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[POLL] U.S. Presidential Election 2016

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Can you really compare Brazil to the US in this instance? My knowledge of Brazil is not the greatest (it was helped by watching this video) but from what I do know it does seem to be a rather different system and economic setup.

You can, many people do. That's a great video, but Brazil really isn't that different. It will be even less different now that the socialist Worker's Party is dying out.
 

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I am still wary of making comparisons like that
The economics seem different (different exports, different businesses), and the state of economic and social development is a bit different too (Brazil pulled itself up by its bootstaps within my lifetime, it is still not as first worldy as the US though). https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/br.html
The approach to nationalised businesses seems different (I bring it up a fair bit as it seems insane to me but the US government can't provide a simple online service for the taxed to file taxes as it competes with private enterprise, compare that to the state run oil company)
There is something to be said for the social issues vis a vis natives, black people and whatever else but again I would struggle to make a direct comparison and would have to go far more in depth.
The position in the world seems different (the US is a major active military power, Brazil certainly has a military of note but beyond UN operations is there much on the world scale?)
You mentioned leftist policies in an earlier post. Beyond Americans tending to define such things a bit differently (see some of the healthcare debate rhetoric and how socialism is viewed) they are as a general concept still suffering the hangover of the cold war stuff and will oppose quite a lot there.

There are many things to be learned from each and comparing them is something you could happily do, doing it directly without serious consideration on how you set about it though is not something I can get behind. Equally in about 20 or 30 years I would not be too surprised to be able to do a France-Germany, Denmark-Sweden, South Korea-Japan.... style direct comparison. That said you might be able to break down the US a bit further and compare a group of states to Brazil.
 
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I hope Bernie Sanders goes third party or something will expose Hillary Clinton from her getting the nomination! I know people hate Hillary Clinton & Donald Trump! Honestly it's a bunch of Smug Narcissistic Corporate Media Liberal Pussies who are the 1% but they attempt to brainwash the 99%. The rich donors including celebrities are a bunch of Trendy Brainwashed Smug Narcissistic Corporate Media Liberal Pussies I call them Corporate Liberals since they use charity to profit off the stupid and they pretend to care this is why Hillary won California plus I blame Corporate Media for brainwashing & manipulating when she had enough votes for the presumptive nominee doesn't mean that she'll get it! Plus she still under investigation by the FBI so I hope that they will fuck over Hillary. I honestly would like a woman to be president but not Hillary Clinton she is a legacy of lies! Plus they want to glamorize the first woman president in history instead of fixing important issues we face in the United States of America! I hope Hillary Clinton doesn't get in I really want Bernie Sanders if we can't get him. I would like to see Trump win so Obama have to begrudgingly shake his hand on Trump's inauguration.

Also It's extremely disappointing in Barack Obama endorsed Hillary Clinton. It feels like he's threatened by Bernie Sanders because he wants real change! Unlike Obama he only changed a few things & profited off of empty promises and help the 1%. I did vote for Obama in 2008 but I didn't vote in 2012 because it was obvious he'd win anyway. I have to say I couldn't have been more disappointed in Obama. Like I said they glamorize history being the first African American president, now they want to glamorize it once again!
I could not have said it better myself!
 

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So many Trump supporters ;-;
Surprising things I've seen so far:
  • The relatively high number of votes for Trump (I thought this was GBATemp, not GBATrump)
  • Only a single vote for Gary Johnson (I expected him to be more popular on the internet)
  • The very high number of votes for Other
The only thing I find more troubling than the number of votes for Trump is the number of votes for Other. Based on people's comments, I figure many, if not most, of the votes for Other are from Bernie Sanders supporters. Hopefully the holdouts make the switch to Hillary Clinton by November.
 

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Surprising things I've seen so far:
  • The relatively high number of votes for Trump (I thought this was GBATemp, not GBATrump)
  • Only a single vote for Gary Johnson (I expected him to be more popular on the internet)
  • The very high number of votes for Other
The only thing I find more troubling than the number of votes for Trump is the number of votes for Other. Based on people's comments, I figure many, if not most, of the votes for Other are from Bernie Sanders supporters. Hopefully the holdouts make the switch to Hillary Clinton by November.
I will never make the switch to Hillary.
 

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I will never make the switch to Hillary.
If the goal of a Sanders supporter is to make sure a.) Trump doesn't become president, and b.) A candidate who embraces roughly 95% of Sanders' policy positions becomes president when Sanders cannot become president, then a switch to Hillary is the smart thing to do. This is coming from someone who voted for Sanders in the primary.
 

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If the goal of a Sanders supporter is to make sure a.) Trump doesn't become president, and b.) A candidate who embraces roughly 95% of Sanders' policy positions becomes president when Sanders cannot become president, then a switch to Hillary is the smart thing to do. This is coming from someone who voted for Sanders in the primary.
The problem is, I feel a stark contrast in their ideology, right down to their campaign fundraising. Sanders had a lot of grassroots funding, meaning the people were behind him. He spoke of how the nation has fallen victim to oligarchy. Clinton still has SuperPACs, and seems to be attached to lobbyists. Makes it hard for a Sanders supporter to take her seriously.
 
