Hacking Random crashing in Wii games - tried everything!

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Hi all

Getting random crashes in Wii games I can't get to the bottom of. This is with USB Loader GX.

I've tried reinstalling all my cIOSs, using D2X beta 52 and alt 53, also tried using Hermes 222, tried running off both a USB hard drive and an SD card with the hard drive unplugged, different games, different dumps, I had a third party Nunchuk causing crashes in HBC and an official one has cured that but not the crashing in games, I've tried the wacky thing about deleting the internet settings I am at a loose end, can anyone think of anything I've missed? All the above give exactly the same results, random crashing after 2-20 minutes with no rhyme or reason

The one thing I do still have connected to it other than an SD card and official wiimote and nunchuck is a modchip, I can't remember which one but have they been known to affect stability at all?
 
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Greetings!

First of a Syscheck report would be nice as it shows the info of all your IOS:es and such.

On idea that struck me is what happens if you run a game that's on a disc, will it crash aswell or will it work as intended? Perhaps even a burnt disc would be quite intresting since the modchip is needed for that and if there is something wrong with it the burnt game would crash aswell? Well that's somethings I think of but I don't really know.
But if the games run perfectly from discs that would perhaps narrow it down to either being something wrong with the cIOS:es, Usb drive or sd card.
 
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Litle_Bird said:
Greetings

First of a Syscheck report would be nice as it shows the info of all your IOS:es and such.

On idea that struck me is what happens if you run a game that's on a disc, will it crash aswell or will it work as intended? Perhaps even a burnt disc would be quite intresting since the modchip is needed for that and if there is something wrong with it the burnt game would crash aswell? Well that's somethings I think of but I don't really know.
But if the games run perfectly from discs that would perhaps narrow it down to either being something wrong with the cIOS:es, Usb drive or sd card.
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I've attached the syscheck to this post.

I've run plenty of disc games on it backup and original over the years and it's been fine but not since I hacked it recently. However I was also using a third party Wiimote and nunchuk that whole time which gave no problens until I tried to run homebrew on it and everything started crashing. I could have put money on my third party Nunchuk causing it as I thought i'd ruled everything else out, a genuine one cured the crashing homebrew but not in Wii games :(

I'm absolutely stuck, the possibilities at this point are that all the cIOSs I've tried have been faulty, that it doesn't like the hard drive or SD card I'm using giving identical crashes with each, that all the games I've downloaded have been bad or that the console itself is faulty...
 

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Would you like to post the syscheck in a spoiler? I'm not trying to be rude it's just that I'm generally sceptical about downloading files from random scources. :)

So If I get it right you have trouble playing discs now aswell? That's kinda odd... Hopefully the sysCheck can tell us something more :)
 
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Yep no problem one minute...

No I mean I haven't tried any disc based games since I hacked it but it always worked fine before that, I have been playing backup DVDs on it for years without a hitch

Thanks for your help btw I am so lost with this now! So frustrating trying something new and it lasting half an hour and I think I've fixed it then it bloody crashes again!

I'm trying out more different dumps of the same games now just to completely rule it out. I'd love to just take the modchip out as I don't need it any more (well not if I get this working) but can't find my tri wing and the new ones not arrived yet! argh lol

sysCheck v1.6.2 by Erik Spyder
Region: PAL
The system menu v514 is running under IOS58 (rev 6176)
Hollywood v0x11
Console ID: 45578365
Boot2 v4
Found 68 titles
Found 35 IOS on this console
Found 12 IOS Stubs on this console
IOS (revision) IOS Stub Trucha Bug ES Identify Flash Access NAND Access Boot2 Access USB 2.0
IOS4 (rev 65280) Yes ? ? ? ? ? ?
IOS9 (rev 1034) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS10 (rev 768) Yes ? ? ? ? ? ?
IOS11 (rev 256) Yes ? ? ? ? ? ?
IOS12 (rev 526) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS13 (rev 1032) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS14 (rev 1032) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS15 (rev 1032) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS16 (rev 512) Yes ? ? ? ? ? ?
IOS17 (rev 1032) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS20 (rev 256) Yes ? ? ? ? ? ?
IOS21 (rev 1039) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS22 (rev 1294) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS28 (rev 1807) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS30 (rev 2816) Yes ? ? ? ? ? ?
IOS31 (rev 3608) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS33 (rev 3608) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS34 (rev 3608) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS35 (rev 3608) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS36 (rev 3608) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS37 (rev 5663) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS38 (rev 4124) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS40 (rev 3072) Yes ? ? ? ? ? ?
IOS41 (rev 3607) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS43 (rev 3607) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS45 (rev 3607) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS46 (rev 3607) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS48 (rev 4124) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS50 (rev 5120) Yes ? ? ? ? ? ?
IOS51 (rev 4864) Yes ? ? ? ? ? ?
IOS52 (rev 5888) Yes ? ? ? ? ? ?
IOS53 (rev 5663) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS55 (rev 5663) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS56 (rev 5662) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS57 (rev 5919) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS58 (rev 6176) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS60 (rev 6400) Yes ? ? ? ? ? ?
IOS61 (rev 5662) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS62 (rev 6430) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS70 (rev 6912) Yes ? ? ? ? ? ?
IOS80 (rev 6944) No Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled Disabled
IOS202 (rev 65535) No Enabled Disabled Disabled Enabled Disabled Enabled
IOS222 (rev 65535) No Enabled Enabled Disabled Enabled Disabled Enabled
IOS223 (rev 65535) No Enabled Disabled Disabled Enabled Disabled Enabled
IOS224 (rev 65535) No Enabled Disabled Disabled Enabled Disabled Enabled
IOS249 (rev 65535) No Enabled Disabled Disabled Enabled Disabled Enabled
IOS250 (rev 65535) No Enabled Disabled Disabled Enabled Disabled Enabled
Report generated on 2017/01/10
 
