Parents Refuse To Feed Their Own Children, Why Should I Have To Foot Their Bill?

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It seems the Liberal utopia has solved the School Lunch problem by simply requiring to use others people money to pay for children's school lunches as the kids own parents are refusing to do so themselves. I don't think it's my responsibility to feed other peoples kids. I don't see much of what is happening in the article I have linked to as "shaming", but simply the schools trying to education the children about the fact that things cost money and they need to be responsible.

Using the word shaming in a shaming sense (as an emotional control tactic against people that think that parents should feed their own kids) is shameful in itself. I supposed we are going to get have to get used to the Liberals using the word to attack other people with when it's not even the proper word to describe what is happening (just like everything is racist that they don't agree with).

Of course, it's not the kids fault the parents are refusing to feed them, so I think that giving them a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and then billing the parents is totally acceptable, especially considering when I was growing up my packed lunch that my mother took the time to make me was basically the same thing (peanut butter sandwich with jelly if I were lucky, an apple and I drank water out of the water fountain). It cost less than $5 a week for my home made lunch I'd bring to class. Sure, I wasn't happy that other kids had trays with better food, but being unhappy with something doesn't give you the right to just take whatever you want. I wasn't starving or going hungry and that's the point behind eating.

What do you think? Should parents be responsible for providing food for their own children or should everyone else have to float the bill because they are refusing to do so?

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...g-problem-needs-national-solution-ncna1066461
 

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yes parents should feed their own children, it cant be that hard

A lot of parents simply refuse to and cite financial problems, yet have no issues obtaining new Nike's or a new $800 smart phone every single year. The parents have no problem spending all sort of money every day to eat at McDonald's or buy their legal weed. It's not like most of them couldn't actually afford it, it's more of the lines they are refusing to any think other people should have to feed their kids. It's the responsibility of the parents to feed their own children. Not mine.
 
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tc, people never ever should feed other people's kids, instead you shall call Social assistance (dunno how to say it properly, maybe)?? and let them handle it.
 

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tc, people never ever should feed other people's kids, instead you shall call Social assistance (dunno how to say it properly, maybe)?? and let them handle it.

We have Child Protective Services here in the States, where you call and report Child Abuse and neglect. Clearly, Liberals think that parents not feeding their own children is not abuse, but schools who are feeding them and charging them for the food is abuse.
 
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It’s unfortunate people are okay spending millions on a single missile and billions+ on the military and paying for officers to shoot people and still get their tax funded pensions, but have no empathy for kids, hunger, and homelessness. It’s not a perfect world. There are shit parents and there are poor parents. I’m happy for you that you’re not in a situation where you have to make tough financial choices. All-in-all, hunger and malnourishment exist in a society where it shouldn’t. There are plenty of other things you should be upset about your taxes going toward before you get mad that poor kids get the right to a substandard free meal. I’ll never understand the older generation where “it was hard for me back then and I had to make tough choices” equates to them wanting the next generation to go through the same hardships “because I did” even though as an advancing society we don’t have to. People make the same argument about abolishing college debt - they want other people to suffer the exact struggles they had to in order to pay off their debts, rather than being happy that others don’t have to go through the same thing. It blows my mind the entitlement. but then again, it’s just my opinion.
 

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So I think a lot of your comments may come from a real place, but are vastly misguided.

I may be comfortable living now, but I come from a place where my dad left my mom with nothing, we lived in the projects, and my mom did what she had to do to make sure my siblings and I had that 3 dollars a day for lunch, some days we even had the extra $1.25 for breakfast. Now that was 20 years ago, and may not seem like a lot, but my mom and grandmom sold drugs to make that happen, because McDonalds wouldn't even hire my mom. She graduated from high school, but dropped out of college. There were some people who VASTLY abused the system, I saw people in the projects with 32 inch tvs (which at the time was a big thing) I started seeing people with 2way pagers going into Cell phones, and they mess it up for people who genuinely need to feed their children.
Free Lunch isn't to give parents an "out", its to take care of children who aren't as fortunate. Parents might be lazy/greedy, or unable, but its not the children's fault, and yes our tax dollars do go to that. My business itself makes close to $2m a year, but I myself my see close to 350-450k on any given year, and im ok with my tax dollars going to support children whose shoes I once wore and duct taped, because I may have thought it was the style when I was in 4th grade, but it was really trying to keep shoes together. We unfortunately may pay to keep lazy parents lazy, but I feel even with that, the children are whats important.
 