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If the goal of a Sanders supporter is to make sure a.) Trump doesn't become president, and b.) A candidate who embraces roughly 95% of Sanders' policy positions becomes president when Sanders cannot become president, then a switch to Hillary is the smart thing to do. This is coming from someone who voted for Sanders in the primary.

I want to vote for sanders because

A.) he doesn't want to build a wall. Regardless of whether or not it passes congress why should we have someone as a president who would even think of such a thing...

B.) sanders is not being investigated by the FBI ( and he agrees most with hilary but again he's not being investigated and might have to be dropped out of the race because of it) so someone to think like hilary but not be under investigation is better in my book also he just had better views IMO
 
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The problem is, I feel a stark contrast in their ideology, right down to their campaign fundraising. Sanders had a lot of grassroots funding, meaning the people were behind him. He spoke of how the nation has fallen victim to oligarchy. Clinton still has SuperPACs, and seems to be attached to lobbyists. Makes it hard for a Sanders supporter to take her seriously.
Dude, what you're saying is true, but it's over for Bernie. He can not win. If you're trying to make a statement then that's one thing, but know that you aren't doing anything to stop Trump.


This is coming from someone that REALLY wanted Bernie to win. I don't trust Hillary, but at least her policies sort of coincide with Bernie's policies. It's anything, but Trump at this point.
 
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Both Trump and Clinton scare the hell out of me, if either one of them wins, I'm so defecting to Japan. Why? I lived there before, I have connections/friends, so I'd be able to hang out over there, oh yes and they have the fox village. It's a huge sanctuary with 200 foxes, I can become one with them.
 
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The problem is, I feel a stark contrast in their ideology, right down to their campaign fundraising. Sanders had a lot of grassroots funding, meaning the people were behind him. He spoke of how the nation has fallen victim to oligarchy. Clinton still has SuperPACs, and seems to be attached to lobbyists. Makes it hard for a Sanders supporter to take her seriously.
I think Hillary is a fantastic candidate, regardless of how she fundraises. And, regardless of how she and her super PAC fundraise, she can at the very least be viewed by the common Sanders supporter as far less evil than Trump. The lesser of two evils is, by definition, less evil. She also has, among other things, progressive views on campaign finance and overturning Citizens United.

You're free to throw your vote away on someone who is neither Trump nor Hillary, but that might have the consequence of allowing the more evil candidate to win.

I want to vote for sanders because

A.) he doesn't want to build a wall. Regardless of whether or not it passes congress why should we have someone as a president who would even think of such a thing...

B.) sanders is not being investigated by the FBI ( and he agrees most with hilary but again he's not being investigated and might have to be dropped out of the race because of it) so someone to think like hilary but not be under investigation is better in my book also he just had better views IMO
Sanders isn't going to get the nomination. Hillary is the smart choice now.
 
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Honestly, if Hillary were to be indicted, I believe it would have happened already. Ultimately we'll have to wait and see what the future holds, but mark my words, it's not going to happen (although I wish it would).

The investigation isn't over yet though. The FBI isn't going indict someone without finishing their investigation.
 

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The investigation isn't over yet though. The FBI isn't going indict someone without finishing their investigation.
I hope you're right. But as it stands, I have my reasons as to why I hold this particular stance (that I won't be divulging on a gaming forum of all places).
 

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Dude, what you're saying is true, but it's over for Bernie. He can not win. If you're trying to make a statement then that's one thing, but know that you aren't doing anything to stop Trump.


This is coming from someone that REALLY wanted Bernie to win. I don't trust Hillary, but at least her policies sort of coincide with Bernie's policies. It's anything, but Trump at this point.
It's nothing more than a statement, you are correct. On the federal level though, we see more of our leaders align with the prosperous minority every year. Sanders didn't seem like that and tbh, neither did/does Trump. If it wasn't for all the childish insulting, and finger pointing on his part he would have my vote. I mentioned earlier my admiration for JFK, so here's my litmus test for a presidential hopeful...
"Based on what I know of this person, what do I feel they would've done with the Cuban Missile Crisis?"
Trump would press the red button and hide in his bunker. Clinton would pursue whatever course her advisors deemed the popular response. Sanders would do what JFK did and dialogue it out. Just my humble opinion.
 

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The investigation isn't over yet though. The FBI isn't going indict someone without finishing their investigation.
I hope you're right. But as it stands, I have my reasons as to why I hold this particular stance (that I won't be divulging on a gaming forum of all places).
Plenty of people want Hillary to be indicted (Trump supporters and Bernie holdouts), but I have not come across any objective analysis that shows any reason to think she would be. Honestly, it's a fantasy perpetuated by the above groups and some media outlets. There is a good explanation why here.
 

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I figure many, if not most, of the votes for Other are from Bernie Sanders supporters. Hopefully the holdouts make the switch to Hillary Clinton by November.
There's the issue. At least, the ones I know (and from the polls I've seen), a lot of Bernie supporters will move to Trump if Bernie loses. Hillary just isn't an option.

As I've told a few people, it's actually Trump vs Bernie. Bernie wins the democratic party? He becomes president. Hillary wins the democratic party? Trump becomes president.
No matter what happens, the odds of Hillary becoming president seem quite slim.
 
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