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Double-post, I know, but this just showed up on my feed and it's too funny not to post.



It would seem that Mrs.Clinton funded Trump's latest and possibly best ad campaign. #MAGAnificent

EDIT: Whoops, I see that @Viri posted a video from the same conference. My bad! To be fair though, my angle is better. :P
 

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Yeah, if we tried that, they'd accuse you of trying to remove their culture or heritage.
After being part of the American society they got used to the special terms so while it's hard to get rid of it, it can happen.

Islamophobia and transphobia are substantive terms, not buzzwords. The use of them doesn't invalidate any of my arguments.
Islamophobia is a buzzword created by the media to try and shame others for criticising Islam for their backwards mentality. Transphobia is a real term, now? I suppose so.

This doesn't excuse any of Trump's deplorable comments.
Mommy Hillary taught you that word, eh.

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Possibly coming to US unless things change drastically. Hillary is just another Obama 2.0 so things will remain as is, and if her health worsens then she won't even be able to do her own job. But that's not surprising, she spoke about memes and how Pepe (mind you, a cartoon frog) is somehow racist.

Lacius refused to reply to whether that Mexican Peperami is racist in his opinion.. probably he thinks it is. After all, he thinks Pepe is a racist frog.
 

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Islamophobia is a buzzword created by the media to try and shame others for criticising Islam for their backwards mentality. Transphobia is a real term, now? I suppose so.
It's not a buzzword. It's a necessary term needed to describe very real prejudice. The same goes for the term transphobia.

Mommy Hillary taught you that word, eh.
Nah. Great minds just think alike.

Hillary is just another Obama 2.0 so things will remain as is, and if her health worsens then she won't even be able to do her own job. But that's not surprising, she spoke about memes and how Pepe (mind you, a cartoon frog) is somehow racist.
Acknowledging that white supremacists who call themselves the alt-right have intentionally adopted a specific symbol for hate as they attempt to consolidate as a group is not at all indicative of any sort of health problem.
 

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@Lacius Have you entertained the idea that the alt-right has always existed and never consolidated, they were just never addressed specifically? With the Internet in place, people with radical points of view can communicate over any distance when in real life they would possibly never meet at all. They don't "need" a symbol - they're people from /pol/, we already know that. There isn't much more there to consolidate and pretending that they even have an inkling of a unifying, homogenous political programme that they all share is somewhat funny to me. The "alt-right" as we call them now is just the next Red Scare - people will immediately forget about them after the election because at the end of the day, how many of them are there? One every 100 000 citizens? Even that seems exaggerated. Let's not forget that not all of them are even U.S. citizens, on the Internet, anyone can have an opinion about the American political scene and share it live, as if he or she was there. Hell, I'm sharing one with you right now. Bothering with bogeymen like this seems to be a diversion from real issues - I can smell a scam from a mile away and I'm smelling one right now.
 

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@Lacius Have you entertained the idea that the alt-right has always existed and never consolidated, they were just never addressed specifically? With the Internet in place, people with radical points of view can communicate over any distance when in real life they would possibly never meet at all. They don't "need" a symbol - they're people from /pol/, we already know that. There isn't much more there to consolidate and pretending that they even have an inkling of a unifying, homogenous political programme that they all share is somewhat funny to me. The "alt-right" as we call them now is just the next Red Scare - people will immediately forget about them after the election because at the end of the day, how many of them are there? One every 100 000 citizens? Even that seems exaggerated. Let's not forget that not all of them are even U.S. citizens, on the Internet, anyone can have an opinion about the American political scene and share it live, as if he or she was there. Hell, I'm sharing one with you right now. Bothering with bogeymen like this seems to be a diversion from real issues - I can smell a scam from a mile away and I'm smelling one right now.
Have you even listened to Richard B. Spencer's press conference?

Edit: I also hope you're right that they go away after the election. It's the Trump campaign that has brought them out of the woodwork.
 
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Have you even listened to Richard B. Spencer's press conference?
No, I haven't. From what I'm reading about him, he sounds like a dipshit. "Peaceful ethnic cleansing" (by deporting "undesirables", I guess) and a "return to old European values", i.e. "making the west white again" and homogenising the culture bounce about in the articles I'm skim-reading, did I get the gist of it?
 

