Patcher says Nintendo doesn't even know there's an internet ye

[Bladexdsl]

Personally I think this guy is a joke and just loves bashing anything Nintendo. Thoughts?

i agree his the biggest HD whore on the planet and also btw his always wrong

Fair play, point out the lie in what he said.

lets see now in the past his said:

the psp was gonna crush the ds = didn't happen
the ps3 would dominate this gen = not even close
the wiis motion controls would never catch on = both $ony and m$ now have them
the vita is going to outsell the 3ds = isn't happening

the fuck-tard is NEVER right and any1 that believes anything this windbag says is an idiot!

We know Nintendo is nowhere near the level of their rivals in online stuff

and who really gives a shit where they fail in online stuff they more than make up for it with innovation and unique fun games instead of just slapping the unreal engine into yet another mindless shooter and throwing it on the shelfs for the shooter whores

 

[Nah3DS]

patcher can suck my balls

 

[GreatZimkogway]

To be serious for a moment....

Sony is a content provider in film and music] and games; I think they’re ahead of the curve. Microsoft… They’re right back on track. These guys want to be an entertainment hub. So you’re going to get a box out of Microsoft that’s going to turn your washer and dryer on, and they’re going to give you the multi-purpose console of all time,

Isn't that the problem? Nintendo is simply just a gaming company. Sony and Microsoft are not just gaming companies. They do many other things. I'm not saying Nintendo shouldn't have an online gaming service (which the Nintendo Network might remedy somewhat), but Patcher is dissing Nintendo because they don't have the resources to be as full-blown as the competition. Nintendo is not on equal ground to be able to accomplish what the others have, yet sales have shown that Nintendo is in a perfectly fine place when it comes to games (inb4hardcorecasualraging).

Smartest post on this I've seen so far. To get music-related services on Nintendo, think of how much money that'd cost. One way or another, they'd have to pay out their ass to get that. It's not really worth it, either. Why would you use a Wii for music? Most people will already have a computer if they have a Wii, or will if they want it for music. Afaik, you can't transfer music from a 360 to a Zune. You can transfer from Zune to 360, though. ...Actually, no, If I remember, you can't. It's just a fancy way to play your music, when you already have better ways. PS3, however, is an entertainment system, and was built as such.

Nintendo doesn't have the resources nor funds that Sony and Microsoft have. ...Yet they still blow them out of the water. With lesser-powered stuff.

 

[notmeanymore]

The analyst also outlined his argument for the continued existence of consoles, drawing an analogy with ongoing sales of CDs.

Spot-on analogy, if I do say so. Probably the only smart thing I've heard this guy say. People who enjoy consistency and quality will continue to buy consoles, just as people who enjoy high quality music (see: FLAC) continue to buy CDs even though getting an album off iTunes is easier.

 

[Taleweaver]

Yeah...+1 to DiscostewSM's remark. The arguments as for why nintendo is lacking behind has nothing to do with what they're in the business for. It's like blaming one of three athletes because he's bad at chess and the others aren't.

For clarity: yes, the online options for the Wii sucked and should be boosted up a bit (or rather: a lot). But why does the distribution of film and music even count? Is there really any television-owning family out there who currently cannot play movies or music? And even if so...are they really going to let it determine their choice of console?

 

[prowler]

In 2008, Nintendo founded a team called 'Network Service Development' and hired a load of people with network-related jobs. What do you think they were doing in the past three years?

Trying to plug the Ethernet cable in.

and who really gives a shit where they fail in online stuff they more than make up for it with innovation and unique fun games instead of just slapping the unreal engine into yet another mindless shooter and throwing it on the shelfs for the shooter whores

I'm sorry, where have you been for the past 5 years, online is a make or break situation now for most gamers.

 

[Bladexdsl]

I'm sorry, where have you been for the past 5 years, online is a make or break situation now for most gamers.

i knew YOU'd have some smart ass comment to post to this i was waiting for it since you being the biggest gfx whore in here! no it isn't and the sooner you gfx whores realize that the sooner you'll understand

 

[prowler]

i knew YOU'd have some smart ass comment to post to this i was waiting for it since you being the biggest gfx whore in here! no it isn't and the sooner you gfx whores realize that the sooner you'll understand

Biggest graphic whore? Bitch please.
Just because I don't prefer Nintendo over other companies automatically means I prefer games with better graphics?

Stay classy, Nintendo fanboys.

 

[xist]

Pachter has always seemed like the biggest proponent of Emperor's New Clothes to me.

