Nobody who complains about NFL players taking a knee during the anthem stands up for it at home

[TotalInsanity4]

In hostage situations, they should shoot to kill. When there is an active shooter, they should shoot to kill. When someone has literally killed someone, the police should shoot to kill. Period. Shooting to kill is a deterrent. If all they're gonna get is life in a prison it's not going to deter people as much as knowing that if they do some dumb shit like this, they will literally die. See Anders Brevik and the prison cell he's in.

Conversely, reaching for your wallet is NOT a good excuse for an officer to shoot you, even if they think you may be armed, and ESPECIALLY if you've stated you're not reaching for a weapon

 

[gameboy]

Cops shouldn't be shooting to kill. Guilty parties still have a right to due process and a chance to reform.
Even in cases where lethal force is authorized, I would still consider that to be too much power for a person to carry.

its only when the cop is white that causes an uproar. nfl is dead. i try not to push double standards so im leaving this sjw thread

 

[PuNKeMoN]

its only when the cop is white that causes an uproar. nfl is dead. i try not to push double standards so im leaving this sjw thread

Bye. Your weak "contributions" won't be missed.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

its only when the cop is white that causes an uproar. nfl is dead. i try not to push double standards so im leaving this sjw thread

So you're just going to ignore the black cop that shot the white woman, huh

Just gonna completely leave out that everyone was furious about that because it doesn't fit your narrative, I suppose

 

[gameboy]

So you're just going to ignore the black cop that shot the white woman, huh

Just gonna completely leave out that everyone was furious about that because it doesn't fit your narrative, I suppose

blacks dont consider africans 'black'. the somalian cop shot a white woman in 'uptown' a nice neighborhood, and nobody cared

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I never said it was though.

I recognize that, I'm just stating that there's a line that keeps being crossed that for whatever reason always seems to be justified under the same logic you were providing. I agree, I'm just differentiating

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blacks dont consider africans 'black'. the somalian cop shot a white woman in 'uptown' a nice neighborhood, and nobody cared

See my edit, because that's not at all what I was talking about

Nor is that remotely accurate

 

[MaverickWellington]

I recognize that, I'm just stating that there's a line that keeps being crossed that for whatever reason always seems to be justified under the same logic you were providing. I agree, I'm just differentiating

I completely agree then. There are clear cut cases where shooting to kill is justified, but most importantly, necessary. The problem is that we have cops that are too jumpy making rash decisions. There should be something that people could do to meet this half way. Maybe agree to step out of the car at a traffic stop and let them search until the jumpy cops are replaced with actually good ones? I've known both crooked and incredibly upstanding cops in my life, and I know that the upstanding one should not bear the burdens of the shitty crooked ones.

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blacks dont consider africans 'black'. the somalian cop shot a white woman in 'uptown' a nice neighborhood, and nobody cared

Can you leave the "SJW" thread so that we can debate in peace thanks

 

[PuNKeMoN]

I'm glad morally inconsistent people like you don't make laws.

Can you please explain how have inconsistent morals?

 

[gameboy]

"SJW thread"
man shut the fuck up, you're not even 16 at the most

im a millenial and ive seen my fair share of crazy ghetto violence. gbatemp isnt a place i can show prof and whatnot, so yea im leaving this SJW thread

 

[Deleted member 377734]

The title of this thread is the truest shit I ever saw.

 

[MaverickWellington]

Can you please explain how have consistent morals?

No, because you don't.

 

[the_randomizer]

If a gunman is in a school, or other public location, killing people systematically, they have no right to trial or jury, and should be killed by police (or a responsible gun owner) on the spot. These people are not innocent, are are subhuman troglodytes worthy of death. Fair trial my ass, especially if they plea for insanity.

 

[MaverickWellington]

im a millenial and ive seen my fair share of crazy ghetto violence. gbatemp isnt a place i can show prof and whatnot, so yea im leaving this SJW thread

You're a kid and are trying to pipe up on something you've only seen in movies, while citing a parody of other dramas like they're factual. You can leave whenever you want, no one cared that you were here to begin with.

 

[gameboy]

You're a kid and are trying to pipe up on something you've only seen in movies, while citing a parody of other dramas like they're factual. You can leave whenever you want, no one cared that you were here to begin with.

kids dont know what 'dont be a menace' is

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I completely agree then. There are clear cut cases where shooting to kill is justified, but most importantly, necessary. The problem is that we have cops that are too jumpy making rash decisions. There should be something that people could do to meet this half way. Maybe agree to step out of the car at a traffic stop and let them search until the jumpy cops are replaced with actually good ones? I've known both crooked and incredibly upstanding cops in my life, and I know that the upstanding one should not bear the burdens of the shitty crooked ones.

