Lazy727 said:
Your entire argument seems to be "Well I'm better than you!" Stop.
No one uses Blastoise because he's a slow piece of shit. I have a bunch of things that can Rapid Spin away rocks. That would only be his real main purpose considering there are other Water types that are faster, stronger, and hit for more.
You're acting like you're some professional at competitive Pokemon battling. Trust me, if you went up to people who play real competitive games (even if Pokemon has a "league" it's not any type of serious competitive league) and said "I PLAY POKEMON COMPETITIVELY, I CAN JOIN IN YOUR HARDCORE KIDS CLUB!?" then you'd probably be laughed away.
EDIT: As for Blastoise, you could just use fucking Cloyster. Its base defense is much higher (if you were quite "good" then you could realize if they're gonna use a physical or special attack), Skill Link means you can easily blast out high damage attacks like Rock Blast and Icicle Spear, it has Rapid Spin (which will take away those pesky traps), and it has a higher Attack and the same Special Attack. Its Speed is lower but Blastoise would be easily outraced by any real sweeper and even though Cloyster's Special Defense is low, you'd probably be smart enough to know if they're using physical or special attacks and have a Pokemon against special sweepers.
Sorry, I'm done here. Your just making dumb points now and I rather do something else.
It's not about blastoise, it's about the idea. And my blastoise serves a great purpose as stated already. To counter. Cloyster takes 1 thunderbolt and he's done. Blastoise takes 1 thunderbolt,mirror coats it,eats it, and the other poke faints from double damage return.
It's not about blastoise, it's about the idea. And my blastoise serves a great purpose as stated already. To counter. Cloyster takes 1 thunderbolt and he's done. Blastoise takes 1 thunderbolt,mirror coats it,eats it, and the other poke faints from double damage return.
you are not speaking intelligently.
You're being stubborn. you act like you know everything. blowing away anything other people say. that isn't intelligence, it's stubbornness.
you seem to know better than us. you keep insisting pokemon is a difficult game.
all you did was match up moves to a certain pokemon.
that isn't what i call difficult. strategy that changes in every minute and not all planned is what i call difficult.
plain black is easy. the hack was the hard one. stupid. making it sound that a "normal" pokemon game is difficult.
so that's why smogon rules don't apply.
You're being stubborn. you act like you know everything. blowing away anything other people say. that isn't intelligence, it's stubbornness.
you seem to know better than us. you keep insisting pokemon is a difficult game.
all you did was match up moves to a certain pokemon.
that isn't what i call difficult. strategy that changes in every minute and not all planned is what i call difficult.
Lazy727 said:
plain black is easy. the hack was the hard one. stupid. making it sound that a "normal" pokemon game is difficult.
so that's why smogon rules don't apply.
Errr I love pokémon series. And I agree with the blastoise example, a cloyster wouldn´t endure heavy special attacks compared to a EV trained blastoise (heck I own one =p) .
But just one know how further will deep in a game, but let´s be gentle here.
But just one know how further will deep in a game, but let´s be gentle here.
Coto said:
Well no shit it woudn't, but I don't think Blastoise is going to be able to withstand a hefty Thunderbolt from an Electric type with a high Special Attack or Attack. There's already the 1.5x bonus from the Pokemon having the same type and a 2x super effective bonus on top of it. EV training becomes quite useless when you can just EV train the Pokemon its going against with. At least Cloyster can withstand a super effective same-type Thunderpunch or something. If you know it's a special sweeper then you swap to a Pokemon with gigantic special defense (Eviolite Chansey or a Blissey) or just like ANY Ground Pokemon.
There's definitely strategy in Pokemon but in the end it comes down to a narrow choice of competitive Pokemon and the strategy is little more than bait and switch. It's not really based on skill as much as its based on common sense.
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Lazy727 said:
Swampert does a better job. Added bulk, and better typing. Swampert also has a resistance to pesky electric types. The point Guild is trying to make is that even though Blastoise can do a good job, there's someone who will obviously do a superior job of whatever it does. That's the exact reason why it's in the near bottom of the metagame. It just cannot compare to other, better Pokemon. It won't work, unless it's either a novelty team.
