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For whom will/would you vote?

Poll closed Nov 4, 2020.
  1. Donald Trump and Mike Pence (Republican Party)

    33.1%
  2. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris (Democratic Party)

    52.6%
  3. Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen (Libertarian Party)

    2.5%
  4. Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker (Green Party)

    3.9%
  5. Other

    7.9%
  6. 646 voter(s)
  1. Lacius

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    1. I posted a list of Trump's COVID-19 failures. I suggest you read it.
    2. Trump's travel restrictions, at best, were too little too late. With regard to Europe, they were probably completely inconsequential due to the late timing. Alone, travel restrictions are not enough to contain a pandemic. There was a lot more that needed to be done that was not done. Please see my list of Trump failures for details. If you want evidence that Trump's travel restrictions were largely inconsequential, I refer you to the number of cases and deaths in the United States.
    3. Democratic concerns were similar to Point #2 of my post. In addition, saying Democrats didn't do enough at the federal level is silly when Republicans are the ones who control the Presidency and Senate.
     
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    So you once again deflect away from having to answer my question by denying the Democrats didn't act when they did not act. I do understand though as having to admit the Liberals and Democrats did nothing except try to impeach Trump and called him names would paint a picture of the truth, which is Trump acted months before they did and that would undermine your constant attacks on Trump over the Chinese Wuhan Corona Virus. If you had to admit your side refused to act and just talked shit about Trump then that would undermine any attacks from your side against Trump's response to the Chinese virus and well, we can't have that. Fuck the truth right? It turns out you're a liberal shill that doesn't deserve my attention after all.
     
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    First, name-calling does nothing to contribute to positive discourse. If there's a reason why someone might not deserve someone else's attention, it's that.

    Second, the impeachment of Donald Trump took place before COVID-19 was a known pandemic. Before March, it was a WHO Public Health Emergency of International Concern, which is a broad category. Swine flu and Ebola were WHO Public Health Emergencies of International Concern, and they pale in comparison to the COVID-19 pandemic, particularly in the USA. Trump was briefed on the possibility of COVID-19 becoming a pandemic in roughly January and February, and yet the federal response was a failure. Even worse than the federal response was Trump's failed communications on the topic of COVID-19. At best, he downplayed the severity and encouraged Americans to go about their daily lives as usual. At worst, he communicated misinformation about the virus that contributed to its spread.

    If you want to continue this conversation, please do not say "Democrats didn't act" without providing a specific and succinct example. Democrats were not in power at the federal level. Democrats only control the House, and they House has been very good about passing bills related to COVID-19. In fact, there are desperately needed bills passed by the House that the Republicans in the Senate and the President have no interest in taking up.
     
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    The house only acted after the impeachment. You may not like Trump's response, but at least he had a response. All the Liberals did was shaming and name calling. My timeline from the .gov sites linked in my previous posts outline all Trump and the federal government under his direction did. Their response started in January. You may not like the response, but at least there was one from them. Now you have Liberals claiming Trump did X wrong or didn't act "soon enough", but that just generates laughter from Conservatives because we know that's a lie. The fact your side did nothing undermines anything you may have to say bad about Trump's response and that is exactly why you won't condemn your side for not acting. Also, a "political shill" is not name calling, it's an accurate politically correct term for what you are.

    EDIT: "The truth will set you free" -> https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlight/Coronavirus/DOD-Response-Timeline/
     
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    What should the House have done before March? They're one half of one branch of government with zero executive powers. In other words, nothing on the early part of the timeline you've posted is anything the House had the power to do. As I said before, please provide a specific and succinct example where Democrats failed to respond.

    To use a metaphor, responding to the pandemic with your dick in your hands is technically a response, but it's not a good response. If your argument that Trump's "response" was technically a response, great, but it's not especially swaying.

    I have very few issues with the timeline you've provided. The problem is the failures I've listed are still true. I recommend you re-read them.
     
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    The article is sound in what way exactly? The author extrapolated scant evidence to reach a false conclusion without applying the same methodology to other pollsters of varying biases, including those with a Republican lean. How do we know that the poll in question wasn't an outlier? Why should we assume that Republican pollsters don't do the same thing? And wtf should I trust a website (americanthinker.com) that peddles QAnon conspiracy theories?
    That website's filled with conspiracy theories. Even the motivation behind their Ipsos attacks is based on a bonkers conspiracy theory regarding Ipsos, the AP, and the French Government:
    :rolleyes:
     
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    Again, you don't like the source, so go load up DuckDuckgo and search for "ipsos bias 2016 election" and pick the same content covered by like 20 other sites.

