Nobody who complains about NFL players taking a knee during the anthem stands up for it at home

[Flame]

going back to the nfl. why dont these players protest and ban other players when it comes to domestic violence and other crimes?

wow. nice. so you are now implying that all blacks do domestic violence and crimes?

 

[Deleted User]

wow. nice. so you are now implying that all blacks do domestic violence and crimes?

please please don't feed him

 

[Don Jon]

i luv it when the word "SJW" is used as an insult
what have we become

 

[kuwanger]

you're right because that's not what I said

What do you think "shoot to kill" means?

I think it's pretty fucking disingenuous to imply that because a quantitative observation is not present there's suddenly no argument. I've never said it would reduce anything by a specific amount, I said it would essentially make people think twice before doing any stupid shit like that. People who don't value their lives won't be stopped by it, no shit.

"deterrent - a thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something." Yep, so me giving out ice cream to stop violent crime is a deterrent. Which is better? My plan or your "shoot to kill" plan? Don't want a quantitative comparison? Gosh, I wonder why people don't want to adopt your plan when you can only back it up with "intent".

You must be a barbarian because you both have one thing in common: you're both illiterate, and that's racist.

I have no idea what you're saying here, but okay, whatever.

 

[MaverickWellington]

What do you think "shoot to kill" means?



"deterrent - a thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something." Yep, so me giving out ice cream to stop violent crime is a deterrent. Which is better? My plan or your "shoot to kill" plan? Don't want a quantitative comparison? Gosh, I wonder why people don't want to adopt your plan when you can only back it up with "intent".



I have no idea what you're saying here, but okay, whatever.

To shoot to kill, duh.

Hahahahhahaha holy fuck you are so mad. Take your meds and chill out before you bust a blood vessel.

That's how I felt reading your third paragraph. Glad we're on the same page.

 

[kuwanger]

To shoot to kill, duh.

A policy of "shoot to kill" means to choose killing over incapacitation. It does not mean to choose killing as a necessity of incapcitation if the situation arises. To place that power upon the police is to put within them the power to try and convict people upon their own judgment and carry out a death sentence. That is barbarism in a system of laws that separates judgment of punishment from that punishment precisely because placing that power in the hands of one person is such a corrupting, corrosive force that it destroys civil society.

But, yea, whatever. Must all be mad because I'm not taking my "meds".

 

[MaverickWellington]

A policy of "shoot to kill" means to choose killing over incapacitation. It does not mean to choose killing as a necessity of incapcitation if the situation arises. To place that power upon the police is to put within them the power to try and convict people upon their own judgment and carry out a death sentence. That is barbarism in a system of laws that separates judgment of punishment from that punishment precisely because placing that power in the hands of one person is such a corrupting, corrosive force that it destroys civil society.

But, yea, whatever. Must all be mad because I'm not taking my "meds".

Let's check your reading comprehension. What situation was I saying justified a shot to kill?

 

[kuwanger]

What situation was I saying justified a shot to kill?

An active shooter. You have decided to place it upon police to judge that a person is an active shooter, that they may then condemn that active shooter to death, and then they should execute that active shooter.

 

[MaverickWellington]

An active shooter. You have decided to place it upon police to judge that person is an active shooter, that they may then condemn that active shooter to death, and then they should execute that active shooter.

And what do you define as an active shooter?
Because it isn't just someone with a gun, it's not some guy saying he owns a gun, or a guy buying a gun, or a guy near a gun, or the myriad of stupid shit you're clearly pretending it is. There is a concise situation, and one situation only: Someone has a gun, and they are firing at other civilians. You went on this massive, incoherent tirade as if I was saying cops should just kill everyone or something equally stupid and that wasn't what I was saying at all.

So yes, you really need to go take your meds before you bust a vessel.

 

[kuwanger]

And what do you define as an active shooter?

The question is, what does the police officer consider to be an active shooter? It is he who is the one who will be executing people. Will you accept his judgment? What will be the punishment when he is wrong? Nothing about how police who current shoot and kill people with less verifiable justification make me believe any policy that codifies "shoot to kill an active shooter" will be used for merely that purpose accurately or necessarily. It is not enough to introduce hypotheticals that under any sort of examination of application are almost certainly to fail miserably not only in their intended effect (a deterrent) but also in their application (only in the scope of active shooters).

If you think that taking meds would in some fashion calm me to be oblivious to this, then I'm sad to tell you I won't take my soma.

