Obama releases Birth certificate

[Nathan Drake]

Nixon was screened only when his actions were legitimately the cause of suspicion. Obama has done nothing to raise suspicion except being alive. I have yet to hear a solid, legitimate reason for wanting such personal pieces of information.

You heard plenty, you just refuse to accept any. This doesn't make you "right" by a long shot, this makes you stubborn. You can't deny anyone their rights in a democratic country, and it so happens that the law clearly states requirements that need to be met to become a candidate for presidency and subsequently a president.

Each and every American citizen has every right in the world to know if Obama met said requirements or not, and that is a fact that you cannot argue with. Whether this law is silly or not and whether the requirements are too high or too low is a subject for a different discussion entirely.

As I stated before, from a historical point of view, it wouldn't matter if he was a Martian, seeing that the whole U.S is a massive melting pot anyways.

If I'm stubborn for not accepting bullshit, so be it. All I hear is that it is another's right to completely invade the privacy of another American. It's apparently our right to alienate our president and make him the subject of thorough examination.

Cut the rights bullshit. It has nothing to do with the matters at hand. The only reason this was brought up initially was as a point of contention by Republicans to try to keep Obama out of office. This is just one of those idiotic conspiracies that got ground that others will go to no end to try to justify. Not trying to say Republicans are terrible or anything, but they are some core instigators of this entire conspiracy.

Obama was handed a shit storm, and people try to bitch about what he doesn't do to attempt to get him out of office in anyway possible, even though he has been trying to do what he can to fix the incredible amount of problems that are hurdling America into a third world status.

 

[Jugarina]

Guess I’m still confused. I thought we were all waiting for a Birth Certificate. This is still a “Certificate of Live Birth”. We’ve been told for months, anyone could get a colb and we wanted to see a Birth Certificate. Now, although everyone is picking it apart, it seems no one cares about whether it’s a Birth Certificate. What gives?

Race: African

Silly forgers, nobody in 1961 would have listed someone’s race as “African”. This politically correct term was not used until several decades later. If this was a valid COLB it would have read, “n****” or “Colored”. (Trolls, please note: I am not racist for using the word “n****”. It is a simple matter of fact and history that this term was used during that time period.)

1. Occidental College records – Not released
2. Columbia College records – Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper – “Not available”
4. Harvard College records – Not released
5. Selective Service Registration – Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule – Not available
8. Your Illinois State Senate records – Not available
9. Law practice client list – Not released
10. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate – Not released
11. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth – Not released
12. Record of your baptism – Not available
13. Why your wife, Michelle, can no longer practice law as an attorney? (Insurance Fraud?)
14. Why were you getting “foreign student aid” as a college student?
15. Which country’s “passport” did you have when you visited Pakistan in 1981? Oh and one more thing Mr. President, I can’t seem to find any articles you published as editor of the Harvard Law Review, or as a Professor at the University of Chicago.

 

[Foxi4]

Each and every American citizen has every right in the world to know if Obama met said requirements or not, and that is a fact that you cannot argue with.

They do have a right to know. And guess what they got? Solid evidence that he was born in the United States of America. What more can you ask for than a birth certificate? Do you expect the President to pull a video depicting his birth out of his ass or something? Last time I checked, a legitimate birth certificate is as much evidence as you need to prove your nationality.

 

[BlueStar]

He did meet the requirements. That's how he became president. You think they don't check these things?

If he has then there's nothing he should be afraid or ashamed of, is there?

So he should spend his time concentrating on producing more and more evidence he's eligible, even after passing the eligibility test, even after producing two birth certificates, when no evidence is good enough rather than doing stuff like, you know, running the country? When no other president has had to continue proving his eligibility after passing the test? Even as court challenge after court challenge is laughed out of the court room? Should Bush have spent all his time proving he didn't order 9/11? I mean, I don't agree with people who think he did, but if he had nothing to hide...

 

[Foxi4]

You're constantly mixing the "person" with his "seat". He doesn't have to procure any evidence himself, he has an army of advisors that can issue them to the press. A birth certificate surfaced - good for him. That oughta shut some people up. If it doesn't, they're just being picky and thus laughable.

I was *just* *explaining* *the* *concept* *behind* *screening*. It's lovely how people tag you as ally or enemy in a heated discussion, even when you're not even "involved" in the subject.

 

[twiztidsinz]

take a look at an election map from pre-civil war, and post civil war, 1860 was mostly democrat, 1880 was also mostly democrat. I respectfully disagree with you, sir. It was not Republicans who have put us into the position that we are in now, it was Democrats, who would do anything to stay in power. we all need to look back with out bias, and truely who held power over the years. Congress holds the spending power, not the president.