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It’s unfortunate people are okay spending millions on a single missile and billions+ on the military and paying for officers to shoot people and still get their tax funded pensions, but have no empathy for kids, hunger, and homelessness. It’s not a perfect world. There are shit parents and there are poor parents. I’m happy for you that you’re not in a situation where you have to make tough financial choices. All-in-all, hunger and malnourishment exist in a society where it shouldn’t. There are plenty of other things you should be upset about your taxes going toward before you get mad that poor kids get the right to a substandard free meal. I’ll never understand the older generation where “it was hard for me back then and I had to make tough choices” equates to them wanting the next generation to go through the same hardships “because I did” even though as an advancing society we don’t have to. People make the same argument about abolishing college debt - they want other people to suffer the exact struggles they had to in order to pay off their debts, rather than being happy that others don’t have to go through the same thing. It blows my mind the entitlement. but then again, it’s just my opinion.

The thing is that I didn't have it hard. I had food. I may not have liked the food, but having it hard would have been not having food. I don't want children to go hungry. So I have no problem with the schools feeding them and then billing the dead beat parents. "Having it hard" is not having to pay your bills or take care of your children.

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So I think a lot of your comments may come from a real place, but are vastly misguided.

I may be comfortable living now, but I come from a place where my dad left my mom with nothing, we lived in the projects, and my mom did what she had to do to make sure my siblings and I had that 3 dollars a day for lunch, some days we even had the extra $1.25 for breakfast. Now that was 20 years ago, and may not seem like a lot, but my mom and grandmom sold drugs to make that happen, because McDonalds wouldn't even hire my mom. She graduated from high school, but dropped out of college. There were some people who VASTLY abused the system, I saw people in the projects with 32 inch tvs (which at the time was a big thing) I started seeing people with 2way pagers going into Cell phones, and they mess it up for people who genuinely need to feed their children.
Free Lunch isn't to give parents an "out", its to take care of children who aren't as fortunate. Parents might be lazy/greedy, or unable, but its not the children's fault, and yes our tax dollars do go to that. My business itself makes close to $2m a year, but I myself my see close to 350-450k on any given year, and im ok with my tax dollars going to support children whose shoes I once wore and duct taped, because I may have thought it was the style when I was in 4th grade, but it was really trying to keep shoes together. We unfortunately may pay to keep lazy parents lazy, but I feel even with that, the children are whats important.

I don't think they should go hungry either, but I think if my money is going to be used to pay for the children's food that their parents need to pay me back. This should happen by the schools providing food to the children and then billing the parents. Further failure to pay on their end should result in penalties the same if I weren't to pay one of my own bills.

I do realize though what the Liberals are up to. They are using the children and this issue to push their agenda of adopting socialism and it's not fooling me. Having to eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich isn't child abuse or shaming. The kids might not like it, but they aren't starving to death. I think refusing to feed your own kids is child abuse.
 

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The thing is that I didn't have it hard. I had food. I may not have liked the food, but having it hard would have been not having food. I don't want children to go hungry. So I have no problem with the schools feeding them and then billing the dead beat parents. "Having it hard" is not having to pay your bills or take care of your children.

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I don't think they should go hungry either, but I think if my money is going to be used to pay for the children's food that their parents need to pay me back. This should happen by the schools providing food to the children and then billing the parents. Further failure to pay on their end should result in penalties the same if I weren't to pay one of my own bills.

I do realize though what the Liberals are up to. They are using the children and this issue to push their agenda of adopting socialism and it's not fooling me. Having to eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich isn't child abuse or shaming. The kids might not like it, but they aren't starving to death. I think refusing to feed your own kids is child abuse.

I not only agree, but I fully support that. Parents who CAN pay back the government, SHOULD. I have a child with my ex, and she's on the welfare system but I pay 2500 a month in Child Support, that goes directly to Welfare, on top of the money I have to pay for extra curriculars, and health insurance... not to mention he's a PC Gamer, so you know how much that costs me lol. The point is, my ex is one of those people who game the system as much as possible, but her limited understanding is if she got a minimum wage job, and got off of welfare, she'd actually see more gains, but my ex is lazy, and one of those people that these people talk about.

Side note, Peanut Butter and Jelly is not only NOT child abuse, its everyone in my house favorite lunch time food...
 
