believe is up to you, but you have no right declaring dead or anything in that matter if you're not affiliated with it.

In any case, that's my last response to the matter. So much disrespect, some sense of entitlement, and even some misconception about some stuff.

I'd just like to stress once more Crystal that the above isn't directed to you personally. So don't take any offense to it

 

[The Catboy]

retracted

 

[ccfman2004]

I believe that @AlbertoSONIC still goes to school so his studies take priority. This was true for most of the other developers of rxTools too.

 

[noctis90210]

but then, devs of aureinand also have their personal life, yet, they provide frequent updates...

 

[Margen67]

but then, devs of aureinand also have their personal life, yet, they provide frequent updates...

There's no way of knowing for sure.
There's also tons of other things, including if they want to update rx or not.

Regardless it doesn't matter since there's better alternatives to rx now.
It's pointless to keep using rx.