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No, I haven't. From what I'm reading about him, he sounds like a dipshits. "Peaceful ethnic cleansing" (by deporting "undesirables", I guess) and a "return to old European values", i.e. "making the west white again" and homogenising the culture bounce about in the articles I'm skim-reading, did I get the gist of it?
That's the guy, but he also discussed the alt-right and the use of pepe in a press conference the other day. The fact that we're talking about the alt-right isn't because of the Clinton campaign; it's because of the Trump campaign. The alt-right has come out and said this is their time because of Trump. They have come out and said they're using pepe as a specific symbol and have explained why.

This isn't a fake story. They've been very clear about the fact that alt-right is code for racist.
 
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The racist, sexist, misogynistic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, littlepeoplephobic, homophobic, transphobic and feministphobic Mr. Naked Ape has published a new video about Hillary Clinton and the racist nationalist Pepe. God, that is a really racist frog! Burn that frog in hell for all eternity! Gah!



On a serious note, I love Naked Ape for speaking without filters and being straight to the point.
 

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That's the guy, but he also discussed the alt-right and the use of pepe in a press conference the other day. The fact that we're talking about the alt-right isn't because of the Clinton campaign; it's because of the Trump campaign. The alt-right has come out and said this is their time because of Trump. They have come out and said they're using pepe as a specific symbol and have explained why.

This isn't a fake story. They've been very clear about the fact that alt-right is code for racist.
I think that we're focusing on the wrong things here and by addressing a very small issue perpetrated by a very loud, obnoxious minority we are giving them the attention that they both crave and do not deserve. I also wouldn't equate all of the alt-right with racism, there is some merit to sticking to traditional values in lieu of immediately adopting values of incoming cultures that are often times radically different, to the point of incompatibility. To many alt-righters it's about preservation, not persecution. Just to give an example that pertains to previously discussed issues, no matter how you slice the cake, it's simply impossible for gender equality and Sharia law to co-exist - they are mutually contradictory. On one hand, freedom of religion dictates that everyone should be able to worship in whatever ways they deem fit without persecution, on the other, that worship is often times at odds with western standards of life, or even the law. If a given imaginary religion required human sacrifice as part of worship, would stopping that be considered bigotry or self-defense? At some point something's got to give, the rule of the law has to take precedence over whatever traditions migrants might have. Immigration is a two-sided contract in my eyes, it has to work as a mutual effort. Migrant are more than welcome to come as long as they do so legally and do not impose their standards of life on others. They made the decision, be it willingly or not, to migrate to a country that follows certain rules of conduct and need to adapt. On the other side of the coin, the nation also needs to make a conscious effort to make them feel welcome and not get in their way too much - they have their duties, but also their freedoms. It's a very complicated issue, possibly for a whole new thread entirely - my point was that some people who are labelled as racist today aren't necessarily racist (in the context of innate superiority/inferiority of races) so much as they're are threatened by a vastly different culture entering their territory - a phobia, for sure, but not without merit. Just recently there was a case of a small muslim community making demands regarding pets, asking non-muslims to not walk their dogs in public as it is considered unclean and indecent. For someone who has always walked their dog, this is an invasion of their freedom, and there is no consensus to be found - either the muslims or the non-muslims have to stop going to the same park, and who decides who gets to have that privilege. Should they institute curfew? Use the park in shifts? Who gets to use it when, and isn't that just segregation? It's mindboggling and awful, really.

EDIT: I'm sorry about the typos, I'm typing this on a 4.5" smartphone. I'm doing my best to correct them, but I'm fighting a losing battle against an auto-correct that's set to two languages simultaneously. My apologies.
 

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I think that we're focusing on the wrong things here and by addressing a very small issue perpetrated by a very loud, obnoxious minority we are giving them the attention that they both crave and do not deserve.
Then perhaps the Trump campaign should stop giving them such a prominent voice. I would love nothing better than to ignore them, but I can't do that when one of the major candidates for president is overtly pandering to them.

I also wouldn't equate all of the alt-right with racism
The alt-right is predominantly racist. It started out as white nationalism, which itself started out as the racist groups that came before it. Alt-right is a rebrand, and they even admit it.

there is some merit to sticking to traditional values in lieu of immediately adopting values of incoming cultures that are often times radically different, to the point of incompatibility.
This is a non-argument. No one is forcing anyone to adopt anyone's culture. It's taco trucks on every corner all over again.

