Nobody who complains about NFL players taking a knee during the anthem stands up for it at home

[kuwanger]

So if you believe Cops are Racist against and Oppressing Blacks, then you also have to accept they are Sexist and Oppressing Men, and accept that Male Oppression in society is systemic. If you don't you are contradicting yourself.

I do. Male oppression in society is systemic. Male support in society is also systemic. They don't cancel out. Police brutality is wrong, period.

 

[PuNKeMoN]

Literally no one is saying you're legally obligated to. Instead of flipping shit about dumbshit, punk, you should read what they're saying.

Right. I'm aware of that and I have been reading to comprehend.

However, the situation at hand, where players are being penalized and reprimanded for a simple harmless act in opposition to a tradition which we have established participation is not required is the issue we cannot lose sight of.

Coerced "patriotism" is not "patriotism" in the least.

 

[MaverickWellington]

Right. I'm aware of that and I have been reading to comprehend.

However, the situation at hand, where players are being penalized and reprimanded for a simple harmless act which we have established is not required is the issue we cannot lose sight of.

Coerced "patriotism" is not "patriotism" in the least.

I don't have any investment in the debate either way, I think it's stupid to penalize them for it. I just think the argument you opened with is like, frankly, really fucking retarded. You keep shooting yourself in the foot by turning this into some rage against the machine kind of shit.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I feel they could protest in a better forum, instead of disrespecting the flag.

Believe it or not the flag is just a piece of cloth. And besides, anyone who wears shirts with the flag on it, uses beach towels that look like the flag, eat with napkins with flag imagery printed on it, etc., are disrespecting it far more than anyone refusing to stand for the anthem

 

[PuNKeMoN]

I don't have any investment in the debate either way, I think it's stupid to penalize them for it. I just think the argument you opened with is like, frankly, really fucking retarded. You keep shooting yourself in the foot by turning this into some rage against the machine kind of shit.

Dude. My argument may be retarded possibly because the whole scenario is retarded to begin with.
People have the right to an opinion.
People have the right to protest.
People have the right to a fair trial.
People have the right to not be killed by cops.
People have the no right to infringe on any of the above stated rights.

My speech may not be as elegant as that of Zach De La Rocha and for that I apologize. But this is some Rage Against the Machine shit.
The fines and penalties the protesters face are unconstitutional and should be recognized as such. I'm not attempting to change anyone's mind, just trying to open their eyes to a form of oppression they may not see.

 

[slaphappygamer]

I usually worry about what me and my family are doing, rather than trying to make sense of what other people (who I don’t even know) are doing. I go less crazy that way. Want to take a knee, take a knee. If you want to shoot up at a bus stop, I’ll probably call the police. Want to collect guns, go ahead (in your legal fashion). Want to hit me, I hit you. We can’t control the actions of others only our own.

 

[MaverickWellington]

Dude. My argument may be retarded possibly because the whole scenario is retarded to begin with.
People have the right to an opinion.
People have the right to protest.
People have the right to a fair trial.
People have the right to not be killed by cops.
People have the no right to infringe on any of the above stated rights.

My speech may not be as elegant as that of Zach De La Rocha and for that I apologize. But this is some Rage Against the Machine shit.
The fines and penalties the protesters face are unconstitutional and should be recognized as such. I'm not attempting to change anyone's mind, just trying to open their eyes to a form of oppression they may not see.

"I'm not attempting to change anyone's mind, just trying to change their minds"
Like instead of clearly copying and pasting a line, and then lying about your intentions just be honest about it dude. You see it as an injustice, and that more people should be angry about this. There's way better ways to go about this but really all you're doing by acting like this is making your position seem like it's that of an angry, whiny teenager than someone legitimately concerned about liberty.

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[PuNKeMoN]

Believe it or not the flag is just a piece of cloth. And besides, anyone who wears shirts with the flag on it, uses beach towels that look like the flag, eat with napkins with flag imagery printed on it, etc., are disrespecting it far more than anyone refusing to stand for the anthem

This post made me think of this meme and I feel like the irony made it too good to pass up

 

[MaverickWellington]

Believe it or not the flag is just a piece of cloth. And besides, anyone who wears shirts with the flag on it, uses beach towels that look like the flag, eat with napkins with flag imagery printed on it, etc., are disrespecting it far more than anyone refusing to stand for the anthem

This is wrong. The flag itself is a symbol of a nation. The flag was specifically designed to be symbolic of our nation and our ideals. To say it's just a cloth is like saying this is just "land" so anything critical to the foundation of the USA -- our rights, freedoms, etc -- has no value. This is incredibly disingenuous. While I don't believe that the flag should be worshiped, I don't thinks it's meaning and symbolism should ever be ignored.