Are you serious??
Republicans started the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
If the Democrats said no, they would have been labeled weak and possibly treasonous (even though it's not actually treason). They had no choice BUT to agree to the wars.
And the biggest kickers on those two wars is, first, all the no-bid contracts (contracts that were not 'auctioned' off, but simply given out) to the company that Bush Sr. and Dick Cheney had VERY strong ties to [google], and second, all the supplies that went missing or were stolen. We had troops in Iraq being electrocuted by the faulty wiring in the showers [google]. We had troops eating expired food because one of the contractors were proving old and 'damaged' food (food that was shot at and had the bullets removed) [google].


I'm not sure if you can, but try to recall all the rhetoric Bush spewed about our enemies. Being able to point your finger and say "That's our enemy! Let's get 'em!" is a POWERFUL tool... even when it's complete bullshit. Remember all those WMDs in Iraq, where all the terrorist moved to? The ones that no UN Inspectors could find, the ones that all the intelligence said did not exist? The ones Bush said Saddam had and used as a reason to invade a country that had hadn't done anything?
And I'm sure it was just a coincidence that major incidents just so happened to coincide with Bush's approval ratings being in the shitter *wink wink*.

http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
Small note: the 9/11 marker is a little off, clearly it should be pointing to BEFORE the spike, check the dates along the bottom.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

Guess I’m still confused. I thought we were all waiting for a Birth Certificate. This is still a “Certificate of Live Birth”. We’ve been told for months, anyone could get a colb and we wanted to see a Birth Certificate. Now, although everyone is picking it apart, it seems no one cares about whether it’s a Birth Certificate. What gives?

Race: African

Silly forgers, nobody in 1961 would have listed someone’s race as “African”. This politically correct term was not used until several decades later. If this was a valid COLB it would have read, “n****” or “Colored”. (Trolls, please note: I am not racist for using the word “n****”. It is a simple matter of fact and history that this term was used during that time period.)
*snip*

Look...this may apply to black folks that their great great grandfathers were African, but Obama's FATHER was African. The mother (or father) may have taken pride in his national heritage, thus labeled his Nationality as "African" At that time, not many people could claim that either of their parents were 100% African either, so what exactly is the point you are trying to make?

 

[BlueStar]

Guess I’m still confused. I thought we were all waiting for a Birth Certificate. This is still a “Certificate of Live Birth”. We’ve been told for months, anyone could get a colb and we wanted to see a Birth Certificate. Now, although everyone is picking it apart, it seems no one cares about whether it’s a Birth Certificate. What gives?

This is the long form birth certificate, exactly what birthers have been asking for. But feel free to move the goalposts yet again.

Race: African
Silly forgers, nobody in 1961 would have listed someone’s race as “African”. This politically correct term was not used until several decades later. If this was a valid COLB it would have read, “n****” or “Colored”. (Trolls, please note: I am not racist for using the word “n****”. It is a simple matter of fact and history that this term was used during that time period.)

Haha, this is one of the funniest ones. It's quite simply utter bollocks. Even if black Americans were not being called "African / African-American" in the 60s (The term goes back to at least 1855) his father was FROM AFRICA, genius. You don't think this might have led to him being listed differently from some US-born black Americans? You think the scary black socialist conspiracy would forge a birth certificate and not like, check it against another and make an error so basic that some moron on a Nintendo message board can instantly tell it's fake? Really?

1. Occidental College records – Not released
2. Columbia College records – Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper – “Not available”
4. Harvard College records – Not released
5. Selective Service Registration – Not released
6. Medical records — Not released

Did Bush release any of these things? Did he have to go and find all his old pre-school drawings to show he made his way through the education system on his own merit, rather than friends in high places? Or is it just that someone as dusky as Obama couldn't possibly have got into a top university unless he was there through affirmative action or a basketball scholarship?

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13. Why your wife, Michelle, can no longer practice law as an attorney? (Insurance Fraud?)

Oh dear.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

Spoiler

Also, just in case there aren't enough in this thread for you all already...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/top-20-craz...to-obamas-birth

 

[Thesolcity]

HOLY SHIT DAMN REPUBLICANS

This is the most unnecessary piece of controversy ever. Honestly, everybody who questions it needs to shut the fuck up. ACCEPT THE VOTERS DECISION OR LEAVE THE DAMN COUNTRY. Trying to defy the democracy is getting beyond annoying.

*AHEM* Gay marriage, California.
Did they not vote it illegal? Was it not overturned? Democracy doesn't work like that, apparently, as much as most wish it would...

 

[JoostinOnline]

I find if very dumb how Americans are still complaining about this two years after Obama took office. Don't you have anything better to point out about your President? He's got the proof that he's born an American citizen, and the Constitution didn't say anything about dual-citizenship in that regard. Just move on and find something else to complain about.