To many alt-righters it's about preservation, not persecution.
Haha. See above.

Just to give an example that pertains to previously discussed issues, no matter how you slice the cake, it's simply impossible for gender equality and Sharia law to co-exist - they are mutually contradictory. On one hand, freedom of religion dictates that everyone should be able to worship in whatever ways they deem fit without persecution, on the other, that worship is often times at odds with western standards of life, or even the law. At some point something's got to give, the rule of the law has to take precedence over whatever traditions migrants might have.
Freedom of religion necessarily includes freedom from religion. That's why we have separation of church and state. Your argument is irrelevant to the topic of immigration.

Immigration is a two-sided contract in my eyes, it has to work as a mutual effort. Migrant are more than welcome to come as long as they do so legally and do not impose their standards of life on others.
We have a broken legal immigration system, dude. Also, having a different culture than you doesn't mean they're imposing it on you. Like, shut up. Really. This is embarrassing.

They made the decision, be it willingly or not, to migrate to a country that follows certain rules of conduct and need to adapt.
One cannot make a decision unwillingly, by definition. Also, I'm not sure what you're asking of immigrants. To throw away their culture? That's more than a bit unreasonable.

my point was that some people who are labelled as racist today aren't really racist so much as they're are threatened by a vastly different culture entering their territory - a phobia, for sure, but not without merit.
If someone is being labeled racist because they're prejudice and don't want people different from them entering this country, that's pure bigotry, and they need to get over themselves.

Just recently there was a case of a small muslim community making demands, asking non-muslims to not walk their dogs in public as it is considered unclean and indecent. For someone who has always walked their dog, this is an invasion of their freedom, and there is no consensus to be found - either the muslims or the non-muslims have to stop going to the same park, and who decides who gets to have that privilege. It's mindboggling any awful, really.
If you had done any research, you would see that this story is fake.

EDIT: I'm sorry about the typos, I'm typing this on a 4.5" smartphone. I'm doing my best to correct them, but I'm fighting a losing battle against an auto-correct that's set to two languages simultaneously. My apologies.
No worries.
 
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See, it's because of disgusting cases like this that America needs to control its boarders as who gets it. It's not "Islamophobia", it's having control. Entirely different.

France is pretty much ruined and other European countries are going the same route unless they take a stand.
 

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See, it's because of disgusting cases like this that America needs to control its boarders as who gets it. It's not "Islamophobia", it's having control. Entirely different.

France is pretty much ruined and other European countries are going the same route unless they take a stand.
Blaming an entire religious group for the isolated actions of a few individuals is a great example of prejudice. I'm sure I can find just as many individual examples from any group of people behaving similarly. Grow up.
 

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Im voting for a giant douche because who would want a turd sandwich as president?
For those who aren't familiar with the labeling this season of South Park:
  • Giant Douche = Donald Trump (played by Mr. Garrison in the show)
  • Turd Sandwich = Hillary Clinton
While I don't acknowledge this election as a choice between two evils, this is a Turd Sandwich household.
 
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Blaming an entire religious group for the isolated actions of a few individuals is a great example of prejudice. I'm sure I can find just as many individual examples from any group of people behaving similarly. Grow up.
Islam is a stone age religion who has proven to be incompatible with the west, time and time again. Thus far the right thing to do is controlling who gets in and out. There's nothing to "grow up" about, you're just pretending it's not a huge problem.
 
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Islam is a stone age religion who has proven to be incompatible with the west, time and time again. Thus far the right thing to do is controlling who gets in and out. There's nothing to "grow up" about, you're just pretending it's not a huge problem.
Don't get me wrong; I think all religions are idiotic Stone Age religions. However, to call Islam a Stone Age religion because of the actions of a minority, while ignoring the majority of Muslim immigrants who are perfect Americans, is special pleading at its finest. As I said before, grow up. Don't blame an entire group for the actions of a few individuals. It's moronic. Otherwise, I could blame all whites or all Christians for the idiotic Stone Age beliefs of the alt-right proven to be incompatible with civilized society. Or I could label all Portuguese people as idiots because you're spouting idiotic nonsense.

Edit: This issue of incompatibility that you and Foxi4 have brought up is the exact same thing brought up when the United States was anti-Irish, anti-Chinese, etc. This is nothing new.
 
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