 

[gameboy]

you guys act like 'whites' cops eat donuts all day and shoot blacks on site, disregarding that they put their life on the line everyday. not to mention all the crime scenes and disputes and emergencies they have to go through.

in the nfl they kneel for who knows what but wont say something when their QB is a serial rapist or their guy punched out a chick... its why the nfl is dead because very few really care. dont mix politics outside of politics

 

[TotalInsanity4]

you guys act like 'whites' cops eat donuts all day and shoot blacks on site, disregarding that they put their life on the line everyday. not to mention all the crime scenes and disputes and emergencies they have to go through.

in the nfl they kneel for who knows what but wont say something when their QB is a serial rapist or their guy punched out a chick... its why the nfl is dead because very few really care. dont mix politics outside of politics

You know... There are so many other jobs where the people doing them put their life on the line, and somehow they manage not to shoot anyone

And besides, if a police officer's job is to "protect and serve" the community, you can't afford to have their judgement impared by getting tired from crime scenes, disputes, and various emergencies, as you imply. If they can't do what the job demands, they're by definition unfit

 

[gameboy]

You know... There are so many other jobs where the people doing them put their life on the line, and somehow they manage not to shoot anyone

And besides, if a police officer's job is to "protect and serve" the community, you can't afford to have their judgement impared by getting tired from crime scenes, disputes, and various emergencies, as you imply. If they can't do what the job demands, they're by definition unfit

your disregarding all the violent stuff they seen and gone through. they're human being too

 

[Don Jon]

you guys act like 'whites' cops eat donuts all day and shoot blacks on site, disregarding that they put their life on the line everyday. not to mention all the crime scenes and disputes and emergencies they have to go through.

in the nfl they kneel for who knows what but wont say something when their QB is a serial rapist or their guy punched out a chick... its why the nfl is dead because very few really care. dont mix politics outside of politics

this is the problem and this is why they kneel

 

[gameboy]

this is the problem and this is why they kneel

maybe you should tell them why they should kneel because 99.9% of the players dont know why to kneel or refuse to kneel because the pay is too good.

 

[MaverickWellington]

The question is, what does the police officer consider to be an active shooter? It is he who is the one who will be executing people. Will you accept his judgment? What will be the punishment when he is wrong? Nothing about how police who current shoot and kill people with less verifiable justification make me believe any policy that codifies "shoot to kill an active shooter" will be used for merely that purpose accurately or necessarily. It is not enough to introduce hypotheticals that under any sort of examination of application are almost certainly to fail miserably not only in their intended effect (a deterrent) but also in their application (only in the scope of active shooters).

If you think that taking meds would in some fashion calm me to be oblivious to this, then I'm sad to tell you I won't take my soma.

So basically what you're saying is a hypothetical scenario is bad because of something completely unrelated to it: crooked people and corrupt leaders letting their underlings do whatever and get away with it.

Yeah I think I can totally see why you're on meds now.

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maybe you should tell them why they should kneel because 99.9% of the players dont know why to kneel or refuse to kneel because the pay is too good.

Yeah can I just like remind everyone this is the guy who bases his experience with black on black crime on a fucking parody of hood dramas?

 

[gameboy]

So basically what you're saying is a hypothetical scenario is bad because of something completely unrelated to it: crooked people and corrupt leaders letting their underlings do whatever and get away with it.

Yeah I think I can totally see why you're on meds now.

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Yeah can I just like remind everyone this is the guy who bases his experience with black on black crime on a fucking parody of hood dramas?

just because its made into a comedy doesnt make the other 95% of it not based on real behaviors. sure its not as bad today, but if your old enough and saw how the early 90s were you wouldnt say stupid shit

 

[MaverickWellington]

just because its made into a comedy doesnt make the other 95% of it not based on real behaviors. sure its not as bad today, but if your old enough and saw how the early 90s were you wouldnt say stupid shit

But you weren't old enough for the early 00s and all you've said is stupid shit. You're literally basing this shit off a fucking parody that grossly exaggerates reality or flat out lies about it in favor of comedy. I can tell you aren't black, nor that you've ever lived in such a time period, let alone in any ghetto. Check your shit at the front door, champ.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

your disregarding all the violent stuff they seen and gone through. they're human being too

I'm confused as to what your point is. If you're saying that seeing "violent stuff" is a good excuse for shooting unarmed civilians then... No, it objectively isn't. If you're saying that by comparison, shooting someone isn't even the worst part of their job, then... What? Otherwise, it really just looks like you're throwing shit and hoping it looks like an argument

 

[gameboy]

But you weren't old enough for the early 00s and all you've said is stupid shit. You're literally basing this shit off a fucking parody that grossly exaggerates reality or flat out lies about it in favor of comedy. I can tell you aren't black, nor that you've ever lived in such a time period, let alone in any ghetto. Check your shit at the front door, champ.

i remember when this black girl stole my sisters shoes and when my sister tried to take it back the girls moms started yelling at the girl to beat my sisters ass, when that girl didnt, the mom came out and started violently pulling my sisters hair and started hitting here, we all tried to pull the mom off, keep in mind none of us were over 9yr old. then my older brother had his bat and just beat the shit out of this crazed bitch mom, my brother was 6. that wasnt the first time and ir wasnt the last