Why wait 2 years though? It just doesn't make any sense. He could have nipped this in the bud if he had released it during his campaign. I didn't vote for him, but that had nothing to do with the rumors that he wasn't a citizen.

I seriously doubt the document is fake, as he knows so many people will be looking for flaws. So if it's real, why let the rumors continue when you had proof against it all along? The whole thing just seems suspicious, but with nothing to suspect (a weird concept).

 

[MelodieOctavia]

I find if very dumb how Americans are still complaining about this two years after Obama took office. Don't you have anything better to point out about your President? He's got the proof that he's born an American citizen, and the Constitution didn't say anything about dual-citizenship in that regard. Just move on and find something else to complain about.

Why wait 2 years though? It just doesn't make any sense. He could have nipped this in the bud if he had released it during his campaign. I didn't vote for him, but that had nothing to do with the rumors that he wasn't a citizen.

I seriously doubt the document is fake, as he knows so many people will be looking for flaws. So if it's real, why let the rumors continue when you had proof against it all along? The whole thing just seems suspicious, but with nothing to suspect (a weird concept).

He didn't release it because it was no one's fucking business. Once it became a big enough problem, Obama indulged into the public's accusations and curiosity. How hard is this to understand?

 

[BlueStar]

You're constantly mixing the "person" with his "seat". He doesn't have to procure any evidence himself, he has an army of advisors that can issue them to the press.

He has an army of advisors which are already busy doing President stuff. Should he hire another army, on tax-payer funds, to field every nut-job's questions about if he's really a Kenyan, or a Muslim, or a robot?

 

[BlueStar]

I find if very dumb how Americans are still complaining about this two years after Obama took office. Don't you have anything better to point out about your President? He's got the proof that he's born an American citizen, and the Constitution didn't say anything about dual-citizenship in that regard. Just move on and find something else to complain about.

Why wait 2 years though? It just doesn't make any sense. He could have nipped this in the bud if he had released it during his campaign. I didn't vote for him, but that had nothing to do with the rumors that he wasn't a citizen.

I seriously doubt the document is fake, as he knows so many people will be looking for flaws. So if it's real, why let the rumors continue when you had proof against it all along? The whole thing just seems suspicious, but with nothing to suspect (a weird concept).

He didn't release it because it was no one's fucking business. Once it became a big enough problem, Obama indulged into the public's accusations and curiosity. How hard is this to understand?

Or because because it would set a precedent and then he'd have to release all his college papers, and his dental records, and a stool sample from 1982, as we're seeing now.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

I find if very dumb how Americans are still complaining about this two years after Obama took office. Don't you have anything better to point out about your President? He's got the proof that he's born an American citizen, and the Constitution didn't say anything about dual-citizenship in that regard. Just move on and find something else to complain about.

Why wait 2 years though? It just doesn't make any sense. He could have nipped this in the bud if he had released it during his campaign. I didn't vote for him, but that had nothing to do with the rumors that he wasn't a citizen.

I seriously doubt the document is fake, as he knows so many people will be looking for flaws. So if it's real, why let the rumors continue when you had proof against it all along? The whole thing just seems suspicious, but with nothing to suspect (a weird concept).

He didn't release it because it was no one's fucking business. Once it became a big enough problem, Obama indulged into the public's accusations and curiosity. How hard is this to understand?

Or because because it would set a precedent and then he'd have to release all his college papers, and his dental records, and a stool sample from 1982, as we're seeing now.

precedent of what? setting a precedent would mean that the US courts were involved. Obama did this of his own free will...what point are you trying to make?

 

[Thesolcity]

Or because because it would set a precedent and then he'd have to release all his college papers, and his dental records, and a stool sample from 1982, as we're seeing now.

Stool....sample...? From....1982...?

So you're telling me some turd has bested time just to be under the nose of who...?

 

[BlueStar]

I find if very dumb how Americans are still complaining about this two years after Obama took office. Don't you have anything better to point out about your President? He's got the proof that he's born an American citizen, and the Constitution didn't say anything about dual-citizenship in that regard. Just move on and find something else to complain about.

Why wait 2 years though? It just doesn't make any sense. He could have nipped this in the bud if he had released it during his campaign. I didn't vote for him, but that had nothing to do with the rumors that he wasn't a citizen.

I seriously doubt the document is fake, as he knows so many people will be looking for flaws. So if it's real, why let the rumors continue when you had proof against it all along? The whole thing just seems suspicious, but with nothing to suspect (a weird concept).

He didn't release it because it was no one's fucking business. Once it became a big enough problem, Obama indulged into the public's accusations and curiosity. How hard is this to understand?

