Poll: did Trump really win the 2020 election?

It was always going to happen, if you want low inflation then you need to make things cheaper and rightly or wrongly you do that by finding a poor country with lower working standards and wages and paying them to do it (or importing illegal immigrants from a poor country and paying them barely nothing).

The US did that too but Trump wants to reverse it, which sounds great on the surface but it's likely going to bankrupt the US if he actually achieves it.

It needs someone who can handle nuance, not someone like Trump

 

Here is a potentially foolproof way to forge the next election outcome.

There are some forms of epaper, that could be inductively charged, and maybe even programmed to change the ballot number in a set time interval.

If those numbers dont get checked against a register (as Team Giuliani suggests), but are only spot checked for a 'freak' bunching up of one number, have your guy at the voting booth, feed that into a vote scanner every 10 minutes.

Have an emergency switch that deletes the content of the epaper, and let it auto destroy after 12 hours.

And the only problem left to be solved in hardware is, how to get the chip and the transistors on the epaper small enough for them to fit through the document scanner.

Also, why isnt the document scanner one way, with a lock and a bag attached at the bottom?

Hm... Some of those schemes could be juicy, if you just add a little creative thinking.. I mean with all the vote checkers in the US not knowing what they are supposed to do or not...

(Does it scale though...? Lets say one person does that every 10 minutes for 12 hours = 72 votes. Yeah, not bad. edit: But doesnt scale enough. (Made a slight calculation error the first time around. ))

edit -Ideally have the entire sheet made of paper and only the number part replaced by eInk. Would probably look better. And it doesnt need to look totally convincing to the machine if they are storing OCR data only. (They probably also store an image.. )

And you are still up against statistical sanity checks.

edit: Here - proof of concept for your next voter fraud scheme :

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Did some more theory crafting on that.

Problem laid out by Team Giuliani was, that in some districts, the same voting ballot numbers would show up 'ten minutes after the first time - they showed up' in logs, which to them indicated, that ballots might have been fed in loops - multiple times. Which according to them also lined up with them recording 'voting precessing spikes' around 4 am in the morning. (At least in some cases.. )

Why ten minutes though? This might be connected to the second conspiracy they spun up, which was, that 'entire batches' were recycled.

So scanners probably are one way - with a bag and a lock attached at the bottom - but it was alleged, that they were 're-fed' after 10 minutes.

But that would lead to the entire batches ballot numbers at least showing up twice - which would be highly suspect, and immediately point at the issue.

If only 'some' ballots 'showed up for a second time' according to their numbers, its probably an OCR error, that propagated down to the logs?

Hey - when they dont give any specifics, its actually fun, to puzzle together the rest in your mind...

*hint**hint*
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Only fact check with details I've found is this: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/19/fact-checking-the-trump-campaigns-wild-press-conference/

Which is highly suspect. Basically says not to worry - its a clerical issue. And doesnt differentiate between undercount and overcount. If you have overcount vales of 40-200% (and 40% apparently happened in some districts before) - I'd like to know the reason for it. But as Giuliani only dropped it as a byline - amongst 50 other more easily debunkable statements... Couldnt have been that important, ey?

I mean if their best bet was to go in on 'Venezuelan communists manipulated our voting machines', god have mercy....

edit:

Found the source for the 300+% overvote. As you indicated, its debunked.

https://web.archive.org/web/2020112...h-hyped-affidavit-features-big-glaring-error/

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Haha, this is flipping great!

Smartmatic story (in the so far unreleased affidavit) includes results being fed into a 'national monitoring room' in Venzuela, brought to you by Smartmatic - which allowed the president to monitor and change district outcomes in realtime.

src:
h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_p1sonhp-k

"Stark similarities" to the situation in the US were alleged by Powell - so the followup question is -- how many of Dominions voting machines were connected to the internet?... (0? Well great, that takes care of 'stark similarities')

Also according to Powell Smartmatic had to take the entire internet down in Venezuela to make the voting machines 'change over'. (What? Even in regimes like that - internet is only taken down to suppress news propagation and organizing.)

Arguably allegedly (?) when that military official heard of 'glitches' in several Dominion voting machines that 'stopped the voting' for a certain time - he was reminded of his time in Venezuela when the President had to 'take down the internet - to change smartmatic voting results'? That the stark 'similarities' connection?

