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  1. Foxi4

    Foxi4 Cynical Absurdist
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    At the end of the day, Trump didn't invite David Duke for a photo op, but Obama did invite Sharpton, and interacted with Farrakhan in the past. I don't remember him denouncing either, despite both having big blemishes on their records in regards to anti-semitism and homophobia. If we're going to use the bigotry measuring stick then be sure to use the same one for both.
     
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    When quoting, perhaps try to stay on topic of the conversation the person you quoted was in. The point is obviously way over both of your heads. Purposefully or not is another matter altogether. Reading COMPREHENSION also plays a pretty big part in things. The both of you are twisting the conversation to fit your own prerogatives. Go back. Read. Slowly. Then get back to me.
     
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    I don't need to. I fully understand your point, your point just happens to be a silly thought experiment that is inapplicable to the United States federal government. You are correct in saying that the total number of voters, or the popular vote tally, does not change if you move voters from one state to the other. You are incorrect in saying that it wouldn't change the outcome - EC or no EC. The state legislatures are elected directly in individual states, the chief executive is not - they're elected by means of representative democracy. Removing the EC from the equation doesn't change that, the burden of choosing the president still lies on state legislatures, not the citizens. You'd have to rewrite significant portions of the constitution to change that, and there's no support for that, so we're discussing an imaginary hypothetical. You're focusing on a number that has no bearing on the final result, not because of the EC, but because of how the United States operate.
     
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    If you exclude everyone who has ever done anything bad from politics then you're going to have zero politicians.

    How they handle themselves now is more important. Can you give an example of homphobia and anti-semitism for Sharpton?

    Trump doesn't appear to have changed.

    Why is it relevant? Are you saying that if Obama condemns someone for something, then it would change how you feel about Trump? That is rather twisted logic. It would be like saying it's unfair to try someone for murder, because not all the other murders have been solved.

    I'm not sure why Obama is relevant either?

    I think it's safe to assume that if someone is talking about removing the EC then they are talking about removing the burden from the state too, not just getting rid of the EC and replacing it with something practically identical.

    So I disagree that you fully understand his point.
     
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    Don't tempt me with a good time.
    It'll be my pleasure.
    In addition to calling Jews "white interlopers" he's also on record calling them "diamond merchants", "bloodsucking Jews" and "Jewish bastards". There are so many more examples, both from past and present, that you're spoiled for choice - I simply picked nice, juicy ones where he's using slurs. He has some kind of obsession with Zionism and he's confident that it's a movement engineered to "put the black man down" or somesuch nonsense. He's a radical, and always has been - he's on record calling moderate black Democrats "cocktail sip Negr*es" or "yellow n*ggers", so it's clear that "moderate" is not his style.

    In terms of notable actions, 1991 Sharpton led a protest in Crown Heights, marching right next to a protester holding a sign saying "White man is the Devil", all the while chanting "Kill the Jews". The protest turned into a race riot, 152 police officers and 38 civilians were injured. Two murders had occurred during the event, one of a Jewish student and one of an Italian who just happened to be dressed up in dark colours, so he "looked" like an orthodox jew. Three days of pogrom, all over a car accident.
    There was even a resolution in Congress aiming at his condemnation, but sadly it was never voted on:

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/106/hconres270/text
    I've spoilered Sharpton's words and actions since I consider them unacceptable on this forum, we have slightly higher standards than American public life, it seems. In all fairness, Sharpton occasionally apologises for this kind of rhetoric, which is nice, but he's not a very good salesman, because I'm not buying it.
     
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    We really need to do a better job at teaching Economics. It seems concepts such as wealth, equity, and debt are not well understood (perhaps this is why there remains such hostility towards capitalism).
    Debt is not a sound metric for determining net worth, you need to factor in equity and investment into the equation, as well as other factors not within the scope of this discussion.
    (I have not read beyond this comment, so if these concepts were already discussed, please forgive me).
     
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    His assets and equity are negligible according to the same tax returns I referenced. If not for the constant stream of dark money flowing from Deutche Bank to his pockets over the last couple decades, he'd probably be over a billion in the red.
     
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    personally i lean more towards supporting trump than supporting biden (though if i was american i would have voted jo jorgensen), and i would like to see it actually get investigated in depth before coming to any conclussion
     
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    The investigative period is over, they had two weeks and found nothing. The votes are practically all certified and the transition has begun.

    Shocking I know, since it's so difficult to tell the two apart when you put Sherlock Holmes and Rudy "Drips" Giuliani in the same room together. /s
     
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    A link would have been better, but then you wouldn't want someone checking your sources..
     
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    All of those statements are easily googlable and well-known. Some are literally on his Wikipedia page. God forbid you perform a basic Internet search in the age of right-clicking on anything to do so instantly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton

    Not only that, I *have* provided a link - a link to the condemnation by Congress which mentions them. He's retracted many of those statements since, but the way I see it, he's a grifter like all race hustlers and merely adjusted his public statements to the current social justice trends. He is, and always has been, a bigoted individual.
     
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    But to be clear, you still support Trump as president even though he has said bad things and the fact that someone else with no political power has said bad things that justifies your support?
     
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    You're changing the subject. My statement was very simple - Obama deepened social divides in America, one of the reasons why they deepened were his not-infrequent meetings (I believe Sharpton visited the White House 74 times, perhaps more) with race hustlers. I then provided evidence of Sharpton being a grifter and race hustler, since that was questioned despite a sizable public record of inflammatory and racially charged rhetoric. With that, my argument is complete and closed. If you honestly want more detailed sources for each and every individual statement then I can do that too, but honestly, with Sharpton's record you're asking me to prove that water is in fact wet. This isn't a weird revelation I'm dropping here, the calls for both parties to distance themselves from him were loud and clear in the early 2000's. Now he's being embraced again with his new, softened tone, but I don't have the memory of a goldfish and I don't believe in his sudden, magical transformation. I also have a good idea why battle cries like "pigs in blankets, fry'em like bacon" have resurfaced recently. "No justice, no peace" is another Sharpton slogan from two decades ago, IIRC, and we're hearing it again now.
     
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    No, I'm not. I'm taking it back to the subject about Trump.

    I was only going to bother reading up on him if it would make a difference to the discussion on Trump and it clearly won't because you are only bringing him up to change the subject away from Trump & not because you want everyone to be judged the same.
     
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    Maybe you should follow the conversation then, perhaps you'd know how we ended up here if you did. As a reminder, we were talking about the racial divide in America, which in my opinion Trump has inherited from Obama rather than created himself - something he's often accused of. You, on the other hand, were (unsuccessfuly) trying to divert attention to me instead, or more specifically, my support of Trump. Personal attack, fairly standard strategy when people don't have a come-back, but that's alright. I'm done talking about Sharpton anyway, there's only so much you can say about him.
     
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    Still missing the entire thing and off topic from what the discussion was. One more try perhaps?
     
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    Talk about a simple mind. This was already discussed at great length, by people a lot smarter than you. They created the electoral college. Herd mentality is a thing...
     
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    I see things are still flying way, way, WAY over your head. I'm not going to hold your hand. My purpose/meaning is seriously NOT very difficult to understand.
     
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    The Electoral college was basically inherited from United Kingdom, where the elected representatives both serve the people and vote for the leader while the US split those roles. It solved some problems that are no longer relevant.

    Anyone that supports it now is guilty of group think.
     
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    No sir, and I'm not in the mood to discuss such mundane matters, my apologies.
     
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