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  1. Hillary Clinton (Democratic Party)

    30.0%
  2. Donald Trump (Republican Party)

    37.8%
  3. Gary Johnson (Libertarian Party)

    7.3%
  4. Jill Stein (Green Party)

    5.6%
  5. Other

    18.7%
  6. Darrell Castle (Constitution Party)

    0.2%
  7. Evan McMullin (Independent)

    0.3%
  8. Rocky De La Fuente (Reform Party)

    0.2%
  9. Laurence Kotlikoff (Independent)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Tom Hoefling (America's Party)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Mike Maturen (American Solidarity Party)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. osaka35

    osaka35 Instructional Designer
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    As far as legit reasons to dislike Hillary: She's against free journalism (viciously and disregarding law, same as obama), against a free internet (threw her weight behind PIPA and all the others), anti-privacy (always votes for increasing and solidifying NSA powers) and is very much a war-hawk (always a pro-military position). There are other reasons, but these are the ones I am opposed to her for.

    Mainly because it's a simple matter to check her voting record on such things. You have to ignore what she says, as she's a standard politician that says what people want to hear and seem disconnected with her actions.

    That being said, Trump is obviously going to be bad on all those fronts as well, so really, both are going to be terrible for many fundamental rights.
     
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  2. Lacius

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    Hillary Clinton was against PIPA and has a strong history of advocating for net neutrality.
     
  3. osaka35

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    Oh, good, she changed her stance. Hopefully she sticks with it this time. I recall her voting for it first time it came up. I'll go find the actual vote.
     
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    I tried to find an instance when she didn't support net neutrality, but I couldn't.
     
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    Well, she voted for and still supports the patriot act, which isn't very kind to net neutrality mentality. I'm looking for her votes on all the PIPA related stuff.
     
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    Yeah, the vote for the Patriot Act sucks, but I couldn't find an instance when she was actually against net neutrality, and every quote I've found shows her being for net neutrality.
     
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    at least she didn't change her stance every other day of the week like the annoying orange
     
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    The thing with her, and with most politicians, is you can safely ignore what they say. Only concern yourself with how they vote, not for who they say they represent. Her voting record makes me suspicious of any desire to protect privacy and free-speech rights. But I still need to find direct evidence, otherwise my point is moot :P

    I suspect this is why Trump has any support. He doesn't have any voting history, so for a lot of people that's kind of like a blank slate. Maybe if they squint hard enough? I dunno, it's hard to understand why there are Trump supporters.
     
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  9. Whole lotta love

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    I'm crossing my fingers that Hillary gets indicted and arrested and forces the DNC to run Sanders.

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    Only every other week : /
     
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    As far as I can see, she has been very consistent on the topic of net neutrality, and she has advocated for specific policy classifying the internet as a utility and treating it as such. I would take this one off your list of grievances.
     
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    It'll depend on when she started advocating for it, and how she voted for it and related items. I don't really care how vocal she is against it if she voted for it.

    All I can find is her not supporting or being against it until it was popular to be against it. I suppose that's not a negative, but I suppose as long as it stays within the realm of the popular to be against it, she's going to stay against it.

    I'll keep looking though.

    Her extreme reaction to Snowden, wikileaks, and her still supporting the patriot act make me suspicious. They're all kind of the same ball of wax, and supporting one but not the others comes across as, at best, missing the point. I'm happy she's vocal about supporting at least some of our privacy concerns, but I'm not sure how much you can rely on them.

    She says things like:
    "Our Constitution is being shredded. We know about the secret wiretaps, the secret military tribunals, the secret White House e-mail accounts. We’ve seen U.S. attorneys fired to silence them because they didn’t bring bogus lawsuits against Democrats during election years. We’ve seen information taken off of government websites. It is a stunning record of secrecy and corruption, of cronyism run amok. It is everything our founders were afraid of, everything our Constitution was designed to prevent.Source: Take Back America 2007 Conference Jun 20, 2007"

    But then votes for those very things she says she's against. She says the right things most of the time, but there's no way of knowing if she actually means anything she says.
     
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    Honestly, if Hillary were to be indicted, I believe it would have happened already. Ultimately we'll have to wait and see what the future holds, but mark my words, it's not going to happen (although I wish it would).
     
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    Bernie or Bust baby!. I will write him in if I have to. Hell, I even declined my DNC membership this year because of how badly things were handled. Also, I do like Jill Stein stating that she would step aside for Bernie if he joined the Green Party.
     
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    I have really never got that line of logic. If you live under the system you can complain how it is run, you have many other ways of interacting with the politicos beyond a statistically insignificant vote as well.
     
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    One cannot justifiably complain about politics if he or she has the opportunity to vote but doesn't.
     
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    That would be the summary of the logic but not any kind of justification for it.

    You live in the country or are otherwise subject to its laws. Assuming you are not in some flavour of dictatorship you then have the right to complain about said laws and those that make them. That alone is enough for me but even if we took the idea that you need to engage in some way with it then there are plenty of alternatives to voting, many of which would have more impact (voting means you voted, writing letters, going in person, calling, emailing, protesting and other such things arguably have far more impact).

    For me the no vote, no voice thing is a cute way to try to increase voter engagement but not much more. Maybe I am wrong but that would be how I view it.
     
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    They're all crap. I'd vote for Trump just to leave the USA as far from the left as possible.
    This is what I'll do in 2018 here in Brazil, I'll vote for Bolsonaro which is our version of Trump, instead of the leftist shit that has been buttfucking our country without consent for 13 years.
     
  18. Lacius

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    When you choose to abstain from voting for the people who make said laws, then it's a bit hypocritical to advocate for people to change the system when you did nothing yourself to help change it. You're basically telling other people to do the work you can't be bothered to do, whether it's voters voting or policy-makers changing policy.
     
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    cut down on military funds and stop sending israel millions of dollars per year, that should be more than enough to cover more students' tuition fees several times over

    the UK grants home status fees (i.e. university for practically nothing, say £1,000 a year) to anyone from the EU and/or a taxpayer within the EU. It's not "free money" nor is it magical it's just re-prioritising what a country wants above all else. The pound is a very strong currency, evidence of a good economy. There's a lot wrong with the UK politically but this is one thing they have right. It's not impossible

    I'm shocked to see that you find Trump's blatant racism to be an act. Even if that were the case there is no reason on Earth for that to be the case; there's no underlying genius scheme he's unleashing, if anything that's unrealistically hopeful

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    As an outsider and non-american my candidate of choice is of little relevance, I don't 100% agree with any of them namely re: foreign affairs but if I had to take a pick I'd go for Bernie Sanders. Clinton is a military-obsessed mastermind the likes of which I'd only hypothetically vote for to prevent Trump rising to power, assuming Sanders is kicked out of the game.
     
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  20. Orangy57

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    No offense, but why do people vote for independent parties? They're just wasting a vote, as independent parties have never ever won.
     
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