 

[Glyptofane]

Racist white people are a plague tbh
But you know, they should keep their opinions to themselves rather than killing everyone they hate
that's just senseless

Well, sure, but this almost never happens. There are no wild packs of Neo Nazis running around killing people.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

"I'm not attempting to change anyone's mind, just trying to change their minds"
Like instead of clearly copying and pasting a line, and then lying about your intentions just be honest about it dude. You see it as an injustice, and that more people should be angry about this. There's way better ways to go about this but really all you're doing by acting like this is making your position seem like it's that of an angry, whiny teenager than someone legitimately concerned about liberty.

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I was waiting on the mentally ill "MUH JOOZ" clowns to come. Not surprised it was you in particular.

Something tells me that rather than saying "not attempting to", @PuNKeMoN meant to say "expecting to". I agree with him for the most part but his message is definitely jumbled

Also I'd remove that quote and just "@" xpoverzion, given that his post is DEFINITELY going to come down and that way you can save your own

 

[gameboy]

black on black crime is through the roof. black crimes on others is high too. its a culture that cant be fixed. nfl lost half its viewers because people dont want politics to mix with sports

 

[MaverickWellington]

Something tells me that rather than saying "not attempting to", @PuNKeMoN meant to say "expecting to". I agree with him for the most part but his message is definitely jumbled

Also I'd remove that quote and just "@" xpoverzion, given that his post is DEFINITELY going to come down and that way you can save your own

I doubt it, his other anti-semetic posts have stayed up just fine despite reporting him for it. I'll edit my post to reflect what he said was removed and link an archive of it.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Well, sure, but this almost never happens. There are no wild packs of Neo Nazis running around killing people.

http://www.newsweek.com/outspoken-n...girlfriends-parents-after-they-ordered-758237

 

[SG854]

cause men tend to see women as less of a physical threat than men.

Why were Black Men seen as a physical threat in the first place?

Then doesn't that mean they are then Sexist against Men because they see Men more of a threat than Women, which then leads to innocent Males dying.
Just like how Slave Owners thought of Blacks as inherently evil which justified their murder of Black people.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

black on black crime is through the roof. black crimes on others is high too. its a culture that cant be fixed. nfl lost half its viewers because people dont want politics to mix with sports

Why is everyone so obsessed with "black on black crime"

Like I've literally only ever seen it as a way to shut down other, more valid arguments

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This is wrong. The flag itself is a symbol of a nation. The flag was specifically designed to be symbolic of our nation and our ideals. To say it's just a cloth is like saying this is just "land" so anything critical to the foundation of the USA -- our rights, freedoms, etc -- has no value. This is incredibly disingenuous. While I don't believe that the flag should be worshiped, I don't thinks it's meaning and symbolism should ever be ignored.

It is indeed symbolic, but to treat it physically as though it is more important than a human being is objectively wrong

 

[MaverickWellington]

Why is everyone so obsessed with "black on black crime"

Like I've literally only ever seen it as a way to shut down other, more valid arguments

That's specifically why. Every time I see it mentioned it's just to go "ok you're against police violence but why aren't you against black on black violence tooo??????" even though shittons of rap artists have come out to condemn both, especially gang violence. Tupac comes to mind as the most prevalent one.

 

[Don Jon]

Standing for the Jewnited states of Jewmerica's national anthem is something I won't do either. Maybe someday when America becomes an independent, and sovereign nation again, I might stand for it then. For now, the flag represents Israels nefarious agendas in the middle east, and the nefarious agendas of it's diaspora around the globe.

so a Nazi flag is better for you?

 

[gameboy]

Why is everyone so obsessed with "black on black crime"

Like I've literally only ever seen it as a way to shut down other, more valid arguments

black on black crime is the root of the cause but people try to brush that aside. black on asian crime is very high too, along with black on whites, black on green, black on rainbow, you name it and its true. people try to brush off the facts because victimization is more popular nowadays.

 

[PuNKeMoN]

"I'm not attempting to change anyone's mind, just trying to change their minds"
Like instead of clearly copying and pasting a line, and then lying about your intentions just be honest about it dude. You see it as an injustice, and that more people should be angry about this. There's way better ways to go about this but really all you're doing by acting like this is making your position seem like it's that of an angry, whiny teenager than someone legitimately concerned about liberty

So now you call me a liar and comparing my position to that of a whiney teenager. A feeble attempt to attack my character at best.

People develop their own opinion based on evidence.
I merely called out hypocrisy and exposed infringement of constitutional rights. Up to the people what they do with that information.

Despite not having "any investment in this debate" you sure are posting a lot.
My opinion of you based on evidence is that I don't need to waste any more time with you.