Also according to Powell Smartmagic built an elaborate system that allows you to disassociate identity verification data (thumbprint) from voting data, and manipulate one independent of the other. Yes, thats called a computer.... Also, thats by design (id gets discarded, vote is kept, so voting is thereby anonymized). Gotta love people speaking with authority on things they dont understand, not being questioned on it by the journalists interviewing, because they also dont understand a thing about those things... *sigh*

 

just add up the votes man. 157 vs 24+14+10 = 157 vs 48. or another way to look at it is 48/(157+48)= 23.41% for trump and 76.59% for biden.

if we add the "don't care votes" those percentages drop a little for both candidates.

however this is also an interesting topic. in a few senate races across America, there were shadow candidates that shared extremely close names with the democratic candidate thus splitting their vote.

for example:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/20/florida-election-trump-senator-rodriguez/

 

Unless you know what the logs are supposed to contain, you can't really tell what it is going on.

Maybe they get logged at multiple stages, so all numbers are in there multiple times.
Maybe there were errors and they had to be retried committing to the data base.
Maybe they were holding the piece of paper with their thumb over part of the number.
Maybe the number they are seeing in the logs is not a ballot number.
Maybe Rudy can't read.
Maybe Rudy just made it up.

I worked on software that did real time data analysis, it went through QA and went live without anyone noticing that the data volumes involved meant that if the system failed for any reason (power/network outage/etc) it would not catch up. I figured out a way to make it quicker, but in the mean time there was lots of records being processed at odd times of the day when nothing should have been happening.

 

"I Love Democracy."

 

an investigation is happening, the potential shadow candidate used an address in palmetto that he doesn't live at, which is a 3rd degree felony in Florida. The guy is a ghost, did no campaigning or anything.

in fact, he doesn't even live in the district he was running for.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article247288694.html

Alex got 6k votes when the difference between José and Ileana was 34 votes. if even 50 out of the 6000+ people confused the candidates names it swung the election.

 

do you understand what you're talking about? Obviously not. The number of democratic voters in those two states combined outnumber the number of republican voters in more than 30 other states COMBINED. Without the electoral college, the other state's votes wouldn't matter a damn bit.

 

Okay. Let's put it another way for your simple mind. If there are more people in the United States that would vote for a Democrat President, then there should be a Democrat President as the people have spoken. It doesn't matter where the people are located, as long as all people are heard. Do people in those two states not have the freedom to take the side they wish, just like the residents of any other state? Why does location matter? Take the residents of those two states and spread them out anywhere in the US you'd like. Close those two states down, and relocate everyone to red states. Does that change their votes? Lmao. C'mon. Stop playing idiot for arguments sake. Why would the votes for any other states not matter without the electoral? That is complete nonsense. Like I said, relocate all those people and the vote does not change. Period. Fact.

 

Yes, this is correct, I am not sure what the other gentleman is going on about.
Please not another "The electoral college is a system of Apartheid" debate; surely we are past this?

 

IF electoral college votes had kept pace with population as they were meant to, then the system would be working perfectly fine. The EC was essentially meant to be a representative form of what you call "mob rule" all the same. Aside from that, it was meant as a safeguard to prevent a person with neither the temperament nor the intelligence for the position from becoming president. Obviously it failed in that duty in 2016, so the entire institution has proven itself to be vestigial at best.

 

Oh are we still in fantasy land? Or did you really not see his taxes that got leaked a while back? He's several hundred million in debt, or at least he was before he started profiting from the presidency. Probably made up about 100mil of it so far, at best. I'd say he's just a shitty grifter, but he got you hook, line, and sinker even though you aren't American. So I guess he's a half-decent grifter.

Obama did start (or aid) in an international conflict, but it certainly wasn't long-term by any definition. And Trump did make moves abroad, such as abandoning our decades-long allies to death, or worse, rule by Putin.

Bullshit. There are just as many troops out there, they simply moved from Iraq/Afghanistan to Saudi Arabia and the like to guard oil fields. GWB would be proud.

 

Except the conversation was about what would happen if there was no electoral. Next time please read the context of things before posting. K? Thanks. So no. The popular vote, which is what was being referred to, would absolutely not change.

 

The Trump tax leak is probably simply fabricated as it did come from the leftist media.

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Each State gets representation under the Electoral College. If we voted with the popular vote certain states wouldn't be fairly represented and contrary to popular belief we do not live under a democracy, but a constitutional republic made up of 50 states and some outlying territories.