PS Vita - SD2VITA Max Size SD CARD?

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  1. ratmandom
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    What is the max size for the sd card in sd2vita? Some one on this forum should have some sort of a idea. :gun:

    I have heard 256gb and I have heard 400gb :unsure:

    If some one has a 400gb I would like to know? :grog:
     
  2. lucks

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    More than you can find

    512 is max (sd size, not vita limit)
    But i heard they have a short life
     
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    Is the 512 still only made by integral?

    Yeah the 400gb is a lot more affordable compared but if money was pointless then might do the 512, nice they don't last long we should wait for something better any way.

    @lucks why do they have such a short life, tell me more please?
     
  4. lucks

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    And samsung

    Nand memories die faster than other memories and the size of an sd card does not help

    I don t know if they found a way to make them more stable, but old and unknown sds(of course) are a waste of money
     
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  5. kristianity77

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    I have a 400 and it works fine. Has done since I got the vita a few months back.
     
  6. eighthdayregret

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    That's why you don't buy Samsung. What's cool about Samsung is that they've been dictating the price of microSDs lately. They have some of the worst SD cards of any "legit" brand on the market, but they're the reason you can get good cards by SanDisk and Kingston for super cheap.
    And life expectancy on any kind of media is highly dependent on use. Anything solid state (such as microSDs) typically has a longer lifespan than media with moving parts, but it depends on what you're doing.
    A microSD card used for both gameplay and storage won't last as long as if you were using a good quality Sony Vita memory card for storage, but using retail versions of games, rather than digital. The constant read/write wears them out faster. That being said, most rewritable media (with the exception of CD-, DVD-, and BD-ROM) has "extra" clusters of memory that are used when the media starts to degrade.
    That being said, SD media that is manufactured to SD Association standards and is free of defects should have a lifespan of around 10 years under normal use.
     
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  7. SCOTT0852

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    In theory, it should support up to 2TB, since that's how high exFAT goes. However, they don't make 2TB microsds yet.
     
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  8. lucks

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    Wrong and wrong, solid states will never be better.

    Samsung is not the best but they are good, their memories (since 2 years) are a good choice if need speed and safety.

    Sony cards are just sds, what the hell are sayng, and they are old so my new micro sd will last longer (new technology is more stable).

    Data on solid states is just a bunch of charges, nothing is phisically written anywhere, you can loose everything in any moment and there s no easy way, or no way at all, to recover your data.
    You can t store data in a solid state and forget about it for years because when the charges die your data will die with them, even if today there are lots of workarounds to keep the charges active they will die after many years of inactivity, a cd (dvd, hdds etc..) has no deadline.
    This is physics, you can do nothing.

    in this case, it s a console, who cares? But people who need to store precious data will always use mechanical devices or latest and best premium solid state memories(unless they need to store the data and the device itself)


    Anyway your sd will not die soon, chep and old or new (unless it s fake).
    This a console, not a pc, there are way less write operations, so your solid state will be good.
     
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  9. ratmandom
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    Yeah people selling fake sd card are evil!

    And I know this because I have brought a few before, they are so not cool including the twats that make them.

    I am looking into a NAS RAID @lucks whats your approach on them, I want a big big amount of storage. like about 72tb min.

    I want to get a 24tb hyperpsin build, a complete ps3 collection for webman, and more room for other ISO's and so on, maybe even more than 72 IDK.
     
  10. Smoker1

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    I have a 256GB in my SD2Vita and PSVSD. The only problem is, VitaShell, and Adrenaline give inaccurate Space Available sizes. Under Adrenaline, I had to Delete a few things for it to show some Space. I had over 40GB available, but it showed 0kb. After a while, I now have it showing 13GB Available. So now, it is just VitaShell that needs to get Updated.
    20180617_090407-1.
     
  11. eighthdayregret

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    Haha, what? If by "charges" you mean that you can only write to an SD a certain number of times, you are correct. However, they number in the millions.
    And yes, Sony's Vita memory cards are really just SD cards, but you missed the point of what I said. So let me explain it again in simpler terms.
    Say you're using your SD for gameplay and storage. While playing, your SD is doing this: Read... Write... Read... Write... Read... Write.
    If you are using a game card and a Sony memory card, the memory card is doing this: Write......... Write......... Write.........
    Do you see the difference now?
    By using an SD for both gameplay and storage, you're putting twice as much wear on the card.
    1,000,000 writes times one function is 1,000,000 instances of that function.
    1,000,000 read/writes times two different functions is 500,000 of each function.
    And yes, you can save data to a solid state drive and leave it for years. All writable media suffers from data degradation over time, but if you think CDs and DVDs have a longer stable lifespan, you've smoked all the crack.
    And if by "charges" you mean something having to do with power, that's a whole other ballgame. In a traditional platter-style hard drive, just making the drive spin up for any reason causes wear and tear. Just clicking on the drive letter causes the drive to go from idle to active, without even really doing anything. Not to mention, if you power down your computer, every time you power it back on, that drive spins up, causing wear on the mechanisms inside.
    Solid state drives and SD cards have NO MOVING PARTS, and are thereby less prone to mechanical failure when manufactured properly. That being said, if an SD card is yanked while reading or writing data, that can definitely damage it, but the same goes for hard drives with platters for writing data. SD cards and solid state drives also do not have a tendency to suffer even remotely as much damage when dropped than something with moving parts, and CDs and DVDs can be sensitive to temperature. Not to mention, CDs and DVDs have two unprotected surfaces that are very easily damaged. Keeping CDs and DVDs on a spindle or even in protective sleeves will damage them, even if you never touch them, since temperature fluctuations and humidity can cause reactions with the media itself. Really, the only way to truly "extend" a CD or DVD's lifespan is to write your data to it, then put it in it's plastic case (since they're designed not to have any contact with either of the disk's fragile surfaces), and never, ever touch it again.
    Also, SD cards and solid state drives don't have batteries, so if you meant "charges" in some capacity having to do with that, and actually think that these batteries that don't exist will go dead and render your SD or solid state drive useless, then I just don't even know what to say to you.
    Other than you're wrong. You're so very, very wrong.
     