It is also strictly imbalanced at the moment. Weather teams are near broken, and Sand Throw Excadrill is overwhelmingly used to a point where you should expect it in a sand team. For stall teams, Ferrothorn and Jellicent have basically become the norm. The metagame is very imbalanced due to the fact that only around 50 out of 600+ are actually worth something in the OU field. Any other Pokemon can barely stand up to them.
And yes. I've seen a Blastoise in competitive play. It was forced to switch out when I sent out Slowbro and then it just happened to switch into Gengar. It could do nothing. Rapid Spin was useless, and I had a Choice Specs on so I OHKO'd it.
The metagame is mostly just weather, hyper offense or stall at the moment. Strategies are very important, but the Pokemon themselves are still important. If two experts were competing and forced to use these teams, one had a team with a 3 Fighting weaknesses and no counter to sandstorm teams, while the other was a sandstorm team with Sand Rush Excadrill and Mach Punch-Bulk Up Conkeldurr, the second will win. It mostly just boils down to picking the best Pokemon to beat everything else.
Guild McCommunist said:
The skill you have gained in anything, is because of efforts. I highly doubt a newbie would win a match with "pure luck" in later Pokemon games (DS) because of improved "metagame". Your whole argument´d have been valid if we were talking about Pokemon (GB) Red / Blue or Pokemon Stadium 1 because of equal stats / simpler (if not null) metagame .
edit: well I won´t be a "NUH!!1EAMPRAHANDYUURRRNUBIEZZZ" but there are some interesting points in here. And, no, I`m not THAT good at pokemon also , but this is what I´ve learn through battles. =p
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Coto said:
I meant Thunderpunch or another physical lightning attack, not Thunderbolt. My bad.
My point was that sure, there's a strategy to use Blastoise, but no one ever would because he's shitty compared to Pokemon frequently used in competitive battling. Every Pokemon has a strategy but a huge majority of them have a strategy that's not worth using. It's like having a choice of over 500 knives and 100 guns. Why choose the knife when you can choose the gun? (take in mind the whole "bringing a knife to a gunfight" saying).
I'll draw an example of the MMO I played the most, Guild Wars. I used to be a pretty avid player but I kinda quit a few years ago mainly because it got boring. Why? Because the meta was stupid. There would be one build/one set of builds that you'd use and it was basically either that build or a build to counter that build because that build became so popular. The only thing that kept it varied was the skill balancing, but even then it would end up with one skill getting nerfed to the point of being completely unusable (I'm looking at you, Smiter's Boon, unless they changed it since I left) and another being overpowered to the point of necessity. It was a constant game of back and forth and eventually it got tiring and there wasn't a lot of strategy in the end. It was the same set of strategies, just with skills a bit different. If you wanted to use your favorite class you may just be shit out of luck because there was no reason to use them over a superior build on a different class.
Pokemon is kinda like that, except there's no real change. There's some changes every generation, some insignificant and others rather significant. In the end though it's still the same song and dance and a game of using what's a necessity to use because they're just that good, not using what you want to use because you want to.
I don't want to have to read the whole argument going on here, I am new, and want to make a good impression.
But to respond to the topic title, I thought B&W biggest short-coming was how easy and unchallenging it is at the start. It is still fun, but I was hoping for something where I could level-up my pokemon to insanely high strengths and still face a challenge with the trainers and gym leaders. So I agree with the OP.
I am basically invincible, and have not even been close to losing a battle.
I am use to Square-Enix type rpgs, where there can be a challenge at times.
I wish there was a tough rpg on the ds where you are struggling, even after intense leveling periods, to overcome the bosses.
But I must say, for my first Pokemon game, B&W has very addictive and fun rpg elements.
But to respond to the topic title, I thought B&W biggest short-coming was how easy and unchallenging it is at the start. It is still fun, but I was hoping for something where I could level-up my pokemon to insanely high strengths and still face a challenge with the trainers and gym leaders. So I agree with the OP.
I am basically invincible, and have not even been close to losing a battle.
I am use to Square-Enix type rpgs, where there can be a challenge at times.
I wish there was a tough rpg on the ds where you are struggling, even after intense leveling periods, to overcome the bosses.
But I must say, for my first Pokemon game, B&W has very addictive and fun rpg elements.
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