I disagree, I don't feel as though there's ever an instance where a civilian should be asked to exit their vehicle in a routine traffic stop, and it is well within their right to stay in the vehicle, especially if the purpose is to dial 911 to make sure there is a record of the interaction and to confirm that there is an officer dispatched in your location (malicious fake police officers and/or off-duty cops are, sadly, a legitimate threat)

Again, it comes down to how officers react to a scenario. I understand that they need to be trained to have lightning reflexes, but deescalation also needs to be a crucial part of training, and there DEFINITELY needs to be better vetting of personality type

 

[PuNKeMoN]

If a gunman is in a school, or other public location, killing people systematically, they have no right to trial or jury, and should be killed by police (or a responsible gun owner) on the spot. These people are not innocent, are are subhuman troglodytes worthy of death. Fair trial my ass, especially if they plea for insanity.

Killing someone on the spot, no matter how obviously guilty, denies them their rights. Even if they are killing people and thus robbing them of their right to live.

It would be an open and shut case. Send them to the electric chair, gas chamber, lethal injection, gallows, hell I don't care how the execution is handled as long as they are still granted their right to a trial.

 

[the_randomizer]

Yeah man how the fuck are you gonna reform someone who takes like 6+ lives because he just felt like it? Even if he does learn to regret what he's done there's no bringing them back. He has no right to live. You can decide it among 1 or 12 people, but leave that shit in the courtroom. In an active shooting, the best, immediate response, is to shoot to kill, because you're a target too. Not only is everyone else's life on the line, but yours is too, and you have to defend yourself if you're capable.

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Can you leave and stop pretending you're relevant

They broke the law, they killed innocent people in plain sight, in broad daylight, there are almost always witnesses. How on earth do they have a fair trial? I don't care if they are "insane", if they are competent enough to buy a gun, buy ammo, and then decide one day to shoot people, they are neither innocent nor insane. That's just their own pussy way to get out of going to prison, just shoot the gunman point blank in the head.

 

[kuwanger]

No, fuck you. If someone shoots up a school and is actively shooting at teachers and students you have to shoot to kill. It's a deterrent. If you're able to restrain, great! But if you can't, shoot to kill. Simple as that.

Shooting to kill is shooting to miss; specific aiming instead of aiming for center mass means you're more likely to fail. Shooting to incapacitate has non-negligible odds of also being a death sentence; it's why shooting people in general is bad. If you don't think spending the rest of your life in jail is a deterrent, which it clearly isn't for some people, what makes you think shooting to kill is some sort of more meaningful deterrent? You've heard of "suicide by cop", right? You've heard of war, right? Clearly people make a choice to do things that risk or even motivate their own death.

I understand your anger. I understand that you want people who are monsters to suffer. But being a monster to monsters doesn't solve anything. If it did, our rule of law would be heading towards barbarism and the crime rates would go down. I don't mean that figuratively. That sort of system would be abused, like all systems are, and the result upon the innocent would be as that done by criminals today.

 

[MaverickWellington]

I disagree, I don't feel as though there's ever an instance where a civilian should be asked to exit their vehicle in a routine traffic stop, and it is well within their right to stay in the vehicle, especially if the purpose is to dial 911 to make sure there is a record of the interaction and to confirm that there is an officer dispatched in your location (malicious fake police officers and/or off-duty cops are, sadly, a legitimate threat)

Again, it comes down to how officers react to a scenario. I understand that they need to be trained to have lightning reflexes, but deescalation also needs to be a crucial part of training, and there DEFINITELY needs to be better vetting of personality type

And I totally understand the officers are the problem. The point I'm making is that until the jumpy, unfit officers are removed from the equation, a way needs to be determined to stay safe in these scenarios, and I think the best way is to stand out of your car so it's clear where your hands are, and what you're reaching for.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Killing someone on the spot, no matter how obviously guilty, denies them their rights. Even if they are killing people and thus robbing them of their right to live.

It would be an open and shut case. Send them to the electric chair, gas chamber, lethal injection, gallows, hell I don't care how the execution is handled as long as they are still granted their right to a trial.

No, he's right. If someone is indeed posing an active threat, the best and most humane response is to eliminate said threat