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It’s unfortunate people are okay spending millions on a single missile and billions+ on the military and paying for officers to shoot people and still get their tax funded pensions, but have no empathy for kids, hunger, and homelessness. It’s not a perfect world. There are shit parents and there are poor parents. I’m happy for you that you’re not in a situation where you have to make tough financial choices. All-in-all, hunger and malnourishment exist in a society where it shouldn’t. There are plenty of other things you should be upset about your taxes going toward before you get mad that poor kids get the right to a substandard free meal. I’ll never understand the older generation where “it was hard for me back then and I had to make tough choices” equates to them wanting the next generation to go through the same hardships “because I did” even though as an advancing society we don’t have to. People make the same argument about abolishing college debt - they want other people to suffer the exact struggles they had to in order to pay off their debts, rather than being happy that others don’t have to go through the same thing. It blows my mind the entitlement. but then again, it’s just my opinion.
I not only agree, but I fully support that. Parents who CAN pay back the government, SHOULD. I have a child with my ex, and she's on the welfare system but I pay 2500 a month in Child Support, that goes directly to Welfare, on top of the money I have to pay for extra curriculars, and health insurance... not to mention he's a PC Gamer, so you know how much that costs me lol. The point is, my ex is one of those people who game the system as much as possible, but her limited understanding is if she got a minimum wage job, and got off of welfare, she'd actually see more gains, but my ex is lazy, and one of those people that these people talk about.

Side note, Peanut Butter and Jelly is not only NOT child abuse, its everyone in my house favorite lunch time food...

I realize there are some poor people out there that simply can't afford things, but if you can afford a smart phone, car, HDTV, Nike's, eating out, etc ... you can afford school lunches. The actual percentage of people who really can't afford school lunches don't have or do these things is quite low. It just goes to show where their priorities lie.

I still enjoy PB&J too, so much that I buy 5 lb. tubs of peanut butter at a time (soft though, I don't like chunky). I'm in no way abusing myself because I enjoy eating just a PB&J for lunch with a tall glass of water. It's much more healthy then a #2 at Steak & Shake (and much cheaper).
 
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Pragmatically speaking I can see feeding kids -- most teachers will probably tell you what kids don't do well for food at home, or maybe have not had food on a given day, and a decent diet does wonders for people in any number of walks of life -- prisoners, military, schools in general (see those that would allow them to have water in classes, drinks in exams, breakfast before exams...) will all give you reams of research here.

Shame is a hard tactic to use properly. If we are going to continue with schools Freakonomics did an interesting one here with regards to fines for picking kids up late -- introducing fines only made the problem worse as the social stigma was enough to keep some in line but if they would instead just be able to pay it off for a token sum...
To visit the sins of the parents upon the children is a different matter. Going further and tying it back to the opening thing the very same thing that would see me call a parent that does not want vaccinations for their kids a dumb cunt and provide avenues for kids to get it themselves (age of criminal responsibility swings both ways I figure), and make it hard to access education, would in turn apply here. To that end minimising the stupidity of parents upon those of their kids and those surrounding (if little miss cranky is going to disrupt my kid's learning then shove something nutritious down her gob and everybody can get back to business far quicker than punishments are likely to achieve anything like results).
What to do I am less sure of. Garnishing a tax return might work (assuming the people either get them in the first place or are not smart enough to not give the government a zero interest loan each year). Most the things described in that article are rather typically American as well but I will skip that one and giggle inwardly.
 

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Um, I get that you're trying to express the "I ain't a mule!" mindset that has developed over time from being forced to pay taxes, but this little solution of giving kids a peanut butter and jelly sandwich isn't enough. (I hope its just symbolism for something edible and healthy.) But yeah, obviously this mindset won't benefit kids that are allergic to peanuts.
 

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I was very poor as a kid, so I used to eat school lunches/breakfast. The teacher would sometimes stuff the remaining ones in my school bag. I wish my parents could have gave me a nice school lunch, but we were broke most of the time. Those school lunches tasted awful, but I had no choice. The pan cakes, bagged pizza(not box, fuck that stale box pizza), and waffles were delicious though. Also, I hated how they didn't let you choose between chocolate milk and white milk. They just alternated the days. I know if they allowed everyone to choose, they'd probably all choose chocolate. But who cares?! Is it that big of a deal? Don't get me started on strawberry milk. Fucking taste like medicine.

There are a lot of things that piss me off that I have to pay taxes for, school lunches isn't one of them. Because, yeah, I was there, lol.
 
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I think there should still be free lunches but there should be stricter about who they give them to. Giving them to children whose parents can't afford to feed them instead of people who blow their money on flat screen tellys and iphones or people who just want to save a buck.
 
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oh no the horror of sparing a few cents to let starving children eat

please do however give our upstanding prez money to go on excessive trips to the golf course

Yea cause he doesnt get enough money from the government and military who spends their time at his personal resorts on "government business" lol
 
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At my school, lunch is free for all students, regardless of income. Students only have to pay if they want extra food. This is how it was in my elementary/middle school as well. It's odd to me that this isn't the nationwide standard.
You're completely missing the point of the article (which is suggesting free lunch for all students as a national solution for lunch debt) because you'd rather complain about the "liberal utopia" to further your own inane political ideology and hamper real discussion about the issue of lunch debt. Good job.
 
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