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For whom will/would you vote?

Poll closed Nov 4, 2020.
  1. Donald Trump and Mike Pence (Republican Party)

    33.1%
  2. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris (Democratic Party)

    52.6%
  3. Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen (Libertarian Party)

    2.5%
  4. Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker (Green Party)

    3.9%
  5. Other

    7.9%
  6. 646 voter(s)
  1. Foxi4

    Foxi4 Cynical Absurdist
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    Live by the lightning, die by the lightning. I personally wouldn't necessarily be a happy camper as I'm not a huge fan of the old school establishment GOP, but if push comes to shove he's "presidential enough" to pass in a crowd until someone else comes along. The difference here is that when Pence was running alongside Trump, there was no real worry that he'd have to step in, not unless something sudden and tragic happened to Trump. With Biden I don't have the same level of confidence - I may be wrong, but that's the impression I get just by observing his public appearances.
     
  2. gregory-samba

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    You seemed to have glossed over the entire two paragraphs I typed about how it's okay for tens of thousands to gather together to loot, burn buildings, harm people and riot yet it's not okay for tens of thousands to attend a rally. Protesting and public assembly are both rights we share. Of course protesting is not the same as rioting, but to be fair there's peaceful protesters and the unruly rioters at some of the same events. Nice to see you completely ignore the two paragraphs and try to twist it around on me. You also failed to address how the Democrats/Liberals completely ignored the virus and labeled Trump a racist for dealing with it long before they acknowledged it was a problem. I wouldn't bother replying to me, if you're going to play games I'm not interested in then it would be pointless to do so as I rather not play games with a dishonest person.
     
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    if biden's a communist actual left wing people are anarchists wanted by the cia in 35 countries
     
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    Isn't it odd how the Liberal left held the CDC up on a pedestal for their research into things unrelated to virus research, such as guns or alphabet people issues, yet turn their back on them as soon as they go along with a few things Trump is saying or doing. The fact is the CDC and Trump don't get along, but I guess since they are singing the same tune as Trump on a few select issues then "orange CDC bad". The Left's logic never ceases to amaze. Possibly if the CDC wasn't spending our money and their resources into addressing issues that have nothing to do with virus research they wouldn't have to lie to the general public about how effective masks are so they could horde them for themselves.
     
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    That's actually a fair point - I wouldn't describe Biden as a "leftist" either. He's a statist, if anything, judging by his career in politics, his crime bill and his current program. He's dressed up to appeal to the base, but I suspect that veneer of progressivism would be lifted pretty quickly if he wins. He's already flip-flopping on fracking, a major issue for environmentally conscious voters. Sometimes he wants to "put an end fracking", other times he sees "no reason to ban it" - his position seems to shift depending on what kind of crowd he's speaking to. Judging by the latest town halls he wants to phase it out gradually between now and 2050, but that's a pretty long game plan that operates on the assumption that multiple future administrations will play along with what he comes up with, so I treat it as an empty promise.
     
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    Yes. That's the line of succession. However, It wasn't an open secret in 2016 or 2020 that Trump wouldn't serve a term. I think most people will agree that Biden will not serve out a full term in office, and so the first female president might not have been elected to that office. Not only that, I imagine shed lose re-election.

    But right now I think Trump will win re-election, so it doesn't really matter.
     
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    God I wish Biden was actually a commie....
     
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    It would certainly make it a single-issue voting election, if nothing else. The second best thing to watching Trump and Sanders duke it out on stage, that would've been a sight to behold. Comedy Central could potentially go bankrupt, everyone would be watching debate re-runs instead for the next 100 years. :lol:
     
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    Such a missed opportunity, that would have really brightened these boring 2020 days.
    Debates now will be boring as fuck instead, I mean Trump can be stupid funny but Joe Biden is a terrible sidekick, he has the stage charisma of a soulless version of Mark Zuckerberg.

    But Bernie... I believe Bernie outtrumps Trump in the stage...
    Yeah, a Bernie - Trump debate would have been popcorn material... too bad...
     
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    I just want to put them alone in a room for like an hour or two with no press or audience and just a single hidden camera and see what happens. I think that'd be fantastic.
     
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    You are assuming I even support the riots, I don't. Btw, most protesters aren't even rioters. Link I also don't support any crowds that forgo all safety precautions during a pandemic nor do I support anyone who has and still continues to not take this virus seriously. Especially the ones that have the most power in this country right now. Who are in fact actively making things worse.

    The only people who are playing games, are the people coming in here with off-topic nonsense and spamming the word socialism and communism any chance they can.
     
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    I don't know if he outtrumps him, but he's great at shouting and shaking his fist. It would be an epic match between Ded Moroz the grump and the zinger-filled Monopoly Man. Maybe one day, in an old folks home - then we can film another sequel to "Grumpy Old Men". :lol:
     
  13. Lacius

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    There are three options:
    1. You're hypocritically spewing baseless conspiracy theories about the intentions of the DNC and/or other groups in power if Biden wins, all while deleting similar conspiracy theories. An argument can then be made that you shouldn't be moderating anything and you should resign (I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this argument).
    2. We've misinterpreted your statements, but you are the only one who can tell us what you believe and what you don't believe. For example, if you're merely arguing that there's a high chance Biden won't serve a full term because of his age, but not because of some nefarious plan from higher ups that all but guarantees it, that might be a misinterpretation. It looks to me like #1 is correct.
    3. You were spouting baseless conspiracy theories, but you've realized the error of your ways, specifically with regard to the hypocrisy, and you're not going to spout them anymore. An argument could still be made that you should resign as a moderator, but I probably wouldn't agree in this scenario.
    These are the only three options. Your response doesn't have to be long. Just pick a number. I've made this easy.

