Question about incoming SX OS v6.0 EmuNAND

Discussion in 'Switch - Backup Loaders & Modchips' started by Noctosphere, Sep 23, 2018.

  1. Noctosphere
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    Hello
    So, I'd just like to know, if I play online on EmuNAND,
    and if I get banned
    Is my whole Switch banned?
    Or I can change the thing that identify me as banned (Idr the name)
     
  2. Kubas_inko

    Kubas_inko "Something funny goes here."

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    I gues on earth.
    you will get banned on any of those 2 NANDs, because NAND size is part of the telemetry.
    And yes. One get's banned, whole switch is banned.
     
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    Noctosphere Adoptive father of my kitty named Zelda

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    alright thanks :(
     
  4. Kubas_inko

    Kubas_inko "Something funny goes here."

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    But that's just because it is not a proper EmuNAND.
     
  5. Noctosphere
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    what do you mean?
    a future version of EmuNAND could prevent us from being banned that way?
     
  6. stewacide

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    With real emunand you could do all of your shady hacking/piracy on the emunand and leave the system nand totally bone stock legit.
     
  7. Cyan

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    Edit: this message was wrong. it was based on few information we had at that time. don't trust anything I said here.

    *original post*
    Based on what I've read and understood so far, there's no active redirection done by the kernel. this is not a real-time file redirection to another device, or even internal (it could have been internal redirection, but it's just easier to make two partitions and select the one to boot)
    there are two different copy of your Horizon's partition content (system and files?) on your internal NAND. SX OS just edit the GPT partition table to change which partition to boot (it boots the second by default).

    it's a dual boot, like if you have Windows and linux on the same HDD on your computer, you just choose the partition to boot. When you boot Linux, it's not Windows emulating linux, it's a real linux on a different location on the same internal hard drive.
    SX OS reduces the current partition size (by moving all used sectors to specific location before resizing, it's probably this step which is slow and dangerous if you lose power), creates a new partition on the free space and makes a copy of your first partition on it. you just need to choose the partition you want to boot.
    updating one, while not using SXOS will burn e-fuse, making the other unbootable.

    apparently occupying 32GB on multi swappable big SD size is wasteful, but deleting 15GB of limited internal space is not.


    This will be the exact same copy of your NAND.
    NAND 1 and NAND 2 are identical, they both share the same consoleID, user account and certs.
    if you are banned on one NAND, the other will know it. you are banned server side, not console side.

    You could probably, AFTER creating the NAND copy to the second partition, create a different user account on one of the two NANDs partition and then they will have different userID, but still the same consoleID and certificates.
    Having your hacked NAND always offline will prevent nintendo knowing you hacked your console, letting you continue to use your untouched (one without cfw) NAND online.


    The main idea of using any emuNAND is to keep the console's content clean, unedited, and for security reason only hack/edit/install homebrew on the copy of your NAND (incorrectly called emuNAND, should be called redirected eMMC, there's no emulation).
    here, there's no "safe untouched NAND chipset" as your main eMMC's partitions are resized (therefore detectable), their content/sector edited which is very dangerous, and being counter productive to the safety reason of wanting to make a NAND copy !
     
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  8. cattivik66

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    Even with a "real emunand" a ban or the emunand means a ban or the console, the certificate is the same.
    The point is avoid the ban by making an emuNand that would be seen by Nintendo as the real nand, and use It only with legit software.
    Stilo need to have first confirms on how the sx os emuNand works, to feel it more secure or not.
    I would like to serve a screenshot of the system menu with the total space.
     
  9. Cyan

    Cyan GBATemp's lurking knight

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    with previous consoles, the realNAND was kept on old version to keep the homebrew exploit available, and the NAND copy being the one you updated to play latest game releases.
    here, the idea is reversed, you should update your real NAND to play online, and use RCM to boot into an offline copy of your NAND to prevent nintendo detecting any edit done to it.

    Of course, it can only be done if the real NAND had never been hacked before creating the NAND copy.
    you'll also have to switch the used SD card, to prevent updated real NAND to detect any non officially installed files.

    sometime, using 2 different consoles is just easier, but more expansive.
    The emuNAND purpose is more for testing, preventing bricking the console's main memory while trying things like file edition, theming, etc.
    on WiiU, most users thought emuNAND was mandatory and the future of hacking, while it was hard and problematic to use, it ended being on realNAND a better solution than using emuNAND. So, don't see emuNAND like a miracle solution that everybody needs until it's proven useful.

    we should confirm different things:
    - total space
    - read telemetry's info
    - GPT dump, or full eMMC comparison (see what has been edited, where are located the partitions)
    - memloader payload, seeing if it can still mount the partitions as file system, and get new memloader's ini to work with second partitions.
     
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  10. rrocha

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    Don't really know what's inside the telemetry files as I have my console in airplane mode since day 1 and don't care about the online. But booting the OFW shows up what appears to be a 32GB system memory bar with 10.5GB free (in my specific case). I did the 15GB/15GB split and always installed everything to my SD card. It appears that it's being correctly spoofed in the OFW but this is only visual info from the console menus
     
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  11. ssrpgvita

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    hopefullytheres way to uninstall this until it setup right tbh
     
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