Placeholder for Kyurem Forme Found in ‘Black’ and ‘White’ Coding

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    A month of research has gone into this news story, and with the joint efforts of MeroMero and Jade, both ROM editors who visit our site, we can now post this: a placeholder for Kyurem's forme has been found deep in the game coding of Black and White. The games keeps a "chart" of all Pokemon who have formes, which we have compiled below. Notice anyone who shouldn't be on the list right now?

    The first column is the National PokeDex number of the Pokemon, which is how the game keeps track of each species (I have put the name of the Pokemon in parenthesis). The second column is the ID number of the alternate forme, used only when something besides the Pokemon's sprite changes (for example, in Deoxys' case, its stats change between its formes, while in Unown's case, only the sprites do). The third column refers to another chart in the coding which contains the sprites of the alternate formes to display. And the final column is the total amount of formes for the Pokemon, including its original design (so Shaymin has its regular forme and its Sky Forme, meaning "2" designs).

    In Kyurem's case above, we see a "1" in the data. All Pokemon either have 0 for no additional formes (like Pikachu, Mewtwo, etc.) or a number for its original design plus the amount of its alternate formes (such as a "4" for Deoxys, Deoxys Attack, Deoxys Defense, and Deoxys Speed). So a Pokemon will either have a "0" for nothing or a number above one for something. Kyurem is the only Pokemon to have a "1," which is the placeholder - no other Pokemon has a "1," meaning it was intentionally put into the data. The sprite for Kyurem's alternate forme (in the other table, not listed here) refers to Meloetta's sprite. This just means that Meloetta's sprite is a placeholder. The third column for Kyurem, which would denote what stats to use for the forme, is set to 0. This does not mean its future forme will not have its own stats - it just means that in the coding of Black and White, the stats do not exist.

    Going back to Diamond and Pearl's game data, we have also found the same forme chart. It shows that Rotom, Shaymin, and Giratina had placeholders for new formes (a "1"), meaning Gamefreak planned their formes long before the release of Pokemon Platinum. No one knew to look for the chart at the time because no one expected any other Pokemon to have new formes back then. Just as we know how to find "hidden" Pokemon in the game coding like Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect, we now also know how to find out if a Pokemon will have a planned future forme.

    The reason for the delay in this news story is that we did not know exactly why Gamefreak would put this information into the game coding. And unfortunately, we still do not know why. After all, it would reveal that there is going to be a future game ("Pokemon Gray?") with Kyurem's forme in it. Perhaps they did it for compatibility purposes. Or perhaps Gamefreak creates a chart for all Pokemon and formes they plan in a generation, then remove the data they will not be including in the first set of games (in this case, the stats and sprite for Kyurem's forme). Once we were able to confirm Shaymin and Giratina also had the same placeholder treatment in Diamond and Pearl, we felt confident enough to post this story.

    Kyurem's new forme will probably be revealed within the next few months when we learn more about the Kyurem VS. the Sacred Swordsmen movie, just like Giratina's new forme and the Shaymin movie, if that is indeed when it will be introduced in the anime.



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    Yeah baby, Grey is coming. ;)
     
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    The chance of Grey is still small but a chance of an event forme is 99%.
     
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    Given the past circumstances, it's the exact opposite.
     
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    Welp, I TOTALLY didn't see that coming. [/sarcasm]
     
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    I don't think you read the full article. There is no sprite in Black or White to correlate with one. Nor do stats exist for one. And DS games can't do any type of DLC like that. For there to be an event forme, there needs to be a new game. And a new game, we'll get. Eventually.
     
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    Nintendo needs to just hurry up and release the next Main Pokemon Game to shut everyone up.
     
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    I doubt nintendo would like the fact of a high profile game like pokemon to be released for the DS, the DS is close to being discontinued so why release a new game. If anything expect pokemon Grey 3D, maybe there's a very slim chance that it is able to connect, or link to a DS save, otherwise this would be the 2nd end to a generation of pokemon [R/B/Y/S/G/C is the 1st generation I'm referring too]
     
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    Most likely 2 alternate forms, 1 form with Freeze Shock and 1 form with Ice Burn(for each game).
     
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    In that case, would the alt forme be visible by B/W users?


     
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    i just hope the add lots of things to Grey as they did to platinum
     
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    The alt form would crash the game if used with B/W games. The same happens when you link a Plat game with the "Alternate Forms in Colloseum" code to a DP game.

    EDIT: Valwin, I was debugging your post, and I found that you forgot a tag: [/sarcasm].
     
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    Perhaps it's beta and they may have intended an alternate form, but never implemented it or forgot about it.
     
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    You know a man can dream right? I do as a man.

    I would LOVE to have Pokémon Grey on my 3DS, I replayed XD Gale of Darkness like 2 months ago and I loved it once again. I think it is a must.

    I loved the Pokédex 3D app as well...
     
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    Did you read the 'whole' article? It's no beta. It's been done before on pokemon diamond/pearl, they had codings for platinum alternate formes. It's no surprise that we'll see a game centered around Kyurem's other forme. It'll be a DS game, it just can't be a 3DS game no matter how much I want it to be. It'd fuck up the formula and connectivity between b/w compatibility for battling.
     
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    WAIT there mate! You'd forgot Pokémon Gold, Silver for the Gameboy and Pokémon Crystal for the Gameboy Color!! The color was the next generation.

    I think it is highly possible it may come to our Nintendo 3DS.
     
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    errr GBC was just GB with colour. It was still freaking part of the gb line. It wasn't a major next gen upgrade. DS and 3DS are totally different handhelds. The graphics power difference is huge.
     
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    At least we can be expecting a Pokemon game sometime in the future. Maybe not soon but it will eventually be announced.
     
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    Also, Crystal had some moving sprites as well. It had more colors etc. Get it?
     
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    No, gbc is part of the gb line. Like DSi is to DS. For instance they make a game for the DSi only, can't be played on the DS. 3DS is not the same handheld as DS? Make sense?
     

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