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That report looks very wierd to me.. comparable to what I've got
Region: PAL
System Menu 4.3E (v514)
Priiloader installed
Drive date: 02.13.2007
Homebrew Channel 1.1.2 running on IOS61

Hollywood v0x11
Console ID:
Console Type: Wii
Shop Channel Country:
Boot2 v4
Found 77 titles.
Found 40 IOS on this console. 11 of them are stubs.

IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): No Patches
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
IOS11 (rev 256): Stub
IOS12 (rev 526): No Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS16 (rev 512): Stub
IOS17 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS20 (rev 256): Stub
IOS21 (rev 1039): No Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): No Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): No Patches
IOS30 (rev 2816): Stub
IOS31 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS36 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS37 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS50 (rev 5120): Stub
IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub
IOS52 (rev 5888): Stub
IOS53 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): No Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 6400): Stub
IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS62 (rev 6430): No Patches
IOS70 (rev 6912): Stub
IOS80 (rev 6944): No Patches
IOS236 (rev 54321): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access, Beer Ticket
IOS249[56] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta53-alt): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta53-alt): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
BC v6
MIOS v8
Report generated on 01/02/2017.

However I find one thing very strange, It seems your system menu is running under IOS 58 which it shouldn't, it should be IOS 80 for System menu 4.3.
Don't try anything yet though. Important, do you have bootmii as boot2 installed? And could you perhaps run another sysCheck but with this app?
https://gbatemp.net/threads/syscheck-hacksden-edition.356133/
 
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Litle_Bird said:
That report looks very wierd to me.. comparable to what I've got
Region: PAL
System Menu 4.3E (v514)
Priiloader installed
Drive date: 02.13.2007
Homebrew Channel 1.1.2 running on IOS61

Hollywood v0x11
Console ID:
Console Type: Wii
Shop Channel Country:
Boot2 v4
Found 77 titles.
Found 40 IOS on this console. 11 of them are stubs.

IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): No Patches
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
IOS11 (rev 256): Stub
IOS12 (rev 526): No Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS16 (rev 512): Stub
IOS17 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS20 (rev 256): Stub
IOS21 (rev 1039): No Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): No Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): No Patches
IOS30 (rev 2816): Stub
IOS31 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS36 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS37 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS50 (rev 5120): Stub
IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub
IOS52 (rev 5888): Stub
IOS53 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): No Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 6400): Stub
IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS62 (rev 6430): No Patches
IOS70 (rev 6912): Stub
IOS80 (rev 6944): No Patches
IOS236 (rev 54321): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access, Beer Ticket
IOS249[56] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta53-alt): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta53-alt): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
BC v6
MIOS v8
Report generated on 01/02/2017.

However I find one thing very strange, It seems your system menu is running under IOS 58 which it shouldn't, it should be IOS 80 for System menu 4.3.
Don't try anything yet though. Important, do you have bootmii as boot2 installed? And could you perhaps run another sysCheck but with this app?
https://gbatemp.net/threads/syscheck-hacksden-edition.356133/
Click to expand...

OK thanks I'll have to give that a go tomorrow now with the software you provided.

I do have bootmii installed as boot2.
 
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OK thanks I'll have to give that a go tomorrow now with the software you provided.

I do have bootmii installed as boot2.
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That's very good that you're lucky to have bootmii boot2, as it allows more effective methodes to be used!
Just to be on the safe side, you also have a nandbackup right?
 
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Tried some more different dumps, still the same problem.

Could it be the SD card it doesn't like causing the crashing? I've heard of bad hard drives causing crashes when they're not even being used. The SD card is about the only variable I haven't changed apart from the console itself.

Only other thing I could do is restore my NAND backup and redo everything again.