Nintendo are fine...people saying that they don't have the financial clout to take on Sony are nuts, when Nintendo is, if not rock solid, the gaming company 9 out of 10 people would rely on to be around in the future. They don't have the infrastructure's described because they don't want them...it's not like execs from Nintendo are amazingly innovative when it comes to consoles (DS, Wii, 3DS) and then completely unaware of the internet and it's modern day signifcance for console. Potentially there's the control issue that they don't like....even with an online component to their service how much benefit to their audience would it bring, and how much more earning potential? Would it lead to further risk of revenue loss? There's also the traditional Nintendo audience who know they can rely on their Nintendo systems...if a system is offline then it's 100% reliable....online services don't last forever so whereas you could pick up your DS in 20 years time and use it with old carts, and maybe even buy them second hand, i highly doubt Sony will still have the PSN available for the PSP Go. And no matter how stupid that statement appears retro is a big draw to many gamers.

The fact that Nintendo doesn't feel the need to run headfirst into online ventures is reassuring to me, and obviously to the shareholders too. Plus you'd be insane to think that they won't have some form of network set up for the Wii U. What Pachter is twofold...he makes big statements to generate interest and hits, and then uses generalisations.

I'm confident Nintendo know's what it's doing. I'm not so confident about Pachter.

 

[Deleted member 473940]

I think he meant that they're so far behind on the technological curve in terms of online services that it's baffling.

(Which is absolutely true).

If anything it was probably just a really douchey way to phrase it.

Thats pretty much it. It was just put in a.. lets say "assertive" way lol.

 

[MakiManPR]

Personally I think this guy is a joke and just loves bashing anything Nintendo. Thoughts?

i agree his the biggest HD whore on the planet and also btw his always wrong

Fair play, point out the lie in what he said.
Sony is a content provider in film and music and games - True.
Microsoft… They’re right back on track. - Also True, they're beginning to serve users similar content.
you’re going to get a box out of Microsoft that’s going to turn your washer and dryer on, and they’re going to give you the multi-purpose console of all time - As per usual, Microsoft treats connectivity with other devices, especially branded Windows ones as a priority. This is their hub model and it's unlikely to change. True.
Nintendo doesn’t even know there’s an Internet yet so trust me, they’re going to be making consoles until someone explains it to them. - What kind of content Nintendo allows you to access other then their own? BBC iPlayer, Netflix, that's it. No arcade, no downloading of full games etc. etc. - much still to be worked on. Not to mention, so far no tags/nicks online.

It's a very accurate analisis of what's currently going on the market, and if Nintendo doesn't step it up with Nintendo Network then just voice/video chat isn't going to cut it - those were the features of the LAST generation of consoles. I really want something fresh and new on the WiiU (possibly the 3DS too) that I haven't seen yet on the other consoles - you have a massive touchscreen and an army of developers - think of something, Nintendo. Prove to me that you're not a boat that still floats only thanks to Pokemon, Zelda and Mario.

Quoted for the fucking truth!

 

[SamAsh07]

Nintendo is a company that strives for innovation which they've done to perfection for the past 5 or so years, Sony and Microsoft are not just gaming companies. Nintendo only has knowledge for providing games that will satisfy people of every age and are masters of innovation, even if they don't improve their online capabilities I'm sure they'll stay in the run because not every gamer wants to play his/her games online.

 

[Taleweaver]

Hmm...although I'm more of a nintendo fanboy, I'm siding with prowler on this one (there's no need to get personal, Bladexdsl). Online is important. If not for the gamers (it really depend on the kind of game whether online is crucial or not), then for the third party developers. Those are the ones who want things like online connectivity, achievement awards and security checks because those things sell games (they know damn well wiiu iso's will be leaked on the net, and the wii and DS weren't exactly hack-proof).

 

[DSGamer64]

I think he meant that they're so far behind on the technological curve in terms of online services that it's baffling.

(Which is absolutely true).

If anything it was probably just a really douchey way to phrase it.

Last time I checked, the 3DS had Netflix support, upcoming 3D movie support and it and the Wii have downloadable games for their platforms. I don't really know what is considered offering content, but Patcher is just a royal douche nozzle.

 

[DSGamer64]

Personally I think this guy is a joke and just loves bashing anything Nintendo. Thoughts?

i agree his the biggest HD whore on the planet and also btw his always wrong

Fair play, point out the lie in what he said.
Sony is a content provider in film and music and games - True.
Microsoft… They’re right back on track. - Also True, they're beginning to serve users similar content.
you’re going to get a box out of Microsoft that’s going to turn your washer and dryer on, and they’re going to give you the multi-purpose console of all time - As per usual, Microsoft treats connectivity with other devices, especially branded Windows ones as a priority. This is their hub model and it's unlikely to change. True.
Nintendo doesn’t even know there’s an Internet yet so trust me, they’re going to be making consoles until someone explains it to them. - What kind of content Nintendo allows you to access other then their own? BBC iPlayer, Netflix, that's it. No arcade, no downloading of full games etc. etc. - much still to be worked on. Not to mention, so far no tags/nicks online.

