I tried using the toolset listed here http://www.maxconsole.com/maxcon_forums/threads/285574-3DS-To-CIA-Converter-v4-0?s=b016ca4f937698ac5b6270615d69ac58 and also the one on this forum/queno one. But the one listed here expects encrypted with xorpads, and I also tried manually running makerom myself with sdk version of 4.0, both of the games were 4.0 or lower.bit trip saga was 2.1(originally) so I don' know why it's doing this. it boots, then shows nintendo logo and then crashes. P.S. I'm using the rxtools with sigs patched(the one that suports gba/dsi). I should also say I am using emunand and tried to use bbb title manager to do the installing. I would like to make y own cias that way I can store the raw files compressed on my externals and save more space.