*Eh* Want a twinkie on your way out of court Mr police officer, sir?
Also Trump started to use eugenics in his speeches. (See end of video.)
edit: More detailed account of what happened:
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Oh, so defending against invaders who don't announce themselves isn't allowed(1)? I thought that was the whole reasoning gun ownership was allowed in the USA.This about Breonna Taylor? People should be mad at her boyfriend.
Oh, so defending against invaders who don't announce themselves isn't allowed? I thought that was the whole reasoning gun ownership was allowed in the USA.
Oh, and don't start with the 'but they announced themselves as the police' defense. Neighbors back up the claim that they didn't, and they had a warrant that didn't require them identifying themselves.
So no... We don't get mad at victims. Only at people going their way to paint them as criminals every time the police screws up...
Massively, in this case.
Her boyfriend shot at the police, she was a victim of her boyfriends actions. There's also multiple reports that they did knock and announce themselves, so who do you believe, the drug dealers or the police?
Also the title of this thread is extremely misleading, i could quote stat after stat proving black people are not disproportionately killed by the police but i'd be wasting my time. I saw no threads about david doran or cannon hinnant, just race baiting as per.
Oh, so defending against invaders who don't announce themselves isn't allowed?.
Okay, show them sources on that announcing, then (same for you, @Hanafuda). this report tells they used a battering ram to enter the door . If that's your definition of knocking, I'm curious how thick your front door is.Her boyfriend shot at the police, she was a victim of her boyfriends actions. There's also multiple reports that they did knock and announce themselves, so who do you believe, the drug dealers or the police?
One out of 12 (?) witnesses heard that, two called the police afterwards, and the recording of the husband calling the police afterwards, unaware that police just killed his wife also doesnt sound fake or staged.They did announce. Confirmed by a civilian neighbor eyewitness.
I'm so freaking sick of people taking stances based on hating black folks. Hanafuda what on earth has brought you to this?
I don't want to debate on whether the cops were justified or not but I am genuinely curious on why you think the order doesn't exist. I've actually never seen someone claim that, I just see people argue whether they should've been given the okay in the first place or not.Police was not in uniform, forced entry order probably was invalid. As in didnt exist.
Where did I express any such thing? A grand jury was convened, they were presented with the evidence and testimony of witnesses, and they made a decision. You weren't there, I wasn't there. I accept their decision and I read nothing insidious into it. .
Well... At least you replied. Fair enough : I was, technically speaking, wrong. They might have announced.
Here's the thing : only one in twelve neighbors heard that. That one person that claimed he heard that only said so after saying he didn't hear it twice. His current story is that they only announced it once. Considering it's 3AM and the police pounded on the door for nearly a minute, chances are high Walker didn't hear it (that's still that witness talking) . That's just one of the many oversights of the police, but that weren't mentioned when the jury made their decision.
So your comment of "the grand jury got sworn testimony from people who were there." is at best misleading (meaning : it's bullshit). They just cherry picked the one witness whom they could convince to change his story.
From this source:
In what was probably the most frustrating part of Cameron’s press event, he cited a single witness who claimed to have heard the officers identify themselves as police. I spoke with Taylor’s lawyers in June, who at that time had interviewed 11 of her neighbors. Many lived in the same apartment building as Taylor. According to the lawyers, no neighbor heard an announcement. The New York Times interviewed 12 neighbors. They found one — just one — who heard an announcement. And he only heard one announcement. He also told the paper that with all the commotion, it’s entirely possible that Walker and Taylor didn’t hear that announcement. Cameron neglected to mention any of this.
Moreover, in a CNN interview Wednesday night, Walker’s attorney, Steven Romines, said the witness to whom Cameron was referring initially said he did not hear the police announce themselves. And he repeated that assertion in a second interview. It was only after his third interview that he finally said he heard an announcement. That’s critical context that Cameron neglected to mention
EDIT: @notimp: you're attacking the wrong guy, here. From what I can see, @Hanafuda is either playing devil's advocate, a hanging judge or a true neutral party here. We can't really fault him for believing a jury over some random guys on the internet.
Now @shamzie and @gregory-samba are a different story. They blatantly assume that if a police officer shoots someone, that person retroactively became a drug dealer somehow.
@mr allen: from that same article: the no knock warrant existed and was real. It shouldn't have been and it was sloppy work (Breanna was a soft target instead of a suspect or criminal), but but that doesn't make the warrant illegal. As in: if I'm a cop working with a judge and follow proper procedure to write such a warrant for you(r house), then that warrant is legal, independent of whether or not you're innocent or not, and (important) even if it's excessive force or not.
I'm not retro actively assuming anything, I'm basing it off the FACT there was a warrant for his arrest based on dealing drugs, and the fact he opened fire on the police tends to back those facts up, but hey, who cares about facts when you can cry racism.
Her boyfriend shot at the police
I'm not retro actively assuming anything, I'm basing it off the FACT there was a warrant for his arrest based on dealing drugs, and the fact he opened fire on the police tends to back those facts up, but hey, who cares about facts when you can cry racism.
Why? If guns are intended for self-defense and protection, then why should people be mad at him for using his gun to defend his home from a break in? The police broke into his home, he defended himself from them.This about Breonna Taylor? People should be mad at her boyfriend.