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For whom will/would you vote?

This poll will close on Nov 4, 2020 at 8:41 PM.
  1. Donald Trump and Mike Pence (Republican Party)

    34.5%
  2. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris (Democratic Party)

    50.7%
  3. Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen (Libertarian Party)

    2.7%
  4. Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker (Green Party)

    3.6%
  5. Other

    8.5%
  6. 527 voter(s)
  1. Lacius

    OP Lacius GBAtemp Legend
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    1. The FBI warned in 2019 that Rudy Giuliani "was being used to feed Russian misinformation."
    2. We know the Russians' method of operations in 2017 in France was to hack emails, leak emails, but scatter fake emails in the real hacked emails to make them seem legitimate.
    3. We know Burisma emails were hacked by Russia in January.
    4. We know that the emails being discussed in this misinformation campaign likely in part came from the Burisma hack.
    5. We know US intelligence analysts feared Russia would dump hacked and forged Burisma emails targeting Biden as an October surprise.
    6. We know the FBI is investigating if recently published emails are tied to Russian disinformation effort targeting Biden.
    This is a fake story. Stop pretending there is any evidence to the contrary, and stop pretending there isn't evidence that it's a fake story. You're peddling conspiracy theories and Russian misinformation.
     
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    not only that, he's trying to technobabble people who actually work with computers for a living.
     
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    And not only that, but Trump was told all of this before we knew it, and he's knowingly peddling Russian disinformation anyway. It's arguably treasonous.
     
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    The parties switched in case you forgot.
     
  5. Lacius

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    Learn some history:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_switching_in_the_United_States

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_realignment_in_the_United_States
     
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    the most interesting thing i have seen is that the republicans published messages of hunter coming to his dad for help, saddened by his drug addiction, and all Joe cared about was that he was safe. if they think that is bad, they are insane. the opioid epidemic has ravaged the united states, especially the Midwest for a while now. So many families are going to see that message, and understand the humanity that Joe Biden has. humanizing your competition is a bad move, especially if you have a history of throwing people under the bus.
     
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    LOL, what are you a level 1 tech or something? I know exactly how this stuff works. Have for a pretty long time.

    You sound like someone trying to act like you know what you are talking about. LOL.

    SMTP is the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol.

    It is the conduit that is used to move messages around the Internet (and on local networks for organizations)

    When 1 mail gateway sends a message to another it uses SMTP to do this.

    Every email message contains meta data as I listed above. These are message headers/ x-headers. In these headers there are details related to the message exchange that took place along the way (via SMTP) and also x-headers added by systems that process these messages, spam fighting processes, security products, etc..

    As I said above in my original message all of these messages would contain the details of how they got to Hunter. Which would all be verified before they made the determination they were likely legitimate. This same metadata can be used to correlate the transfer of the message on the other side in their logs on their mail servers during the legal discovery process.

    It's very simple if you understand. For you to say "I work in the IT field" does not mean squat. Without the raw messages in your hand you cannot get visibility into this data.

    And again I will restate, a seasoned attorney the FIRST thing they would do when getting something like this hard drive is get a 3rd party to look into the details that will be available for each and every one of these emails.
     
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    so who is the person verifying the information? still waiting on a name.
     
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    Wow, I just saw this email from Hunters dump.

    While it is not related to Joe, it is interesting nevertheless.

    Why the heck is Steve Clemons (A Journalist) providing this guidance? WOW!

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    link to the dump?
     
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    I already posted the link to it pages back I think yesterday. They announced it on Thursday I think.

    Find it yourself. And seriously, you are in no way or shape suitable to make any judgements on if these emails are fake or not. And posting links to some other people who ALSO don't have the raw messages claiming it is fake is even worse.

    And the fact you don't know how the process works at a legal level before it would get to this point is telling.