Or because because it would set a precedent and then he'd have to release all his college papers, and his dental records, and a stool sample from 1982, as we're seeing now.

precedent of what? setting a precedent would mean that the US courts were involved. Obama did this of his own free will...what point are you trying to make?

Not a legal precedent. Second definition
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/precedent

 

[JoostinOnline]

He didn't release it because it was no one's fucking business. Once it became a big enough problem, Obama indulged into the public's accusations and curiosity. How hard is this to understand?Actually, it is the public's right (and business) to know if they are voting for a legal candidate.

QUOTE(BlueStar @ Apr 28 2011, 12:28 AM) Or because because it would set a precedent and then he'd have to release all his college papers, and his dental records, and a stool sample from 1982, as we're seeing now.

That is a good possibility, I hadn't thought about that.

 

[TLSS_N]

take a look at an election map from pre-civil war, and post civil war, 1860 was mostly democrat, 1880 was also mostly democrat. I respectfully disagree with you, sir. It was not Republicans who have put us into the position that we are in now, it was Democrats, who would do anything to stay in power. we all need to look back with out bias, and truely who held power over the years. Congress holds the spending power, not the president.

Are you serious??
Republicans started the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
If the Democrats said no, they would have been labeled weak and possibly treasonous (even though it's not actually treason). They had no choice BUT to agree to the wars.
And the biggest kickers on those two wars is, first, all the no-bid contracts (contracts that were not 'auctioned' off, but simply given out) to the company that Bush Sr. and Dick Cheney had VERY strong ties to [google], and second, all the supplies that went missing or were stolen. We had troops in Iraq being electrocuted by the faulty wiring in the showers [google]. We had troops eating expired food because one of the contractors were proving old and 'damaged' food (food that was shot at and had the bullets removed) [google].


I'm not sure if you can, but try to recall all the rhetoric Bush spewed about our enemies. Being able to point your finger and say "That's our enemy! Let's get 'em!" is a POWERFUL tool... even when it's complete bullshit. Remember all those WMDs in Iraq, where all the terrorist moved to? The ones that no UN Inspectors could find, the ones that all the intelligence said did not exist? The ones Bush said Saddam had and used as a reason to invade a country that had hadn't done anything?
And I'm sure it was just a coincidence that major incidents just so happened to coincide with Bush's approval ratings being in the shitter *wink wink*.

http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
Small note: the 9/11 marker is a little off, clearly it should be pointing to BEFORE the spike, check the dates along the bottom.

Bush was a Texas man, 9/11 happened, three thousand people died! how hard would it have been to kick the radical extremists out of power, drag an oil drill to the mountains where they have been hiding, drill a hole as deep as we can drill. set an atomic bomb at the bottom and remotely detonate it, none of this would have happened. actually force the united nations to get off there rear ends and do something about Iraq, I've posted the videos of what has happened in Iraq. It was a horrible, horrible tragedy. But Bush, relying on a false testimony pushing our soldiers to fight door to door, the politically correct way. when is the last time anyone here has visited freeevan.com?
did there job a little to well, now there held up in the stockade. I've already went over this with blue star, I realize that Bush did the wrong thing, have you seen the pictures of Afghanistan before the radicals took over? BUSH IS GONE, get over it, you can't change what he did, and obama followed the same path. Is it so hard to recognize that he is just as bad as bush, possibly worse? At least Bush didn't play the price is right card, doing what who ever screams the loudest.

Blue Star, how is Egypt going my good man? Last I heard, the brotherhood is working with the army to take power, kind of freaky, amiright?

 

[GreatCrippler]

Certificate of Live Birth is not the same as a Birth Certificate. Every poor sod in the country can show you his birth certificate, but the "Leader of the Free WORLD!" Can't seem to dig his out of the sock drawer. Makes for compelling talk radio, and a lot of fun finger pointing. Meanwhile we have a tanking economy, and record unemployment. Screw the right, and screw the left. Our 2 party system is crap, and anyone who thinks they are on the right side of this argument needs to move on, and stop giving a shit. >.>

 

[MelodieOctavia]

He didn't release it because it was no one's fucking business. Once it became a big enough problem, Obama indulged into the public's accusations and curiosity. How hard is this to understand?Actually, it is the public's right (and business) to know if they are voting for a legal candidate.

QUOTE(BlueStar @ Apr 28 2011, 12:28 AM) Or because because it would set a precedent and then he'd have to release all his college papers, and his dental records, and a stool sample from 1982, as we're seeing now.

That is a good possibility, I hadn't thought about that.

This I (kind of) agree with. Though in what timeliness you get that info isn't yours to decide unless some sort of legal precedent has been set.

Furthermore, Even if the birth certificate were presented the very DAY that Obama had been questioned about his citizenship, people STILL would have been questioning the validity of the document.