My bad guys I googled it and thought I had the latest version of it. We'll try this again:

SysCheck HDE v2.4.0 HacksDen Edition by JoostinOnline Double_A R2-D2199 and Nano
...runs on IOS58 (rev 6176).
Region: PAL
System Menu 4.3E (v514)
Priiloader installed
Drive date: 09.07.2006
Homebrew Channel 1.1.2 running on IOS58
Hollywood v0x11
Console ID: 45578365
Console Type: Wii
Shop Channel Country: United Kingdom (110)
Boot2 v4
Found 69 titles.
Found 47 IOS on this console. 12 of them are stubs.
IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): No Patches
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
IOS11 (rev 256): Stub
IOS12 (rev 526): No Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS16 (rev 512): Stub
IOS17 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS20 (rev 256): Stub
IOS21 (rev 1039): No Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): No Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): No Patches
IOS30 (rev 2816): Stub
IOS31 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS36 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS37 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS40 (rev 3072): Stub
IOS41 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS50 (rev 5120): Stub
IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub
IOS52 (rev 5888): Stub
IOS53 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): No Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 6400): Stub
IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS62 (rev 6430): No Patches
IOS70 (rev 6912): Stub
IOS80 (rev 6944): No Patches
IOS202[60] (rev 65535 Info: hermes-v5.1): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS222[38] (rev 65535 Info: hermes-v5.1): Trucha Bug ES Identify NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS223[37] (rev 65535 Info: hermes-v5.1): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS224[57] (rev 65535 Info: hermes-5.1): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS249[56] (rev 65535 Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 65535 Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
BC v6
MIOS v10
Report generated on 01/11/2017.
 
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I'm quite suprised of your new SysCheck because it looks very much like my own, except for a few cIOS:es but that shouldn't interfere...
Yesterday the thought stuck me about reinstalling IOS 80 and System Menu 4.3E manually with a wad manager incase anything with them were wrong that could cause your problem, however if that will help I have no clue of, I'm sure some would deem it risky but I can say I wouldn't mind doing it since I have bootmii boot2. That would remove priiloader atleast, altough you could just reinstall it.

If not I'm still intressed in knowing what happens if you run a game from disc, will it crash aswell? If not it would suggest something is wrong with the usb/cIOS and such.

What USB loader are you using? Aswell have you set it to use any special IOS? I've got USB loader GX set to use IOS 249.
 
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Litle_Bird said:
I'm quite suprised of your new SysCheck because it looks very much like my own, except for a few cIOS:es but that shouldn't interfere...
Yesterday the thought stuck me about reinstalling IOS 80 and System Menu 4.3E manually with a wad manager incase anything with them were wrong that could cause your problem, however if that will help I have no clue of, I'm sure some would deem it risky but I can say I wouldn't mind doing it since I have bootmii boot2. That would remove priiloader atleast, altough you could just reinstall it.

If not I'm still intressed in knowing what happens if you run a game from disc, will it crash aswell? If not it would suggest something is wrong with the usb/cIOS and such.

What USB loader are you using? Aswell have you set it to use any special IOS? I've got USB loader GX set to use IOS 249.
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Yeah I thought I'd done everything correctly, I only installed 222 and 223 etc because I was trying to solve the crashing problem with a different cIOS

I'll give that a go, anything at this stage that might help I will give it a try.

I'll give some discs a go and see what happens with those but I was playing discs on it for hours the other day before I hacked it and it was fine. :(

I've tried USB loader GX and Configurable USB loader with 249 (beta 52 and 53) and 222 all with the same results,
 
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What kind of hard drive are you using?
Strange as this sounds, many hard drives have a "power saving" feature that cause it to spin down after a period of about 10 or 20 minutes without any active read/writes, which happens a lot for Wii games because of how the Wii works.

In those instances, nothing in any cIOS is designed to tell the HDD to spin back up, and thus many games will immediately crash when they try to load anything.
 
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What kind of hard drive are you using?
Strange as this sounds, many hard drives have a "power saving" feature that cause it to spin down after a period of about 10 or 20 minutes without any active read/writes, which happens a lot for Wii games because of how the Wii works.

In those instances, nothing in any cIOS is designed to tell the HDD to spin back up, and thus many games will immediately crash when they try to load anything.
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The only hard drive I've tried on it is a spare 180gb Intel SSD in a USB enclosure but I have tried running from the SD card without the hard drive plugged in with identical results.

The crashing also happens randomly anywhere from 2 minutes to half an hour into playing.
 
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The only hard drive I've tried on it is a spare 180gb Intel SSD in a USB enclosure but I have tried running from the SD card without the hard drive plugged in with identical results.
The crashing also happens randomly anywhere from 2 minutes to half an hour into playing.
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Are you using any advanced functions like EmuNAND or anything?
 
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Well, I setup EmuNAND with USB Loader GX and I have a load of games on that but I don't have it setup at all with CFG USB loader nor do I have an EmuNAND on my SD card. Still crashes when using CFG USB and an SD card.

Could that have messed something up?
 

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