    You think he just got that hard drive and has released the info in it? If it was someone like you or I, yeah maybe. But not a seasoned lawyer. I guarantee there have been MULTIPLE people that have already went over all the underlying details related to these emails before they told him they looked legitimate.

    Edit:

    Actually I misread what you said, I thought you were asking about one of the recipients on one of the 1 emails that they confirmed so far.

    You can find the emails yourself. I am not posting any links to those.
     
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    still trying to hunt the email dump down, but seriously you claim someone has verified the emails, who are they?
     
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    I have no idea, I have no way of knowing that.

    But I know how attorneys work. It's pretty universal.

    An attorney like Rudy has very little technical understanding.

    Do you think he is the one that hooked up that drive to get the data off of it? No, my mom would probably be as good at doing that as Rudy.

    But Rudy understands you can't just make claims without being able to back them up. (when it gets to the point of charging someone with something) Especially at levels like this.

    Attorneys usually rely on 3rd parties, they normally have people that do this kind of stuff for them. So whoever this 3rd party is they would have dumped all the data for them and would have been asked to verify the likely validity of the data. This is where deeper analysis would come into play.

    Like if someone provided me with the RAW dump of all those emails. I think in a couple days I would be able to determine the likely authenticity of the emails just based on all the headers I could extract from each message.

    If you have ever watched attorneys do their work in court they are very methodical. But what gets them to that point of being so organized with documented proof and examples and everything else is from 90% of everyone else involved extracting details and doing work etc.

    An attorney like Rudy is kind like the film director for a case. In a way I guess you could say. Not sure if that is the best analogy. But Rudy knows what he wants to determine but does not have the skills to do that with everything.
     
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    until names come out verifying the info, it's bunk. no one has access to the actual files and no one is stepping forward to confirm this as real. all i could find is fox news stating an anonymous source verified the info. but we all know how you feel about anonymous sources.
     
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    From your understanding I could see how you would think that.

    But I guarantee those initial check boxes and analysis have been done. That brought it to the point it got to so far.

    And AGAIN, we already have confirmation on one of the damning China based emails one of the recipients confirmed the message obtained from this they also got. So a 3rd party outside of Hunter has confirmed at least one of the damning emails.

    What is funny to me, is those with TDS the double standards are amazing at what point you feel like the burden of proof has been met.
     
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    we'll see how this develops. with 16 days left until election day, and massive early voting, I'm not sure how much this news would even change the outcome of the election. considering giulliani had this info for months, he really shit the bed on choosing when to release it.
     
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    I think it is already having an impact.

    I know it is only anecdotal, my MOM knew about this. She mentioned it to me on Friday evening I think it was when I was talking to her. I think the Streisand Effect occurred the moment Social media started trying to censor this.

    But yeah we won't know for certain till later about where this will go, what more is coming, what impact it had ,etc..
     
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    Trump's Covid-19 response is a huge selling point and should really help him.

    Nearly 218,000 Covid-19 deaths in the US through 10-17-20
    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesinlast7days

    The Trump campaign reportedly ordered venue workers to remove thousands of social distancing labels ahead of his Tulsa rally
    https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...ocial-distancing-labels-at-tulsa-rally-2020-6



    Former GOP presidential hopeful Herman Cain, who attended Tulsa rally, dies of COVID-19
    https://apnews.com/article/herman-c...020-oklahoma-8173fe14f7cf7095ced3b55fdc65581e

    Fauci: 'We had a superspreader event in the White House'
    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/520409-fauci-we-had-a-superspreader-event-in-the-white-house

    Trump, stricken by COVID-19, flown to military hospital
    https://apnews.com/article/virus-ou...ichael-pence-f6ba3a16ab9b74b161a3a7211248e97e

    Trump's aggregate polling reached a new low on Saturday, now trails Biden by 10.7 points
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
     
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    it really fucks me up that herman cain's twitter account is tweeting after he died. like let dead people lie.
     
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    Yikes, I didn't know that. I agree.
     
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