    Then you're patently dishonest, unless you're claiming to be infallible.
     
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    I like to have an air of mystery surround me at all times. :D All jokes aside, there's a bit of a difference between "COVID-19 is a weapon made by space aliens to subdue the population" and "Biden is pretty old and the DNC is aware of it". I'll let you decide which one is a plausible scenario and which one's a conspiracy - I'm not exaggerating either, that's what this thread's been dealing with before it was cleaned up. If you equate the two, you're the one who's dishonest.
     
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    Wait... did someone actually mention space aliens?
     
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    Not exactly, but I use hyperbole to provide comic relief. Some posts here were... Uhm... "pretty wild". I may not be the most likable and my own opinions can be pretty fringe, but I try to weed out the patently crazy stuff the best I can so you guys can have a discussion. :D
     
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    I see. Still, seeing how crazy things are getting, I would be only partially surprised if someone did say that and actually meant it.
     
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    There's a difference between "Biden is pretty old and the DNC is aware of it" and "Biden is pretty old and the DNC is planning to do something about it."
     
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    Things are definitely more tense than usual, especially with the coronavirus always in the back of everyone's minds. I've read a report the other day that said 1 in 4 young adults between the ages of 18 to 24 have "seriously considered suicide" in the last few months, the figure was shocking to me. A lot of people genuinely believe that life is just not worth living anymore with all the racial tension, lockdowns et cetera. I can only hope that things improve over time, once COVID is a distant memory, the election is over and the rioting comes to an end. Sooner rather than later would be good, too.
    I think this disagreement boils down to our definitions of "planning". I personally plan for every eventuality I can think of at any given time because I don't like to be caught with my pants down. What you're describing sounds more like "scheming" to me. If you're accusing me of thinking that there's a secret cabal of hood-wearing subterranean lizardmen who have already chosen Kamala Harris as the next president and the whole election is actually a sham then that's not quite right. :lol: With that being said, it's pretty obvious that this Corvette doesn't have a lot of mileage left in it, which probably contributed to Joe picking a much younger candidate who's at no risk of an early decline.
     
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    Yes, sorry for that assumption. I'm well aware there is a difference between peaceful protesting and rioting, which is why I outlined there is a difference in my last reply. A lot of the people who support the peaceful protesting with tens of thousands of people gathering do so freely, but then condemn Trump supporters for gathering in the tens of thousands. Heck, there's a lot of people on the Left that view the riots as justified. When questioned, they cite that it's a right to protest and important that they do so as it's for a worthy cause. That same logic applies to Trump rallies or any other large gathering as the right to assembly is an actual right and the one is just as important to others as it may be to you.

    I take COVID seriously as it's a virus with a 99.8% survival rate that we now know that you don't need to be tested unless you're showing symptoms as most asymptomatic people don't have enough of the virus in them to be contagious. That explains the need to take samples from deep within the nasal passage to accurately gauge if people are infected or not. I also take the yearly flu seriously, take hepatitis seriously, pneumococcal pneumonia and shingles seriously. That's why I'll be willing to get a vaccine for COVID, but I refuse to over react as others have. I don't think masks are necessary, but if you own an establishment and require masks that is your right as you own the place and to do business together you should be able to set the rules as you own the place. Luckily we're not under socialist rule so every single person or business owner is free to make up their own mind. I brought up socialism because lots of people on the Left are advocating we tear up the US Constitution and replace our way of government with some old proven to fail time and time again system. The Left's actions are highly tied to that desire so it's more than appropriate to mention.

    The seriousness of the virus is way over blown though. I actually agreed with the Democrats back when all they wanted to do was impeach Trump and were ignoring the virus (I didn't agree with the impeachment though). I didn't agree that Trump was racist for acting to protect us when the Democrats refused to lift a finger, but the entire "don't be afraid to go outdoors" message the Democrats were sending is something I agreed and still agree with. The virus is serious, but only to a certain extent. When compared to other things in life it's not that deadly. I've more of a chance getting in a car accident and dying on my way to get tested for COVID 19 then I do of actually getting it and getting sick.

    To address Trump's response, I believe that downplaying it was a dishonest move with good intentions. You don't want a panic so that's the normal way to deal with emergencies, the same way people do with any major disaster. Sure, it doesn't make it right as a lie is a lie, but it's better than having everyone freak out as that causes more harm then good. I do however dislike the dishonesty coming from the Left that Trump didn't act soon enough. His response starting late last year and when he started to close borders, stop flights, refuse Cruise Ships port of entry and take some CDC and WHO guidelines that actually made sense seriously all the Democrats did was call him "racist". So you can see how now when the Democratic Left claim he didn't act soon enough is simply untrue.

    For other responses, it seems Trump is taking the advice of experts, but it's just a shame that these experts change their position on a weekly basis. I know that we learn new things, but we should wait until we're confident until we make policy or give out guidelines. You see that what we knew some weeks ago is now proved to be inaccurate, meaning we were wrong. So what makes what we know now not wrong? There's an inherit flaw in the entire process that costs people time, money and in some cases their health or lives. We should wait until we know enough to issue guidance on these sorts of things as flip flopping creates nothing but distrust for the institutions that apparently can't make up their minds about certain issues. Of course, the CDC who started off with the "masks don't work" intentional lie didn't help things, nor does that CDC's constant fight with Trump. Lastly, if the CDC wouldn't have spent years meddling in things that had nothing to do with infectious diseases maybe we could have reacted better. In the end we're all human and we all make mistakes throughout each and every day so we should probably give on another a break. The real bad guy here is China, it originated in their country and they knew about the virus long before anyone else did and choose to hide it from the World. China is not good people.
     
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