It's a very accurate analisis of what's currently going on the market, and if Nintendo doesn't step it up with Nintendo Network then just voice/video chat isn't going to cut it - those were the features of the LAST generation of consoles. I really want something fresh and new on the WiiU (possibly the 3DS too) that I haven't seen yet on the other consoles - you have a massive touchscreen and an army of developers - think of something, Nintendo. Prove to me that you're not a boat that still floats only thanks to Pokemon, Zelda and Mario.

What are you talking about? The Virtual Console system has been offering games for years, same goes for WiiWare. So what, just because Nintendo doesn't let you gobble your bandwidth up by downloading their games to your hard drive directly, means they aren't offering full games? I am sorry if the Wii and 3DS have limitations, but that's just the way it is. No one cares THAT much about not having direct to drive games, and even then we have seen how absolutely retarded that kind of system can be from Sony, who let's not forget, like to price gouge their customers just so they can play their games off a memory card.

 

[Foxi4]

lets see now in the past his said:

the psp was gonna crush the ds = didn't happen
the ps3 would dominate this gen = not even close
the wiis motion controls would never catch on = both $ony and m$ now have them
the vita is going to outsell the 3ds = isn't happening

the fuck-tard is NEVER right and any1 that believes anything this windbag says is an idiot!

Pointing out a lie != reminding of past missed analisis, but...

PS3 sort of "dominates" the current generation. Admittedly it sells worse then the Wii, but it gets the most attention nowadays and currently has the best sales. The Wii reached the sky-high sales due to "all the nostalgic parents" plus the motion controls.

Microsoft hasn't got Motion Controls done in the same fashion as the Wii - it's like blaming Sony for having the EyeToy, which by the way was released earlier then the WiiMote's. By the way, have they catch on? I don't see zillions of games comming out for them - just CrappyWare.

The Vita won't outsell the 3DS in a mere few months after its release. Let's see what happens when it's on the market for a while, gets attention and amasses a library of games. Unlike the 3DS, the Vita is "strong enough to last" a good generation - the 3DS is likely to be redesigned. Not saying that it will outsell it, I'm saying it should and WOULD if not the effect I call "Nintendo Magic".

We know Nintendo is nowhere near the level of their rivals in online stuff

and who really gives a shit where they fail in online stuff they more than make up for it with innovation and unique fun games instead of just slapping the unreal engine into yet another mindless shooter and throwing it on the shelfs for the shooter whores

Please, people? Shut the hell up with the innovation crap. I hear that all the time. I hear "Nintendo doesn't need online, they have innoation.", "Nintendo doesn't need HD, they have innovation.". Alright, WHY THE HELL THEN is everybody drooling when they show that Zelda HD demo? Why the hell is everybody so happy and hopeful for Nintendo Network? You fanboys are so full of s*it - if your company doesn't give you something, you just say "It's okay, they're innovative". Fine, but they need to be COMPETITIVE on the market aswell. So shut up. No innovation c*ap from now on.

What are you talking about? The Virtual Console system has been offering games for years, same goes for WiiWare. So what, just because Nintendo doesn't let you gobble your bandwidth up by downloading their games to your hard drive directly, means they aren't offering full games?

Yes, it does, because downloading a full game means downloading a full game. One that you would normally buy in a store. I'm not talking about minigames.

I am sorry if the Wii and 3DS have limitations, but that's just the way it is.

Your apology is accepted.

No one cares THAT much about not having direct to drive games, and even then we have seen how absolutely retarded that kind of system can be from Sony, who let's not forget, like to price gouge their customers just so they can play their games off a memory card.

Have you seen what PSN and XBL offers online? Virtual Console-like products, Indie games, Arcade games, Minigames a'la WiiWare, Full games direct to drive, videos, movies etc. etc. On the Wii you get WiiWare. And the occasional demo. And that's that. They need to step it up, fact.

Last time I checked, the 3DS had Netflix support

Netflix is not a global service.

 

[Valwin]

Personally I think this guy is a joke and just loves bashing anything Nintendo. Thoughts?

i agree his the biggest HD whore on the planet and also btw his always wrong

Fair play, point out the lie in what he said.

lets see now in the past his said:

the psp was gonna crush the ds = didn't happen
the ps3 would dominate this gen = not even close
the wiis motion controls would never catch on = both $ony and m$ now have them
the vita is going to outsell the 3ds = isn't happening

the fuck-tard is NEVER right and any1 that believes anything this windbag says is an idiot!