    — Posts automatically merged - Please don't double post! —

    You've got an uphill battle trying to make any Conservative question Trump's early response when your side didn't do jack shit, but bitch and moan.

    "Trump and your side did X!!! WAAA REEEE!!!" ...

    "Yeah, well your side didn't even actually do a damned thing, so where does that leave you"?

    You see, because your sides lack of response anything you have to say about the other sides is null and void. At least you should admit your side fucked up, realize you need to change and change, but nope, same old lie after lie after lie.
     
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    Why don't you make your case instead? That's usually how these things work. You're the one claiming Ipsos is unfairly biased, not me or DuckDuckGo.
     
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    As I stated earlier, if you want to continue this conversation, please do not say "Democrats didn't act" or "Democrats fucked up" without providing a specific and succinct example. It has been several posts, and you don't seem able to do that.

    Democrats were not in power at the federal level, so the literally disastrous federal response is Trump's fault, and there were Democratic responses at the state and municipal levels. When you take into account population density, the areas with Democratic responses have generally been doing better than areas with Republican responses. Metaphorically, Democrats have been shouting (and continue to shout) from the mountaintops about what Trump should be doing. It's Trump who is failing to act. Please see my list of Trump COVID-19 failures for details. I also find it interesting that you don't seem to have any problems with anything specific on that list.

    Off-topic post merge:

    @LumInvader @gregory-samba In case they haven't been posted, I recommend looking at the pollster rankings from FiveThirtyEight:
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

    In addition, nobody should ever focus on single polls. If you do that, you will make the polls say whatever you want. You should only look at the aggregates.
     
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    I'm not going to hold your hand. I started off claiming you probably won't like the source then have told you now 3 times to go read up on the same subject matter on the many other sites covering the same story because you probably will attack the source. The same subject matter can be found with that search term. I made my case when I first linked to it and that's all I need to do. Your refusal to believe it because it's hosted on X isn't a valid reason to dismiss the article especially since the subject matter is also hosted on Y, A and B-Z. So you can either go learn or not, my original claim stays - ipsos has a left leaning bias.
     
  11. Lacius

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    According to the FiveThirtyEight pollster ratings, Ipsos has a mean bias of about +0.4 in the Democratic direction, which isn't that bad. They give Ipsos a grade of B- for various reasons.

    Edit: We can discuss if the polling bias translates to other biases, of course. That's up for debate.
     
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    You still don't get it. I already showed you what Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi were doing during the first few months of the virus and they represent the majority of their members as their members were doing exactly the same thing, which was inaction. You can bitch and moan and scream on the mountaintops all you want that you don't like Trump's response, but he at least had a response. Seeings as your side refused to respond early and only criticized Trump for doing so you've got no leg to stand on when attacking him over his response. If you didn't like it you should have done better or at least done something.

    I fully realize errors were made, but there's a gap of no errors from your side for months because you side wasn't doing jack shit between December to early February. Trump was responding, why didn't your leadership respond? You realize many more lives could have been saved if your leadership didn't simply just down play the virus and talk shit about Trump. Anyway, you're a shill and I'm going to live up to my previous promise. You're not worth the electricity I use to access this website with. Good bye and good riddance.
     
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    You don't seem to understand that Joe Biden currently does not serve in any office, lol. He hasn't been Vice President since 2017. He did not have the authority to do anything.
     
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    The majority of Muslim Americans plan to vote for Joe Biden.
     
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    It's true that the websites you cite as sources usually bite the big one, but I would never use that as a cop out. In fact, I already addressed the flaws in your article two posts ago, here:
    You chose not to respond.

    You've failed to establish why a one poll "study" serves as proof that Ipsos is unfairly biased. A one poll micro-sample is quite literally the smallest sample size in the history of the universe and that's what you're hanging your hat on? The study I cited included 66 polls from Ipsos that measured it's polling bias as well as from hundreds of other pollsters. And finally, you've failed to establish why your micro-sample supersedes a 66 poll study from fivethirtyeight that concludes Ipsos isn't unfairly biased at all.
     
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    What one idiot says is irrelevant. Instead, pay attention to the racist policy positions on the right, as well as the dog whistle support for racist groups on the right.

    He said he wants to work together with everyone, including those chumps. It was literally the same sentence.
     
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    Liberals aren't part of the Left and tend to be far more in line with Centrism and moderate Right. Even if Liberals borrow a lot from the Left, they still tend to stay in the Center overall.
     
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