  12. lucks

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    Man....you are confused

    Electrical charges, this is how your ssd/sd works
    Read operations are not a problem, you are doing nothing, just a refresh of the cells.
    It will take 10x times to kill an sd/ssd with read ops only.

    Are you really saying that a read operation is as heavy as a write one? Lol

    Also, i m not sure a game will do all that write operations, most things will be written to the internal nand, because logs and system stuff are there (for eg. when you unlock a trophy the game will update the app db, it has nothing to do with your memory).
    Do you know a game or person that save the game every second?

    Electrical charges are not permanent!
    They need a constant refresh, this is not an opinion...

    Because of this ssds have a deadline.
    I m not saying they will die soon, but they will never last as long as an hdd without electricity for too long (where long is a variable, every ssd is different).

    The controller on your ssd will take care of this, and many other things.

    Ssds are not the holy grail, i don t hate them, my pc is using an ssd as the only storage device but you seem to think that they have no cons and mechanical devices are sh**, but you are wrong.

    Solid state is a relatively new tecnology while hdds are here since ages, and they are so cheap that even the worst hdd has good components, it will be slow as hell but it will not die soon.

    They have no mechanical parts, ok, and....?
    This is not the point, you clearly don t know why "no mechanical parts" is good, you are only saying the same thing everyone says.

    Breaking news: hdds are not more fragile than ssds, because they both have their cons.

    The "no mechanical parts" thing:

    This is the phrase a seller will tell to you so that you will buy their ssd that is collecting dust because of amazon.

    No mechanical parts means no delays, you can just retrive the data in the same instant you request for it (almost).
    It does not mean you have a perfect unbreakable device.

    A modern hdd is not so fragile, it can handle drops.

    Yeah, read ops are more ""dangerous"" on hdds but as i said they are well made nowadays, you can freely turn on/off your pc or click 200 times per second the drive letter.

    Ssds are sensitive to temperature.
    Actually temperature is a big problem here, even worse for nvme devices.
    Electrical charges are quite susceptible.
    Again i m not sayng they will die in a day or two, also there should be workarounds in place (where possible).

    What? Are you using a freezer or a radiator as a dvd case?
    In normal conditions (99% of us) a dvd will not die because you leave it in a table for years.

    Even dvds are not so fragile, there are a lot of workarounds in place and in your pc hw to handle small scratches, like the ones almost every cd/dvd has.
    What you say was true ages ago, when this tecnology was new.

    And of course you should take care of your stuff, you can t smash a dvd into the wall and repair it with some glue.
    This is valid for everything.

    Do you know that a lot of museums are still using vinyl or old storage media to hold data (incl. hdds)?

    But ssds are faster and better and they are cute like pikachu!
    Yeah but you can t just store data there and forget about it....they need something trustworthy in the long run (like 30+ years)
    Can they do that with an electrical charge? (Hint: no, coz it needs a constant refresh)

    Batteries????
    The word Charges in this context has only one meaning...


    @ratmandom

    Not much.

    You can use ssds or hdds, the latter is cheaper.

    Afaik, trim is not supported in raid setups so keep this in mind.
    Performance may degrade a lot over time, depending on the model.

    If the speed is not an issue and you plan to stress them a lot, i know the 7.2k rpm barracuda are widely adopter for raid setups like this.

    If you plan to use ssds, avoid any samsung 840 or lower, they will die.

    General, newer is better.

    Anyway it s better to ask to someone more experienced
     
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  13. Count Duckula

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    I had the same issue when upgrading from a 128 to 200gb card, formatting to 64k clusters resolved it.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/vitahacks/comments/6u9ai2/sd2vita_incorrect_free_space_solution_fix/
     
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    Smaller cluster size will reduce speed a little yep, but I've been using mine for many many hours and I'd swear it's still faster than the official sony memory card.
    For large transfers I take the card out and use a USB3 card reader, it's only a U1 card but still gets 30-40MB/sec when writing large files so seems fine.

    Some have reported writing a large dummy file then deleting it with vitashell helped, but then the problem just returns when more data is added. Formatting with 64K clusters seems to the permanent fix, has worked for many people.

    https://gbatemp.net/threads/strange-numbers-in-sd2vita-storage.490468/#post-7831360
     
  16. ratmandom
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    @lucks

    Dude cool info!

    I am going to college to learn computing soon, I have never been taught.
     
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