We know Nintendo is nowhere near the level of their rivals in online stuff

and who really gives a shit where they fail in online stuff they more than make up for it with innovation and unique fun games instead of just slapping the unreal engine into yet another mindless shooter and throwing it on the shelfs for the shooter whores

Nintendo in no way fail in online they have it and they use it but what i mean is that is not as thick as the xbox live or psn

hopefully we are already starting to see that Nintendo is changing that for the wiiu and 3DS and they seem to be waiting to make new experience from it like they always seem to do witch is good

 

[Foxi4]

Nintendo in no way fail in online they have it and they use it but what i mean is that is not as thick as the xbox live or psn

hopefully we are already starting to see that Nintendo is changing that for the wiiu and 3DS and they seem to be waiting to make new experience from it like they always seem to do witch is good

See? This is the Dark Side of being a Nintendo fan - Nintendo "isn't failing", they're just "not giving as much content as PSN and XBL". THAT MEANS THEY'RE THE WORST OUT OF THE BUNCH. THAT MEANS THEY FAIL. THAT'S A DIRECT CONSEQUENCE.

Yes, let's hope they change that, but at least acknowledge facts.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Last time I checked, the 3DS had Netflix support, upcoming 3D movie support and it and the Wii have downloadable games for their platforms. I don't really know what is considered offering content, but Patcher is just a royal douche nozzle.

Last time I checked, every other platform has Netflix, has downloadable games (both exclusively digitally distributed and even full retail games), not to mention DLC, music services, video services that aren't Netflix (like you can buy movies for your PS3 and Xbox 360), and a whole slew of online functions that the Wii doesn't have (being able to see if friends are online, universal voice chat, parties, joining a friend's game midsession, etc).

If you think the Wii isn't completely inadequate in terms of online that's not just opinion, that's absolutely raging blind.

So far behind? Bullshit! Nintendo pulled a smart move with the Wii. Instead of jumping on the HD bandwagon they waited till HD was affordable. I can bet that Wii-U games will be 50 a pop. Why? because it's affordable to make HD games now. Nintendo was smart. They are always innovative and with 4 R&D teams trust me, they are not behind the times.

That's a lot of "what ifs" and "betting" there. We don't know the Wii U's price. We don't know the game prices. We don't know much about the online service.

Oh, and it's not that hard to be a decent online system. I'm pretty sure the goddamn original Xbox had a better online service than the Wii (if not equal).

I wasn't even talking about HD, so what's the point in bringing it up? I was talking about their online service which is a crock of shit. And you want HD to be affordable? Get a Xbox 360, they're $200 brand new (or less). PS3's are now $250 brand new. Maybe the consoles were "expensive" back then, but at least now that they're in the "affordable" range they have a huge established library of great titles and everything from game quality to software has been built on and sharpened to a point. So instead of buying a Wii U and having to wait years for an established library and for the software and hardware to reach its "full potential", you can just get a Xbox 360 or a PS3 for probably less (now that's my "what if"). If anything Microsoft and Sony are the smart ones here. They were able to make pretty nice profit on the systems in their "overpriced" state for whoever bought them and still make a profit off of games, accessories, hell probably even systems (minus Sony) as hardware becomes cheaper to produce, plus they reach a broader audience (in terms of price range and your crap like Kinect and Move) and are fully functional from every standpoint. Why would I want to jump into a new console that's basically offering last generation's options from graphical power to online functions when I have these two sweet competitors with big game libraries, big communities, and with their games and software at the peak of perfection (for the system)? Saying "BUT MARIO ZELDA SAMUS" isn't a valid answer either. I hardly need my Marios or my Zeldas when I have the glorious third parties (and a few first parties) from the competition that the Wii U won't get. Yeah, I seriously doubt games from '07 are gonna get a Wii U port.

 

[Foxi4]

Thank you, @[member='Guild McCommunist'], you clarified it like a boss.

I'm in this uncomfortable situation where Netflix is not available where I live and neither is BBC iPlayer. I would absolutely love to "be honest" and watch "tv series that I want to watch" rather then normal tv using my Wii, but unfortunatelly I can't - the service available here is iPla. Guess what? Sony supports it. Nintendo doesn't.

I'm somewhat "forced to pirate" in this situation because stuff I watch is just not available in Poland non-online platforms. So there you go - Wii != Media Hub. And nowadays it should be an entertainment center, not just a "gaming device". Consoles are no longer "just about games", they're about fun in general.